Should we make all the new Passthrough movies in male green suit?

doublevr

bobbytables there's a room for everyone 👌

We aren't getting any short on nonPT videos

LordCrash

doublevr We aren't getting any short on nonPT videos

Definitely not true for the casting side though.

You might not get short on VR scenes in general but apparently you do get short on VR scenes with certain girls people actually wanted to see in VR (and even suggested them for it)...

And there were four AR scenes in the past two weeks. So much for AR scenes "only being bonus content on top of VR content". It's taking over more and more space of the regular release schedule lately. There were more AR scenes in the last two weeks than Nash scenes...

kurtis316

For sure, without that green suit option, I don't wanna see my belly even in VR ...lol

LordCrash

doublevr every new headset release gets even more passthrough

Why do you still not understand that some people DON'T WANT to watch AR porn? It doesn't matter how good the tech is or will be, some people simply DON'T WANT TO WATCH AR PORN.

I get that you will continue shooting AR porn no matter how much resistance you get from a portion of your own customer base. Nobody can stop you from doing that, it's your business. But this attitude that people not interested in AR porn wouldn't even exist and that everyone would deeply love and root for AR porn if only the tech was good enough is just ignorant, annoying and downright insulting. Please stop that, it's not true.

doublevr Also looking to introduce more custom backgrounds for these videos.

You really don't need to invest money into that if you use the grey suits for all AR scenes in the future.

There are only two possible scnearios:

You use a grey suit in AR scenes. That way the video isn't watchable without using passthrough mode. So custom backgrounds for a VR-workaround solution are pointless.
You don't use grey suits in AR scenes.. Then custom backgrounds are an option to make AR videos somewhat watchabe in a VR-workaround mode without passthrough.

Your statement that you want to do both, using grey suits AND custom background makes absolutely zero sense.

To answer the question

Should we make all the new Passthrough movies in male green suit?

That's a clear NO from my side.

theHobbit

LordCrash no matter how much resistance you get from a portion of your own customer base

All 5 of you to be exact lol

netcat

The non-gray suit PT scenes were more finicky when I was testing them out on the quest 2 than the suit ones. So yep, I would say go gray suit for all new PT scenes.
The latest few PT scenes have been very hot - casting selection here has been incredible.
I'm ordering the Q3 as soon as it becomes available.

I know a lot of folks are not too happy with the PT direction. But I really believe in the tech, and that there is a lot of potential here. We'll have a lot more signal once the Q3 gets in the hands of everyone.
Until then, it drives me crazy thinking of the recent hot scenes and how they'll look in full color PT!

stefanno

I say yes, the green suit scenes is what finally convinced me to try out pass through. Even with quest 2 black and white cameras, the feeling of immersion you get is something new. For me, without passthrough these scenes are unwatchable no matter what. i don't think looking for a middle ground is the best idea, you will end up with scenes that are mediocre with or without passthrough. Lean all the way into it, make it as immersive as possible, and at the same time keep producing great non passthrough scenes, to keep everyone happy. I think there is a place for both

petermc

doublevr I’m pretty sure that’s what you’ve already decided to do so it’s kind of pointless to object. The bodysuit scenes are completely unwatchable for anyone who does not want to use passthrough. The grey background scenes were actually watchable and a decent compromise especially if we can eventually put in decent alternative backgrounds. The full body suit just makes that unworkable.

SchnuppiLilac

doublevr Although I am open to PT, I propose not to close the door on dual use of these videos with artificial backgrounds. The first example with added background looked very promising and I am sure it will be possible to make it work even better over time. I would rather have a choice between both ways of watching.

doublevr

SchnuppiLilac that's the plan.

MickyCheese

Looks like there are a few options here:

1. Full Body Green Suit

Pros:

Very immersive in AR/PT

Cons:

Doesn't work well in Non-PT/Non-AR viewing (huge disatisfaction for non-PT audience, which is much larger at the moment)
Custom backgrounds won't look good with a full body suit.

2. No Suit

Pros:

Makes it bearable for Non-PT/Non-AR audience to watch
Works with custom backgrounds

Cons:

Less immersive for PT users and Non-PT users alike., both audiences will be dissatisfied.
Delayed release of custom background scene for Non-PT audience.
Alignment issues for PT users

3. AI generated PT

Pros:

Great for PT and Non-PT users. Assuming, the scene is shot as an SLR original. Both audiences will be satisfied.
Lower production cost (don't have to spend time and money on creating alpha channel and custom backgrounds)
PT and Non-PT scene is released at the same time (just need to release one SLR Original).
Provides a more customizable experience (can turn on PT for some scenes and turn it off for others).
Highly reuseable technology (can use the same technique for videos from other studios too).
SLR Developers gain AI skills.

Cons:

AI generated PT quality is decent but not as good as alpha channel (AI generated PT can get better over time though).
May use slightly more headset battery than usual (nothing to worry about though).

Final Recommendations

SLR should redirect its PT efforts into making AI generated PT a reality. This option provides great satisfaction to both PT and non-PT users. AI generated PT also lowers cost for SLR.
SLR should pause alpha channel PT production for now and replace it with SLR Originals (to see if production costs can be lowered with AI generated PT). This will also mitigate the dissatisfaction from the Non-PT audience (which is much larger than PT audience right now).

LordCrash

MickyCheese Great post, dude. 👏

theHobbit

MickyCheese For PassThrough - Option 1 is the best.

Option 3 is not so good for people like me who like pass through, so when you say Great for PT users, this simply isn't correct. You are just just trying to make a convincing argument for the proponents of Non-PT. This is why the drama queens have liked your post.

SchnuppiLilac

doublevr What I wanted to say is that dual use would exclude the use of body suits. I guess you might still watch the body suit videos in non-PT if you want to see the girl but not the greatest experience.

MickyCheese

theHobbit I agree, AI generated PT is not as good as alpha channel (Alpha channel is so much better in passthrough).

The reason I mentioned AI gen PT is great for PT users is because it's not that bad and SLR is already planning to invest in the technology.

I recommended it because it looks very promising. SLR will eventually get better at it and it solves the contention between PT and non-PT users.

Here is the latest update from AlexSLRLabs on AI gen PT:

theHobbit

MickyCheese it solves the contention between PT and non-PT users.

There isn't a massive contention - there are a few who want SLR to focus on VR and they routinely throw their dummies out of the pram but I suspect most users don't give a monkeys which format is being used as can be seen from the number of likes the videos get regardless of whether it is pass through or not.

I reckon the 5 users lol who are really into VR probably like looking out the location windows and bedroom decor or something along those lines. They probably get boners when they go to home department stores lol. Whereas most users are busy jerking off to the hot women in front of them.

bboy7895

Dam, thats way better than capcut

Kolaches

theHobbit dude I get you have your opinion but don't try to act like people who disagree with you are just dumb drama queens and aren't a significant number. There are valid reasonings on both sides, that's why it's such a heated topic

Hairsational

theHobbit If there are only "a few who want SLR to focus on VR" then why are you getting so intensely butthurt about what they have to say? Every one of your posts is dripping with contempt for anyone that says something bad about PT.

they routinely throw their dummies out of the pram

You're projecting.

petermc

theHobbit Even if I wanted a reminder that I’m actually in my own bedroom jerking off, passthrough does not work. You cannot do any kind of camera movement as the background (your room) is fixed and the girl is not so the second you tilt the camera or she changes position, everything looks wrong.

In order to watch the scene properly then, I have to physically re-enact what is happening on screen. I have no interest in doing that and neither do most people or all the VR players wouldn’t have the option to move the camera.

The other option is to restrict the whole scene to the same laying down position so you just have cowgirl positions for the entire scene which is a huge step backwards.

MickyCheese

theHobbit While I agree that most people will focus on the hot, naked woman in front of them, I still believe their is contention.

From my understanding, the contention starts when a new girl is cast in only one format:

Users preferring non-PT want the scene to be an SLR Original to maximize 'immersion' in VR.
Users preferring PT want the scene to be alpha channel PT to maximize 'immersion' in AR.
Neutral users are happy as long as one of the formats has maximized 'immersion'.

While you and I might agree that most users are neutral and the future is with AR, it still doesn't change the fact that there will be more people preferring SLR Originals simply because not many people have color PT headsets at the moment. Also, most SLR customers don't mind SLR Originals because it's been around longer than PT.

Since AI generated PT has the potential to be as good as alpha channel, I believe it's the right choice going forward (it has potential to maximize 'immersion' in VR and AR).

theHobbit

Hairsational they

who on earth are 'they' hahahahah.

thatoculusdude

doublevr interesting. I've been loving the full passthough releases, so whatever you do, make sure they still look great.

I don't care if you keep the male there and remove it with AI, or if you add realistic environments for passthough haters, just don't mess up with the clean and polished look your new PT releases have ❤️

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