SLR vision and logic

eos666

all i want SLR to be is a good portal/aggregator of VR porn releases from as many sources as possible, all in one place. nothing else.
i dont need anything else, just as much good content as you can get on the platform.

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That's @doublevr's speech for joining the World Economic Forum or WEF. That's essentially what they were all saying in the lectures I heard. We're no longer human, we're existential digital beings.

For now just focus on good film-making (great job Alex Nashe) and a decent story and casting. Right now, in my opinion, SLR is wanting in narrative quality. Every scene, or at least too many of them, concern kinky family sex fantasies. You heard it here first: I've heard rumors that certain credit companies might be blocking the sale of that next, so spend your time and money on better narratives!

I think you should keep the original files option up to 30 or 40 GB. Anything larger than that should be divided in half, with the halves released separately.

Haptics are a little far down the line, though the devices one day may be extremely profitable for the niche group that wants that experience.

argyle43

[deleted] I think you should keep the original files option up to 30 or 40 GB. Anything larger than that should be divided in half, with the halves released separately.

I hate multi-part releases. Hate them!! Proper bitrate encoding as already mentioned could easily create a sweet spot download size while maintaining perfectly acceptable view quality. Streaming customers don’t then have to have their experience interrupted and be frustrated waiting to get to the climactic parts. I pray this suggestion is summarily ignored/rejected and the logical arguments made by others above (see SchnuppiLilac) about download files be properly reconsidered!

Any others feeling passionately about this (I know a lot of you are out there) please speak up as well, we really don’t need this lunacy ruining content around here further.

g2kbuffetboy

[deleted] I think you should keep the original files option up to 30 or 40 GB. Anything larger than that should be divided in half, with the halves released separately.

Hard disagree on this one. Multi-part releases should be avoided as a whole, unless each episode is a full scene and part of a narrative series, and NOT because of file size. Not only will you have a partial scene on release day, you'll have to wait for a few days to see the end of the scene. People will have to buy two scripts, it will take up two releases, but more importantly the experience of the scene itself will feel disjointed and not as immersive.

If this year's AVN winner Dream Team, by Nash, was split into two scenes, how would that even work? Also, on the SLR metrics side, it wouldn't have been the most popular video on SLR (as announced at the end of the year), due to splitting of the likes and view counts, it will split comments and feedback into two separate threads, and it will be difficult to see the scene as a single entity.

LordCrash

[deleted] Right now, in my opinion, SLR is wanting in narrative quality.

Hard reality: There is no good storytelling in VR porn today, neither on SLR nor somewhere else.

It's because you simply can't create a good storyline without basic human interaction like speaking. Yeah, I know, it's revolutionary for some, but basic human interaction involves verbal communication from everyone involved, it's not a one sided affair...

[deleted] Every scene, or at least too many of them, concern kinky family sex fantasies.

What the heck are you smoking? I want some of that too... 🤣

That's just false information though. Almost all VR porn is just some goofy girl friend experience and only a tiny fraction involves faux family porn. It's a bit different in 2D porn (the porn universe in which some storytelling actually exists...) but imho the faux family stuff is still better than the old "pizza-guy", "massage-guy", "repair-guy" cliches we've seen over and over again in the past...

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petermc pie in the sky

Thanks for that! Don't think of an Elephant! See how my username has infected your thinking 😉

petermc

[deleted] ha ha yes, a few hours after making my comment, I was scrolling through stuff and saw your username and chuckled to myself! Maybe you were subliminally in my mind!

petermc

Agree about avoiding multi part releases. I personally like to have best possible version of a scene so I like that they have the original versions on here, whatever the file size may be. I don’t download anywhere near as much as a lot of you guys though so that’s probably why. I’ve still almost filled 9TB but I really only download stuff that I’ve checked out and absolutely love.

I assume the version of the scene they make available for streaming is a significantly smaller file size so surely it would be easy to make that file available for download as well as the huge original file?

toreador

I'm not sure what file size we're talking about with these originals (I'm fine with 10-15GB, but it sounds like we're talking about something crazy large?), but I will say one thing very clearly.

No sensible download options = no subscription from me.

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g2kbuffetboy original files option up to 30 or 40 GB

Just to clarify, I am not advising that the films be cut haphazardly at some random point. I'm saying that a well devised scene that requires 1 hour or more of VR content, and would be a massive download in one part, suggests the need for a little experimental revision.

Certain positions from these massive films could be included in longer BTS supplements to the main film. So, you have your main film with its story and all those elements...

Then, you have a "Making of" component, or something like that, which would include a little interview, maybe a body tour or something kinky, and the other positions from the main film.

This way the current resources of SLR might be streamlined more effectively: You have great editors, a solid film crew, but the current offerings aren't as strong in narrative as the earlier films (which is, in part, a consequence of the massive production schedule currently undertaken).

Many companies adopt a policy like this over time. Take the infamous GDP, with their feature films, BTS, and GDT eps. BackroomCastingCouch has been experimenting with BTS eps.

I think this is a solid option to provide better content for most users (who have the hard limit of 20 GB for direct Android upload -- to their devices -- and also want the option to download content, in addition to streaming).

@g2kbuffetboy Dude, know your porn. Dream Team was split in two parts. Just search for it. There's a "sneak preview" that is an excellent film in and of itself. I highly recommend it: they should do more work with John Strong, 'cause that guy has stamina!

doublevr

20 releases a month we are heading to speaks for itself.

The quality is only going up as we work with multiple production teams. Each has it's own style and is greatly motivated working for us.

Also you can enjoy multiple compilations and PMV for our content

bobbytables

doublevr nobody asked for 20 releases a month. I'd imagine a majority would be fine with 10 releases a month if it means you return to higher quality. When you were at your peak of quality and user happiness nobody was saying "PLEASE PLEASE, REDUCE YOUR QUALITY AND PUMP OUT LOW-QUALITY LOW-EFFORT VIDEOS".

rerun119

doublevr Why does "as we work with multiple production teams." mean "The quality is only going up"?
How does that make the quality better? That only means more videos. That seems to be everybody complaint. The quality is going down a lot.
Do you not see what everybody is writing day after day after day. No one is saying we want more sub-par videos. We have tons of then on here. I can watch shitty porn anywhere. Millions of scenes are shitty. What did make you different was for a time Nash made the best VR videos the world had ever seen. Thus SLR was known as the best VR video maker. That is when I became a fan. I don't see anybody selling up SLR for having out of scale euro teams or censored JAV videos (there are already a lot of great JAV teams from japan making great videos on here, why would 3 more videos make a difference if they aren't great)
No one cares about thousands of average videos. We are saying over and over that we want great quality videos period. Why is that SO HARD to understand. That is where your time and money should be spent. But all you ever talk about is the future of VR and what you are spending your time on.

Will65

doublevr 20 releases a month doesn't mean anything when the majority of them are SLR Trans, SLR Passthrough, SLR JAV, SLR Grannies, SLR Midgets, SLR Amputees, etc. All this expansion into other genres and experimental stuff should not count as Originals releases.

doublevr

bobbytables Please link me to what you consider low quality. We can settle on all recent EU scenes.

bobbytables

doublevr https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/raw-taboo-unusual-trio-31812 for example. horrible lighting and color grade and acting and positions and camera placement.

doublevr

rerun119 highest quality VR is in our blood. Producing 4-5 videos is easy for each team.

If you point out specific issues with particular scenes we can work on that. I specifically talked with every team if there is anything we can level up to get better production. Nothing major was coming to mind

Otherwise all the data show we are doing things right. There a huge increase in watchtime.

rerun119

doublevr I would love to tell you all the differences if I had a day to write it all down and I thought that someone would actually agree to consider it.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think that these are the same quality from (don't know the date anymore) 2 years ago
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/gfe-true-love-22291
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/make-plays-not-grades-22137
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/pleasure-trip-22233

As these from last month? Both are 3 videos out of 6 in that period of time.
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/multicam-on-the-casting-couch-31029
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/are-you-ready-to-suffer-28940
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/wam-she-came-in-space-starring-brooke-johnson-30447

Or these 3 in a row
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/baby-ive-been-shopping-31763
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/your-girlfriend-experience-31774
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/coworker-skips-date-for-you-31811

Do they all look like the same kind of videos to you? This is what "Producing 4-5 videos is easy for each team." looks like on my end of SLR. Maybe you think they are great.

PS. I didn't even bring up green videos that I can't watch with my Pimax if I wanted to.

spacepirate

doublevr If you point out specific issues with particular scenes we can work on that. I specifically talked with every team if there is anything we can level up to get better production. Nothing major was coming to mind

asking your producers to critique their own work is how you decide what needs improving? no wonder some of them keep producing mediocre to poor scenes with sub-optimal camera placement, bad scaling, boring locations and other issues. even nash's historically stellar scenes have taken a noticable decline since the return to 6k. worst of all it appears that nobody at slr has noticed or nobody at slr cares.

petermc

doublevr wait so this “landmark production call” consisted of

“are there any ideas about anything we change in order to improve?”

“No”

“Ok, carry on as you were”

LordCrash

doublevr
I appreciate that you took the time to write that down but there's sadly nothing in there that really peaks my interest. Shooting interesting and technically solid VR videos is somehow the basic requirement for every VR porn site so I don't think that there's something special about it.

What happened to super high-quality 2d versions for every SLRO scene? IIRC that was on your vision last year and I was really looking forward to that...

bobbytables

LordCrash there are some decent storylines coming out of POVR, not the best but decent enough. The Alyx Star genie one for example has at least a decent build up

Mutiny

LordCrash Hard reality: There is no good storytelling in VR porn today, neither on SLR nor somewhere else.

It's because you simply can't create a good storyline without basic human interaction like speaking.

Brother, it is my personal mission — my purpose for being on this planet — to figure out how to get this right. One-sided dialog can only ever take you so far.

Today's immersive, "it's-happening-to-me" POV is a game changing development for sure. It's up there with adding sound to picture in the early days of the "talkies". We live in the goddamn future and everything is amazing! But it's beginning to feel like we arrived there and just....stopped. We forgot to be curious.

Part of the solve for this, I think, is to untether ourselves from the idea that VR porn must be POV. Thousands of years of human erotica has involved watching other people have sex, and to think that we've somehow evolved past that is foolishness.

I know a lot of people say they don't like non-POV, and my theory is that's mostly because they just haven't seen it done well. My background is in film production and live theatre production and what excites me most about VR is this is a medium where those two things overlap to create something new. And the rules of just one don't apply. We get to discover a whole new visual language combining 120 years of cinema-craft and 2000 years of theatre-craft into a whole new thing, the surface of which we've just begun to scratch.

Holy shit that's amazing, right?!?

I'm thrilled to be joining SLR as a producer, and let me tell you, my goal isn't to churn out a shittier version of what Nash, VRF, etc already do well. I adore those cats and I'm honored to be working along side them.

But @doublevr has directed me to experiment, explore, innovate, and generally chase down crazy ideas. I'll play with visuals, with storytelling, with color and sound and light and texture and editing and all kinds of other crazy shit.

I won't get them all right, but I promise everyone this: If I'm asking for your time, I'll do my very best to earn it. I'll work my ass off to entertain the hell out of you motherfuckers* because I love the work and I love you all, too.
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*Note from legal: please add "step-", for compliance reasons

petermc

LordCrash hey, I’d still take all those cheesy porn staples like poolboy, pizza delivery boy, cable guy etc over the whole fuck your own girlfriend with no story scenes.

LordCrash

bobbytables I'd call it "somewhat tolerable" rather than "good" but there are obviously some scnes with a better effort than others. Still tilting against windmills...

Polar

Mutiny Sugarmotherfuckers would also be acceptable.

bobbytables

Mutiny this is the biggest and most concerning statement for you taking on production. I now have extremely low expectations for your products. Thinking people don't like non-pov because "it hasn't been done right" isn't a thing, people don't like non-pov because they like being in the position of immersion and the amount of people who like being immersively cucked are far fewer than the amount that like being immersed in fucking a hot pornstar. I will absolutely be avoiding all of your work moving forward.

chazzyfizzay

Mutiny I’m very excited to see your work! 🙂

rerun119

Mutiny First off I really like your PMV. They are next level editing, amazing work. So I think you can make some really cool stuff.
I do hope that doesn't just mean lazer guns and and special effects in every video. That is not what makes a believable video to me. Story telling is what makes it believable. Like maybe picking up a girl at the bar then going to get something to eat at a late night dive restaurant where she is grabbing your cock under the table. A lot of us have had stuff like that happen to us IRL. I know this means moving the camera a couple of times and it takes time but that is what would make SLR better than anyone else. I still believe if you did these things then people will see them as amazing and the numbers would be huge.

Wankzvr did an epic video at a restaurant that they didn't even have to move the camera.
https://www.wankzvr.com/wankzvr/blind-date-4400975

Imagine this but better over and over, damn that would be crazy. I don't know why they did it once then never again.

Also Taboo VR Porn has talking in the first part of the scenes. I really like it cause you can build the story a lot easier when the guy (me) talks back. I'm sure some people don't like it but for me it really works great. Plus it's POV which is a lot better than just watching a guy talk that is supposed to be me but im watching which makes no sense.

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