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fenderwq RealcumberScripts yeah, I can imagine that that might be the reason why. Still, wouldn't you agree that there is no real reason why it couldn't (or should not) be reproduced in western porn? Personally, I think a great deal can be learned from jav in that regard.

Also, I don't think it's only camera placement but where they position the girls and especially what the girls do and how they act.

Just look at how jav does a harem scene. How all the girls work together and are still close to the camera, how they maintain a sense of intimacy, etc. All that while still having your pixalated junk in full focus lol.

Yes for sure - agreed there is much to still learn from jav scenes and no real reason why jav style directing cant be more replicated or influenced into slr/western vr shooting

Lenovo RealcumberScripts It's said that Alex Nash scenes are like Japanese style ,is that true ?l watched some sivr scenes,all the positions are perfect and relisitic. If they are high-resolution and uncensored, l won't choose Western vr .

Yes, they are very close and very intimately shot - definitely check them out and encourage Alex Nash to shoot more JAV style if you like

Will65 RealcumberScripts Once again, you've described the difference between Virtual Reality and 3D porn. 3D porn is not "sex like real", virtual reality is.

I think western producers think that all western consumers are sweaty Harley dudes who want nothing but penetration, choking, jackhammer fucking and armpits. It's a shame they give in to the lowbrow so goddamn often. You could do SLR more highbrow and immersive, and people would pay double the price. Instead, it's 3D Walmart porn with no identity of its own - just trying to beat others at what they are already doing.

Yes, I think theres still an older/prevalent mindset thats seemingly difficult to change when trying to shoot 2d style scenes in VR. Most western porn does not focus on slowed down intimacy and girlfriend experience style interaction and scenarios and instead seem to focus moreso on titillating fast paced acts of penetration

Although that can be great for 2d viewing, it doesnt take advantage of the amazing feeling of presence and immersion you can achieve with the VR medium and that sense of presence is what makes VR porn so unique and worth paying for and coming back more for

It would be great if you guys can keep leaving comments on the scenes on what the directors did right and what they can improve on and hopefully we can get to that ideal style of scene you guys want to keep seeing more of

          RealcumberScripts Most western porn does not focus on slowed down intimacy and girlfriend experience style interaction and scenarios and instead seem to focus moreso on titillating fast paced acts of penetration

          I think the problem is the wetsern mindset in general - users and directors seem more focused on dominance and action and less focused on intimacy and interaction. The general theme seems to be "I want to imagine myself totally banging this slut" which doesn't work well for VR since it is more stunt-cock centric, instead of "I'm going to lay back and enjoy this girl pleasuring me" which works a lot better in VR for generating the presence and immersion needed to jump the perceptual boundary and feel "in" the scene.

          All the folks who express that they want to feel like they are DOING the action are usually going to come up short. You can get immersion from being somewhat still (as with a sync'd stroker and a script) and feeling like something is being done TO you. Unless you have your fleshlight mounted to the wall and stand up and thrust into it during standing cowgirl, your actions and movement are never going to match the 3D representation being fed to your eyes - thus, your experience will be incomplete and out of sync. Positions where the action is model controlled and sync'd with a stroker to emulate what is going on in the scene - that's VR in the truest perceptual sense since the audio, visual, and tactile sensation (at least on your penis) are in sync with each other and trick the brain into the perceptual leap.

          All you're missing is taste and smell 🙂

              Will65 rerun119 We don't need AlexNashVR, we need RealCumberVR! Ever think of branching out into directing/producing, @RealcumberScripts ?

              Dont tempt me further lol - I've teased the idea previously, maybe in the future one day - I am a VR superfan and admire a ton of JAV, so who knows one day, but Im sure its more difficult to do that it looks

              We have more than capable directors who only keep getting better thanks to your guys feedback!

                rerun119 Evan_Redstar So why don't western studios do this too if you know that "It gives them total immersive control"?

                if JAV studios have an 'on the spot' viewer that views the action in real time, thats a big help and hopefully that will be possible here one day

                Having to watch the many hours of footage of each scene fully after viewing and monitoring comments constantly is definitely more time consuming although I would definitely still recommend doing so to keep getting better

                  Most western studios film VR as flat porn. They use the simple rule: "show the pussy all the time", so the girls are always a meter away. There are almost no immersion or presence, it is just you watching a 3D TV.

                  I am european, but 90% of porn I watch is JAV VR. For me it's much more erotic and hotter a censored JAV VR than 90% of western porn in VR, because the former is true virtual reality where you really feel like you're with the girl, and the latter is just watching TV with glasses on.

                  By the way, DMM has already released more than 10 8K titles, and from its best Japanese studios....

                  RealcumberScripts Most western porn does not focus on slowed down intimacy and girlfriend experience style interaction and scenarios and instead seem to focus moreso on titillating fast paced acts of penetration

                  I have not conducted any systematic historical research on this matter, but I think the element of intimacy in western VR was there back in the earlier days and was lost over time (not sure if deliberately or whether the guys who could film it in this way moved on). Every now and then I stumble across an older video (like from WankzVR from around 2017) that reminds me of what is missing in VR today. Some of these videos get a lot of things right in terms of creating a feeling of intimacy and closeness (without neglecting the hardcore parts). Lots of eye contact and close faces, positioning for CG and POV kissing is spot-on. For me, this is a whole different level compared to many videos today (incl. WankzVR) and I get what people mean when they say this is 3D TV and not VR.

                  But then again, I think the VR comeback of Lindsey Cruz a few days ago on CzechVR was outstanding and felt very real. Could be subjective, not sure if others would feel the same way.

                      SchnuppiLilac I think the element of intimacy in western VR was there back in the earlier days and was lost over time (not sure if deliberately or whether the guys who could film it in this way moved on).

                      I agree. Earlier iterations of VR porn were much more focused on the intimacy and experience the medium could provide - they just lacked better cameras that we have now. I think the earlier days of VR were more of a purist or connoisseur mindset as well, since it was a smaller community and many people were still priced out of the headsets. I think a couple of things changed that: cheap headsets, which left studios at the mercy of the masses, and the migration of traditional pornographers to the medium once the proof of concept was established. SLR, in may ways, is the worst of this trend. They are constantly talking about how they are "innovating" in that "move fast and break shit" way that techies from the the early 2000s did (and we all know how well that worked out). But instead of elevating Virtual Reality to become more immersive, have more presence, have more intimacy - the very thing that made it amazing in the first place - they just keep dragging it towards 3D porn with shit that has nothing to do with virtual reality (e.g., shorts, PMVs, passthrough, music tracks, non-pov, harems, booking every rando with no acting skills, porny dialogue, flat-porn angles that break immersion or little attention to angles at all).

                      It's a shame, really. Once a company decides they want to dominate the market (SLR) instead of producing artisan porn (CzechVR, VREdging, DeepInSex), they have to dumb their product down to cater to everyone. Before you know it, you're Walmart.

                          SchnuppiLilac

                          Totally agree. VR releases from western studios were much more immersive in 2017 or 2018. Just compare: SLR Originals, Wankz....

                          My impression is that with the arrival of Quest 2 VR porn has become more mainstream, and there are people who are content to watch standard 2D porn with glasses on.

                          Right here on SLR, in the comments of the videos, you can see that when someone brings the camera a little closer at the cowgirl, missionary or the kissing, people complain that the camera is too close. No, it's not too close, it's at the real distance those intimate scenes need. But as I said, there are people who don't understand VR, and are satisfied with 3D TV.

                          The problem is that studios listen to those people and not to us, and that makes them lose all the strength and advantages of VR, to have what we have now, a hybrid for which it is not worth wearing glasses, because it's like watching TV.

                          Another reason is that it is much easier and faster to shoot 3D TV than to shoot true virtual reality. And when you go from 4 movies a month to 16 or 20, as has happened with SLR Originals, they choose the easy and fast path.

                          Personally I am not renewing the subscriptions of western studios that are running out, because the current western VR does not fill me, it is not true virtual reality. My CZechVR subscription ended two months ago. My SLR subscription will end in july. If I renew, which is unlikely, it will be for a couple of studios that publish their content here, not for the SLR Originals, which I haven't even downloaded for a long time. I am returning to JAV VR. It is censored, yes, but it's true virtual reality, the only place where you can really feel like you're with the girls, which to me is the only sense of VR porn.

                              Natch The problem is that studios listen to those people and not to us

                              I think the problem is that they don't listen to anybody. They don't ever watch the stuff that they shot.
                              I think in the early days they had to watch the scenes they shot because they didn't know what they were doing. So they looked at it and learned. Now they think they have it all figured out and just make boring 3d tv porn day after day. I half to believe in capitalism that somebody will figure it out. They will take all the money and force other companies to follow suit.
                              SLR thinks they run VR now but as soon as somebody does what we keep talking about then everybody will leave them. Then and I guess only then will SLR start trying to change how they film. Right now they have a couple teams that only know how to make cheesy 2d with a VR camera. I don't think they even think about the story for the scene until the ride to the studio.

                                  Natch rerun119 l think it has much to do with the director.As for some old wankzvr scenes they are filmed by Jimmy but he left around 2021. The other good director is Alexnash but it seems he has changed his old style... Btw the far distance and weird angle could be rectified by the tilt and zoom , the heresphere is stronger and stronger, what's your two comrade opinion

                                      rerun119 SLR thinks they run VR now but as soon as somebody does what we keep talking about then everybody will leave them.

                                      I fear that this is wrong, which is why I keep calling SLR the Walmart of porn. Even though headsets are more mainstream now, VR porn is still a bit of a niche market. It takes money, equipment, and (as Natch noted) TIME to produce VR porn instead of 3D porn. SLR scooping all the fledgling studios into their ecosystem while they churn out 20 meh-quality 3D vids a month makes it difficult for an artisan studio shooting true VR to compete. It is exactly like what happens when Walmart comes to your town - the artisan butcher, baker, etc that turned out high-quality product is forced out of business by the one-stop shop full of cheap crap. And they even did it in the same way! Initially, big box stores like Walmart will carry a lot of the same merchandise that higher-quality stores do, but at a lower price- even if that is a loss for them initially. Once they have driven everyone else out of the market with their low low prices, they drop the quality merchandise and only offer cheap crap while the locals complain they they cant get high quality goods any more. This is why you saw SLR produce technically flawless, intimate, high-quality VR until they dominated the market - and now they just churn out 20 3D vids a month, ignore customer complaints, and act like they are doing you a favor for doing it.

                                          Will65 I agree with what you say. I only hope that maybe one of the bigger 2d porn players decides to get into VR and does it right. Or maybe one of the current small guys has a change in philosophy and decides to listen and watch what they are making.

                                              rerun119 I'm actually surprised by how little of them have at this point, considering how much of a leap in experience VR porn is over 2D porn. Maybe it's the convenience factor of not having to have a headset or something. I sure don't understand how not every man has VR by now lol

                                                If VR porn is niche, then Japanese VR is beyond niche. Making VR even more niche than it already is, is not a great business move by studios. Most people who watch porn watch 2D porn and that’s focused a lot on the penetration. When those people (i.e. me) come over to VR from 2D porn, we want to see the stuff we enjoyed in 2D porn with the same girls except we’re now in 3d and get that POV sense that it’s us in the scene fucking the girl. Actually fucking though, not just sitting motionless while she pleasures us and not just vanilla girlfriend simulations. It’s porn, I want to see pornstars fuck like pornstars, not like mere mortals. I want to see stuff that most girls in real life don’t do, deepthroating, anal, group sex, dirty talk, rough sex, pornstars showing their skills.

                                                Basically then I disagree with most people in this thread and really don’t want them to go down the road being asked for. That won’t entice more people to VR, it will just keep out the vast majority of porn fans who like something a little more adventurous in their sex scenes.

                                                People are entitled to their opinions of course and I’m sure the same people will keep asking for the same intimate vanilla porn just as I will continue to advocate that they go more hardcore, not less. We all like different things and it would be cool if we got a mixture of everything or if VR porn could reach a level of popularity that individual sites could specialise. We’re not there yet though and making VR even further removed from the mainstream won’t help us get there.

                                                I will say that I do like intimacy in scenes, I like kissing (when done well), I like girls whispering in your ear, I like it in cowgirl where the girl goes into a squat position and leans in close, face to face. However I also then like the guy to shove his dick down her throat and to get off his ass and fuck her while she begs and moans like slutty pornstar.

                                                  petermc Most people who watch porn watch 2D porn and that’s focused a lot on the penetration. When those people (i.e. me) come over to VR from 2D porn, we want to see the stuff we enjoyed in 2D porn with the same girls except we’re now in 3d and get that POV sense that it’s us in the scene fucking the girl.

                                                  Didn't we all start by watching 2d porn?

                                                  VR is totally different. You can see the girl on your lap, kissing you, making it feel like it's really me. You couldn't do that in 2d. So yes we might have liked looking at penetration in 2d because that is all we could see. We couldn't feel like it was me but just that I was watching 2 people have sex. VR is not the same at all. I'm not watching 2 people, I am one of the people.

                                                  I personally don't think that the first time someone new puts on a VR headset and watches a girl climb onto his lap. When she leans in on him like she would in real life thinks "I don't like this cause I can't see everything" That is not the point in VR.