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You guys at SLR gave DRIVE the title. But we came cause of the passthrough feature onto out own local content, and thats all. Nobody was excited about cloud storage.

fenderwq The bottom line is that I think for a most people the whole SLR drive thing is only about getting AI passthrough and AI scripts for their non SLR videos.

I can organize my hard drives at home, but on SLR our personal playists are a jumbled disorganized mess. Not alphabetized.... still, after years. Just basics, its not a good look. The drive is going to de a disorganized dumping ground, like their playlists. Excepts you will pay extra for it. Sorry guys. If you want to attract cloud users into your 1 stop shop and have people pay to hold their videos, you are going to have to step it up with organizing. They want you to dump videos into a pile you will watch again, and pay to do it. Makes no sense. AI passthrough quickly became more of a side thing instead of the main feature of DRIVE. There is too much content out there to make SLR into a 1 stop shop, their goal. Its just wishful thinking. Somebody is going to come along and give people what they were excited for on another big site.. and its not going to feel like a cash grab

They should really have made two campaigns instead of one. Instead of combining them into something a majority of people only are interested in half of, clearly. They dont have anything to do with eachother. If you try to push jelly and people don't want peanut butter, you may not sell many sandwiches.

  • cloud storage

  • AI PT + AI script generation onto your personal videos.

pulsaralto 100% this, if I could I would go local only,

you still can, its how we have been doing it up to today anyway, and wont cost you extra 🙂

        So this is obviously an anti-piracy thing. I really wonder if it works out like you imagine though…

        In the almighty words of Gabe Newell, piracy is almost always a service problem, not a pricing problem. Look at Valve and how it is doing, it outperforms Apple and other giant companies in terms of profit per employee. No anti-piracy methods on any of their games, high customer service standards etc.

        I feel like paying customers get screwed at the expense of potentially (temporarily) avoiding piracy. Kind of like Denuvo.

        As a lifetime member, what is the point of locking 500kb files? I get that providing the AI model for other content induces costs and therefore cannot be free. But what is the explanation for AI script download limits for example?

        Just my 2 cents, getting a little tired of Doubles responses tbh, a forum like this is for feedback, if you’re not willing to listen, might as well shut it down.

        pulsaralto Me too, but passthrough we already have covered. Programs that work like Adobe after effects but are way cheaper and easy to use and light on your computer... like runway. Click the model, erase the background, render. Voila, passthrough videos all day long. Can fine tune as much as you like and best part is you can keep the new passthrough videos on your own hard drives saved for offline use. What im saying is not revolutionary, been doing this for a few years now and with AI all major video editing software can create passthrough at an affordable price. No video limit.

        So if you like the scripts, the same thing applies to AI scripts. Just hold your breath cause a little tedious to make a script now but with AI taking over its going to be like 5 minutes and you are generating your own scripts for as many videos as you like all day. Things are moving too fast. Slr is tryint to hook people in before they realize SLR is not the only company doing this. Its kinda old tech at this point tbh

          Internet expert moment:
          No one is ever going to stream - 95% of SLR streaming.
          AI scripts are shit, no one is going to use them - They are more used than craft scripts.
          AI PT is great.

          There won't be ai scripts or pt for local files. These are Drive streaming only features.

          You people are the worst shit making it from "no way anyone would use it" to "it's so obvious" in no time with no excuse. Such a crap turning creative discussion into a shitshow.

            doublevr I mean thats not what we are talking about though. I can stream off of my own personal hard drive at home too.

            And nobody is saying the AI is no good, its just not unique to SLR at this point. So why is the cloud strange and AI stuff combined into one package? Seems most people are really not all that interested in the cloud storage but the cloud storage is just an excuse to jack up the price on the AI features we were all caring about in the first place.

            doublevr AI scripts are shit, no one is going to use them - They are more used than craft scripts.

            Also a majority of scripts available are AI generated so its no surprise they are used more than craft scripts. I also did not have to pay extra for scripts on my account. I chose to. With drive we would have to pay for something we dont want and wont use much to get to the feature we cared about in the first place. Maybe If I signed up I could save money by opting to have bare minimum cloud storage, as if it is a separate feature, because it is. I dont want 500gb of a jumbled disorganized mess I will never sift through. SLR still hasnt added basic organization to personalized playlists. The cloud isnt going to be any different, except you pay for it to be a mess. If the goal is to sway people into using SLR as their main goto hub, sorry, too much content out there. Never going to happen and especially if you corner people.

            doublevr No one is ever going to stream - 95% of SLR streaming.

            When they have a download cap, yeah people tend to stop using it. I dont make the rules. Some other sites remove download options alltogether cause they only want to be streaming..... but slr wants you to download videos and put them into their cloud storage also. I dont get it.

                    i`m willing to pay a lifetime price for at least 1 or 2tb and unlimited ai pt conversions, no need to donwload anything. dont like monthly subs

                    For me it's the opposite, the only thing that interests me is downloads with AI passthrough because I prefer to read files locally on Heresphere and I would only pay for that and nothing else and I think it would be a serious mistake not to offer downloads but you must already know that in my opinion so the cards are in your hands

                    doublevr I think the AI stuff is great, believed in it from the start, and helped it improve by giving plenty of feedback, just see my history. Also passthrough AI pretty much forces you to stream if you like that. So not sure if this comment is also for me but if it is, I'm just trying to make a constructive argument about the vision you pointed out in the initial post. That's why you posted it right?

                    I still think drive is a nice feature and I'll probably subscribe to it but I think it could be way better when you address / find a solution to some of the pain points I listed.

                    And, btw I know your not gonna allow us to generate stuff locally (although I wish you would). That's not the point. It's about making SLR drive workable and appealing to as many people as possible.

                      doublevr I’d recommend to either simply stop commenting or stop using the forums altogether for this stuff.

                      If you’re not gonna take feedback seriously, even insult (paying) users for it. Just don’t discuss this publicly. You have to realize that every single person on this forum is a paying customer, and are some of the most engaged users of SLR

                      Launch it however you want and see if it makes profit. You’ve gotten loads of feedback, if you decide to ignore it that’s on you.

                      A CEO whining that ‘customers are entitled and want everything free’ really doesn’t come across well. Especially when mentioned to paying customers only. Guess what, if (a part of) the company isn’t performing well, its not the clients fault for not buying the service, it’s the service’s fault for not being attractive enough in the market.

                        Does SLR really think that the second they put out something it is going to be perfect? That everybody has to agree its the greatest thing to happen to VR.
                        I just don't get why when they get feedback from customers about what they could do to improve it. They get mad. Ignore any comment that you seem to think is trolling. Although I don't think anybody on here is trolling but instead telling SLR what they think about it. Isn't that the point of starting a discussion. Maybe it is to just get praise and a bunch of Thank you Thank you.

                        How long until everybody can just get AI PT at home for free? How long until everybody can get AI scripts at home for free? At that point is anybody going to pay a higher price for cloud space?

                          rerun119 How long until everybody can just get AI PT at home for free? How long until everybody can get AI scripts at home for free? At that point is anybody going to pay a higher price for cloud space?

                          If AT PT and scripts are really that popular then it's bound to happen. Training ML models for this isn't difficult and someone will build a tool or service that can do it at a fraction of the price SLR wants to charge, with none of the restrictions.

                              If anyone is interested in 2D AI passthrough, RunwayML can do it for free. You don’t need to use any credits for the green screen effect which is really excellent. You put a few markers on the objects you want to follow and the AI will track it throughout the video (max. 15m vid/720p for free)

                                renstimpy11 haven’t tried it. Even if you pay the export resolution is 4k max. Assuming the tracking works it’d still be disappointing.

                                Edit: actually you could export it as a mask I believe, might be able to apply it to the original vid, not sure.

                                  There's this recurring theme in multiple forums threads that I find very annoying:

                                  • Announcement is made
                                  • Some users make constructive comments
                                  • Some users shit on the announcement: it's not enough, too late, too expensive

                                  I find that really disheartening because it turns what could have been a good conversation into a shit show.

                                  1. SLR is a business, its purpose is to make money. Services like Drive are what's called a "moat", it secures a competitive advantage while unlocking new revenue streams. They get to keep that moat until someone can offer a passthrough AI and script AI software for cheaper (or free). AFAIK, there's no competition yet.
                                  2. SLR Drive has included costs: R&D, operations, storage and compute. Therefore there's an optimum to be found between cost and revenue. Van Westendorp's Price Sensitivity Meter is a good way to price things: what price would be too cheap, cheap, acceptable, expensive, too expensive to consider?
                                  3. Product vision: what's the purpose of the product and how to shape it? Generate revenue, benefits, acquire new users, retain existing customers, etc?

                                  In my case, given the state of things, I'm only interested in the scripting AI functionality, cloud storage is a nice feature but I could do without and I will not use passthrough AI. Maybe hyper and SLR sextoy may change things.

                                  I'm very much looking forward to the SLR Drive feature, and I can't wait to try Script AI. I already have a lifetime subscription, and I would realistically use drive to script a couple dozens of videos. Within two years, that would result in about $15/video to get an AI script, which does seem on the pricey side, but provides a service that no one else does.
                                  Options to download AI generated script, delete old videos and upload new ones would provide value that would make the service worth it.

                                  @Kieshi @doublevr @xoxo I'm still waiting for a resolution to the scene I spent a credit on that did not get processed correctly. https://www.sexlikereal.com/drive/scene/id/67656ee985eb280359736e8c

                                  I've done as instructed and posted the link in other threads, but I have not heard back on it. I've asked for updates here and in other threads but I've not gotten a response (mostly writing that off due to the holidays). However, I'd like to know if the scene will get reprocessed or not. If, so, when and if not, will I get a credit back? I would like to know how similar situations will be addressed in the future before I decide to invest more money into this new feature.

                                  I tried to valuate and quantify the proposed benefits to compare with the proposed Drive price. An almost wholly subjective and most frequently arbitrary analysis follows.

                                  To encourage streaming, SLR has proposed a $9.99 charge for downloading an AI PT. Divide that by an arbitrary metric of 3 years to indicate the difference between owning and renting for a month gets you a value of $.28 per AI PT scene per month.

                                  No price has been proposed for downloading Drive AI funscripts. My general conclusion is that the price will be similarly high to encourage streaming. Its worthwhile to consider that Drive scripts will be partially equivalent to commissioned scripts -- both involve the buyer's choice in scenes and both have a limited buyer population with which to spread cost/profit. That would lean towards an inflated price. On the other hand, there is the impact of prejudice against AI-generated content to bring that price down. On top of that you have the own versus rent calculation. Disregarding the further array of potential variables lands me at an incredibly arbitrary $.50 per AI script per month.

                                  The storage by itself has no use for me, but, as an enabler for the AI services, there is a value associated with more space. 30 credits with 30 GB would be unusable. My personal view is that you need about 10 GB per credit (20 GB average video size with 2 credits used per video). That means a 30 credit allotment would need at least 300 GB. How much is a 67% increase to 500 GB in storage worth? No idea, so I'll value it at an arbitrary 33.5% markup.

                                  15 credits used on AI PT X $.28 = $4.20
                                  15 credits used on AT scripts X $.50 = $7.50
                                  $11.70 + 33.5% storage upgrade = $15.62

                                  So my wildly arbitrary valuations come pretty damn close to the proposed $14.99.