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There's this recurring theme in multiple forums threads that I find very annoying:

  • Announcement is made
  • Some users make constructive comments
  • Some users shit on the announcement: it's not enough, too late, too expensive

I find that really disheartening because it turns what could have been a good conversation into a shit show.

  1. SLR is a business, its purpose is to make money. Services like Drive are what's called a "moat", it secures a competitive advantage while unlocking new revenue streams. They get to keep that moat until someone can offer a passthrough AI and script AI software for cheaper (or free). AFAIK, there's no competition yet.
  2. SLR Drive has included costs: R&D, operations, storage and compute. Therefore there's an optimum to be found between cost and revenue. Van Westendorp's Price Sensitivity Meter is a good way to price things: what price would be too cheap, cheap, acceptable, expensive, too expensive to consider?
  3. Product vision: what's the purpose of the product and how to shape it? Generate revenue, benefits, acquire new users, retain existing customers, etc?

In my case, given the state of things, I'm only interested in the scripting AI functionality, cloud storage is a nice feature but I could do without and I will not use passthrough AI. Maybe hyper and SLR sextoy may change things.

I'm very much looking forward to the SLR Drive feature, and I can't wait to try Script AI. I already have a lifetime subscription, and I would realistically use drive to script a couple dozens of videos. Within two years, that would result in about $15/video to get an AI script, which does seem on the pricey side, but provides a service that no one else does.
Options to download AI generated script, delete old videos and upload new ones would provide value that would make the service worth it.

@Kieshi @doublevr @xoxo I'm still waiting for a resolution to the scene I spent a credit on that did not get processed correctly. https://www.sexlikereal.com/drive/scene/id/67656ee985eb280359736e8c

I've done as instructed and posted the link in other threads, but I have not heard back on it. I've asked for updates here and in other threads but I've not gotten a response (mostly writing that off due to the holidays). However, I'd like to know if the scene will get reprocessed or not. If, so, when and if not, will I get a credit back? I would like to know how similar situations will be addressed in the future before I decide to invest more money into this new feature.

I tried to valuate and quantify the proposed benefits to compare with the proposed Drive price. An almost wholly subjective and most frequently arbitrary analysis follows.

To encourage streaming, SLR has proposed a $9.99 charge for downloading an AI PT. Divide that by an arbitrary metric of 3 years to indicate the difference between owning and renting for a month gets you a value of $.28 per AI PT scene per month.

No price has been proposed for downloading Drive AI funscripts. My general conclusion is that the price will be similarly high to encourage streaming. Its worthwhile to consider that Drive scripts will be partially equivalent to commissioned scripts -- both involve the buyer's choice in scenes and both have a limited buyer population with which to spread cost/profit. That would lean towards an inflated price. On the other hand, there is the impact of prejudice against AI-generated content to bring that price down. On top of that you have the own versus rent calculation. Disregarding the further array of potential variables lands me at an incredibly arbitrary $.50 per AI script per month.

The storage by itself has no use for me, but, as an enabler for the AI services, there is a value associated with more space. 30 credits with 30 GB would be unusable. My personal view is that you need about 10 GB per credit (20 GB average video size with 2 credits used per video). That means a 30 credit allotment would need at least 300 GB. How much is a 67% increase to 500 GB in storage worth? No idea, so I'll value it at an arbitrary 33.5% markup.

15 credits used on AI PT X $.28 = $4.20
15 credits used on AT scripts X $.50 = $7.50
$11.70 + 33.5% storage upgrade = $15.62

So my wildly arbitrary valuations come pretty damn close to the proposed $14.99.

    What is a good guideline for choosing a video for the Drive Ai Passthrough for best results.
    Before uploading... Excited to do it by end of December.

    All I can guess is a contrast between the primary model and the background and that's about it.
    Models with different colors of skin against what background?
    Most successful background color palettes of the videos in general?
    Can you share these similar general guidelines with other answers with the members on the actual drive page, with a FAQ there?
    Minimum frame size/resolution? Is there one or does this depend on the content quality of the video?
    I read the blog posts trying to find this type of information.

    A little advanced now, also specifically I'd love to join some much shorter films together first, if that's possible on a Mac, like to concatenate them? Why not have a queue available for Drive to add shorter films to, and the Drive Upload can put them together nicely for us?
    I'm kind of a newbie besides watching, downloading, transferring to headset.

    fuccaneer
    Uh, nevermind. I realized after the fact that basing a valuation of AI PT on a deliberately inflated price was not a good approach.

    This rabbit hole got deep. I give up.

      doublevr

      I have my two Drive AI PT credits used and I am pleased. I am ready to sign up for $15/month for the 500GB and 30 PT AIs. Let's just get this done with, who do I send my money to? Take it!

        the AI generation pricing is fine, but $10 for an offline render is so ridiculous that I just learned to do it on my own with Davinci + magicmask lol. there aren't that many scenes from other sites that I want PT for to justify another monthly sub just to store those scenes

          lolitovtb I thought that was more like the non-subscription per video cost. It would be awesome if we could download the videos with AI PT from the 30/month payment plan.

              doublevr Scripts AI is coming soon, initially supporting streaming only for Handy devices.

              @doublevr
              Will AI scripts for Drive videos be downloadable?
              Can Premium Scripts subscribers use their 3 AI script monthly allotment on Drive AI scripts?
              Thanks

                  Congratulations to the SLR team, I uploaded my videos and they worked perfectly. I hope all of this will be in production soon.

                  My opinion:

                  • I only use AI PT, I wish the processed videos could be downloaded, $9.99/video is a price I would gladly pay (I don't know anything about video editing, but I have enough local storage)
                  • I don't like recurring payments. I would prefer a lifetime payment for storage.

                  Thank you very much for making this technology available to us. 🙂

                  adinihsan thatoculusdude Earlier this year, before I even heard about SLR drive, I tried both RunwayML (paid version) and Da Vinci Resolve Magic Mask to create passthrough videos myself. While it's possible to do so with these apps, it's very impractical for any large scale conversion.
                  For RunwayML you need to downscale the video, upload it, create the green screen, download the green screen / masked video, upscale the mask back to the original resolution and overlay it onto the original video (using ffmpeg). Basically, it's too time consuming to do all of these steps.
                  For Da Vinci Resolve, the AI Magic Mask tracking can be finnicky with VR and too much manual input is required to make necessary corrections. Also very time consuming as well.
                  Realistically, for a large scale conversion I'm guessing you'd have to use AI models like Meta SAM2 (Segment Anything Model) in combination with YOLO model (You Only Look Once) for object detection but I never explored that fully. It would require a lot of coding and VR-specific AI model training to create a pipeline for large scale conversion with these models. I'm guessing nobody at the moment is willing to code such a thing for free.
                  Not to mention, if you don't have enough GPU processing for your needs, you probably need to spin up some beefy AWS EC2s with significant GPU / AI capable processing power - this can be very $$$.
                  So for now, we pay SLR.

                        GenericUser3 yeah. Nothing comes close to the convenience of SLR Drive. The only thing I'll keep doing on my own is VR deep fakes for personal use. I have a my own custom software and workflows in RunPod (expensive per single 8k vids, but worth it) and for the time being I haven't found anything superior. But PT and scripts? SLR seems ideal ❤️

                            So where are these drive credits then? Uploaded 2 videos, applied a credit to each and they did not look so great. Terrible lighting, so I deleted them. They say 24 hours to get those 2 credits back but this was almost 2 days ago now...

                            I thought this was supposed to be a promotional month or something? Sofar with waiting to upload and waiting to render AI and then having to scrap and wait to do it again, feeling like more of a hassle than its worth

                              sogman there are no 12h or anything to fix. Will take weeks in better case.
                              We are building the whole setup to operate it. Works great for most videos. Some require extra work on the algorithms.
                              We don't hold liability for results for each token, but we are committed our best to make things work

                                doublevr THANK YOU. I built my toolset with Python and a lot of clever ways to refocus > dewarp > face swap > rewarp > paste back VR frames, and currently it takes me a few hours of full usage of 6-8 L40 GPUs for 40-50 minute 8K vids. The results are AMAZING, but the cost is a bit high. If you guys come up with something close to my solution and cheaper, I'd love you guys forever 🔥