SLR Drive Vision and Future

sogman

fuccaneer If similar language is used in a Drive Download Agreement, then that risk is substantially passed onto the user.

So a user would not only pay the $9.99 for the original download, they would also have to pay legal fees and associated costs if SLR were sued for copyright infringement because of the user didnt get permission from the copyright holder. The user would also likely be on the hook for any monetary damages awarded to the third party.

Yeah I mean, no surprise. Its the porn industry afterall. How many times have you seen stuff ripped from one site up on another and you know damn well they did not get permission. Just a little amateur uploader on a bigger site. But with the slr drive, its really no different than how qbittorrent operates. Everything is ok and qbittorrent does not get shut down for allowing the "download of illegal content" because you are only supposed to download "legal content." Likely uploads will be heavily monitored by a third party, and your ISP emails you a copywrite infringement warning if a content creator sees the title to their video uploaded in DRIVE. Your ISP will give you a few passes, then they may cut your internet. On DRIVE though you may be streaming vs downloading, you still download a very very small file. Sometimes just a cookie, with bits worth of info. You have to inorder to initiate the 'streaming.' But you downloaded it. Maybe not the whole video, but the keythat granted you access. Yeah, so many have said just what you have: sorta, how can they legally do this? Just as you said, pass it on to you like other torrent platforms do.

Another side to it is they may make drive 100% locked down for "privacy of the user" which is not a bad idea. Who cares maybe I want to upload some non-porn just for fun or private family videos. IDK just saying. A third party would never know what I upload. But again I have no idea, its just another angle

BaoBun

I for one like the idea of the drive space. It was a bit wonky at the start but I have been able to sort things out. Few of my personal items:

The first issue I ran in to was that the videos I was uploading were just outside of the size limit. Which was strange, cause I could upload and stream but couldn’t request any Ai. It would be nice to have an automated pop up “this video is too large for Ai” or in a perfect world offer to scale the video for you when you request Ai.
I know a lot has been said on the pricing already but my opinion is that: it’s great to offer the monthly for people who really want to take advantage of the services. The monthly subscription for the drive just won’t fit my needs. As someone else said, I would love to see a one-time offer that increases the base storage by a bit. It could also be done where the increase in storage applies even if you later switch to monthly. Ex: you mentioned 500gb/monthly but if you ever bought the one-time offer it would effectively be 550gb total storage (assuming the one-time bump is 50gb).
I tried to upload a video from my mobile device, went terribly haha. It would constantly just stop uploading. On a positive note, I was really happy to see that you could pick up where you left off even when switching over to PC. In the defense of the drive, the uploads speeds where I live aren’t the greatest.
Lastly, one of my favorite parts of the drive is trimming out all the BS in the videos I am uploading. Being able to just chop it out before uploading was great and easy to do.

doublevr

GenericUser3 it's a personal usage service. Shouldn't be an issue

Hairsational

fuccaneer A copyright holder isn't going to go after all the users uploading copyrighted content, they will go after the service provider.

sogman

Hairsational You are right. Which is why its important to write yourself out of it if you are a service provider. The 'fine print' makes it someone elses problem if there is a problem

fuccaneer

Hairsational Yes, the third party studio would sue SLR directly, but the agreement the user would have signed would put them on the hook for any costs associated with SLR being sued by the third party studio (legal fees, damages, etc).

Also, neither the users nor SLR are likely to get sued for the mere uploading of copyright protected content--its the creation of the derivative works of AI PT and AI script and the distribution (downloading) that are the potentially copyright violating parts.

Again, I'm not in the legal field, so don't trust anything I have to say.

fenderwq

unlimited streaming only AI PT and Scripts

This really changes the value perspective a lot. Not having to worry about failed renders, or usage limits is a big deal. I'm now much more excited about SLR drive.

Still think the downloads should be 5€ max though. 10€ a scene for AI passthrough + script is already insanely expensive if you ask me. I would never use it at 20€ a scene, not even for my all time favorite scenes.

sogman

fenderwq unlimited streaming only AI PT and Scripts

where are you seeing that? And its worded kinda funky. "Only AI passthroug and scripts".. yeah I mean drive is designed for AI passthrough and scripts, what else would unlimited streaming be for?

fuccaneer

sogman doubleVR edited the topic original post above

"doublevr"#p95242 It's top priority to introduce ~~2TB storage for $29.99/mo~~ 500GB Storage for $14.99/mo including some ~~30 monthly~~ unlimited streaming only AI PT and Scripts. With an option for paid downloads like $9.99 per PT AI render or script

fuccaneer

fuccaneer Also, neither the users nor SLR are likely to get sued for the mere uploading of copyright protected content--its the creation of the derivative works of AI PT and AI script and the distribution (downloading) that are the potentially copyright violating parts.

I'll leave it at that because this has gone incredibly off-topic. Sorry to the OP.

rerun119

fuccaneer Yes, the third party studio would sue SLR directly, but the agreement the user would have signed would put them on the hook for any costs associated with SLR being sued by the third party studio

And how do you think SLR gets the users to pay for the lawyers? If another VR porn company sued SLR over copyright then you think SLR will sue everybody that put videos on the cloud?
I'm not saying that they will get sued but I don't see how they would ever get the customers to pay for the defence team.

sogman

Gotcha thanks

jommy

re the copyright stuff, you guys are forgetting this is a private cloud, the videos are not shareable to anyone

It's not much different than people uploading copyrighted videos onto Google Drive or Dropbox (which has been a thing since forever). So long as they are not shared then there is likely no issue

catflap

I like that SLR is creative -

You try lots of new things, but for me they broadly fit into two categories

1 ) Your devs and team are having fun and pushing the boundaries. Our membership "investment" in SLR ends up with new impressive features and of course a steady stream of new content

2 ) Your marketing people are brainstorming about how to get more money because your regular subscribers /members are not providing you with enough money.

I am a big fan of (1), but I feel there are a lot of things you come up with which are 100% in category (2), Weaning us onto some new "value add" product and bleeding us like we are trapped pigs in a factory farm

I dont use anything but the most vanilla streaming in DeoVR (with downloads), but I do get concerned when I read that there will be a new tier, or that something super-basic like bluetooth support will be dropped

ameteala

@doublevr on what date do the credits recharge each month?

PeeTee

ameteala I wonder the same 🙂 @doublevr

doublevr

rerun119 please stop the offtopic. The issue was well addressed. Slr makes its best to assure proper legal basis.
Users should not be worried if any of that.

It's a private drive for users. It's no different than making a local copy for personal use or dropbox upload.

doublevr

PeeTee on the first day of a new month once you've got the feature on.

Credits will be very different soon. They might remain the same for free 30GB users and will be somewhat reasonably unlimited for 500GB plan proportion to storage capacity. Perfectly we want users to use drive to stream their favorite videos. Takes time to get everything in place

jojo321

doublevr
regarding the upcoming 500gb unlimited plan, will it be just monthly? or will there be yearly and lifetime plans as well?
thanks

ameteala

doublevr do we get anymore credits for beta?

doublevr

jojo321 monthly for starter. Once we figure out dynamics with come up with the next annual and potentially lifetime logic. It's a bit different dynamics than VOD SLR services

GenericUser3

doublevr If you're on monthly, don't know if this has addressed yet, but what happens when your subscription is cancelled or can't renew (card expired/address changed/denied by bank)? Does your 500GB of data get deleted immediately or is there a grace period to renew sub before your 500GB of data gets deleted?

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