RealcumberScripts It's said that Alex Nash scenes are like Japanese style ,is that true ?l watched some sivr scenes,all the positions are perfect and relisitic. If they are high-resolution and uncensored, l won't choose Western vr .
why western studio cannot place the camera like Japanese
Btw when will Japanese upgrade their cameras? 4kUhd is their limit...
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RealcumberScripts Once again, you've described the difference between Virtual Reality and 3D porn. 3D porn is not "sex like real", virtual reality is.
I think western producers think that all western consumers are sweaty Harley dudes who want nothing but penetration, choking, jackhammer fucking and armpits. It's a shame they give in to the lowbrow so goddamn often. You could do SLR more highbrow and immersive, and people would pay double the price. Instead, it's 3D Walmart porn with no identity of its own - just trying to beat others at what they are already doing.
Will65 So true. The first western company to figure this out is going to take over VR in the West. I think @alexnash is really the only one that hears what we are saying and is trying to get there. If he figures it all out then he can buy SLR because of all the money he will make.
JamzVR Most of us thought SLR Jav originals would give us exactly what this thread is asking for, but for some backwards reason SLR decided to give us wesrern style vanilla shot porn with western mainstream stars, but pixaleted, like seriously why would a company take the 3 worst parts of western and Jav, and smoosh them together.
I thought this too, but instead they went with the lets try to take over the Japanese market. Nothing but thinking about making more money.
The truth is they would make more money if they learned from them instead of trying to beat them with western girls.
Reading this is a bit ironic because early on JAV VR was getting lots of flack for its angles, but now it seems like things have really improved (or user tastes have changed).
fenderwq RealcumberScripts yeah, I can imagine that that might be the reason why. Still, wouldn't you agree that there is no real reason why it couldn't (or should not) be reproduced in western porn? Personally, I think a great deal can be learned from jav in that regard.
Also, I don't think it's only camera placement but where they position the girls and especially what the girls do and how they act.
Just look at how jav does a harem scene. How all the girls work together and are still close to the camera, how they maintain a sense of intimacy, etc. All that while still having your pixalated junk in full focus lol.
Yes for sure - agreed there is much to still learn from jav scenes and no real reason why jav style directing cant be more replicated or influenced into slr/western vr shooting
Lenovo RealcumberScripts It's said that Alex Nash scenes are like Japanese style ,is that true ?l watched some sivr scenes,all the positions are perfect and relisitic. If they are high-resolution and uncensored, l won't choose Western vr .
Yes, they are very close and very intimately shot - definitely check them out and encourage Alex Nash to shoot more JAV style if you like
Will65 RealcumberScripts Once again, you've described the difference between Virtual Reality and 3D porn. 3D porn is not "sex like real", virtual reality is.
I think western producers think that all western consumers are sweaty Harley dudes who want nothing but penetration, choking, jackhammer fucking and armpits. It's a shame they give in to the lowbrow so goddamn often. You could do SLR more highbrow and immersive, and people would pay double the price. Instead, it's 3D Walmart porn with no identity of its own - just trying to beat others at what they are already doing.
Yes, I think theres still an older/prevalent mindset thats seemingly difficult to change when trying to shoot 2d style scenes in VR. Most western porn does not focus on slowed down intimacy and girlfriend experience style interaction and scenarios and instead seem to focus moreso on titillating fast paced acts of penetration
Although that can be great for 2d viewing, it doesnt take advantage of the amazing feeling of presence and immersion you can achieve with the VR medium and that sense of presence is what makes VR porn so unique and worth paying for and coming back more for
It would be great if you guys can keep leaving comments on the scenes on what the directors did right and what they can improve on and hopefully we can get to that ideal style of scene you guys want to keep seeing more of
RealcumberScripts knows what he is talking about.
Perfectly said.
JAV producers use another camera system. They using headset as a playback,It's give them total immersive control.
rerun119 We don't need AlexNashVR, we need RealCumberVR! Ever think of branching out into directing/producing, @RealcumberScripts ?
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RealcumberScripts Most western porn does not focus on slowed down intimacy and girlfriend experience style interaction and scenarios and instead seem to focus moreso on titillating fast paced acts of penetration
I think the problem is the wetsern mindset in general - users and directors seem more focused on dominance and action and less focused on intimacy and interaction. The general theme seems to be "I want to imagine myself totally banging this slut" which doesn't work well for VR since it is more stunt-cock centric, instead of "I'm going to lay back and enjoy this girl pleasuring me" which works a lot better in VR for generating the presence and immersion needed to jump the perceptual boundary and feel "in" the scene.
All the folks who express that they want to feel like they are DOING the action are usually going to come up short. You can get immersion from being somewhat still (as with a sync'd stroker and a script) and feeling like something is being done TO you. Unless you have your fleshlight mounted to the wall and stand up and thrust into it during standing cowgirl, your actions and movement are never going to match the 3D representation being fed to your eyes - thus, your experience will be incomplete and out of sync. Positions where the action is model controlled and sync'd with a stroker to emulate what is going on in the scene - that's VR in the truest perceptual sense since the audio, visual, and tactile sensation (at least on your penis) are in sync with each other and trick the brain into the perceptual leap.
All you're missing is taste and smell 
Evan_Redstar So why don't western studios do this too if you know that "It gives them total immersive control"?
Will65 rerun119 We don't need AlexNashVR, we need RealCumberVR! Ever think of branching out into directing/producing, @RealcumberScripts ?
Dont tempt me further lol - I've teased the idea previously, maybe in the future one day - I am a VR superfan and admire a ton of JAV, so who knows one day, but Im sure its more difficult to do that it looks
We have more than capable directors who only keep getting better thanks to your guys feedback!
rerun119 Evan_Redstar So why don't western studios do this too if you know that "It gives them total immersive control"?
if JAV studios have an 'on the spot' viewer that views the action in real time, thats a big help and hopefully that will be possible here one day
Having to watch the many hours of footage of each scene fully after viewing and monitoring comments constantly is definitely more time consuming although I would definitely still recommend doing so to keep getting better
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Most western studios film VR as flat porn. They use the simple rule: "show the pussy all the time", so the girls are always a meter away. There are almost no immersion or presence, it is just you watching a 3D TV.
I am european, but 90% of porn I watch is JAV VR. For me it's much more erotic and hotter a censored JAV VR than 90% of western porn in VR, because the former is true virtual reality where you really feel like you're with the girl, and the latter is just watching TV with glasses on.
By the way, DMM has already released more than 10 8K titles, and from its best Japanese studios....
RealcumberScripts Most western porn does not focus on slowed down intimacy and girlfriend experience style interaction and scenarios and instead seem to focus moreso on titillating fast paced acts of penetration
I have not conducted any systematic historical research on this matter, but I think the element of intimacy in western VR was there back in the earlier days and was lost over time (not sure if deliberately or whether the guys who could film it in this way moved on). Every now and then I stumble across an older video (like from WankzVR from around 2017) that reminds me of what is missing in VR today. Some of these videos get a lot of things right in terms of creating a feeling of intimacy and closeness (without neglecting the hardcore parts). Lots of eye contact and close faces, positioning for CG and POV kissing is spot-on. For me, this is a whole different level compared to many videos today (incl. WankzVR) and I get what people mean when they say this is 3D TV and not VR.
But then again, I think the VR comeback of Lindsey Cruz a few days ago on CzechVR was outstanding and felt very real. Could be subjective, not sure if others would feel the same way.
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SchnuppiLilac I think the element of intimacy in western VR was there back in the earlier days and was lost over time (not sure if deliberately or whether the guys who could film it in this way moved on).
I agree. Earlier iterations of VR porn were much more focused on the intimacy and experience the medium could provide - they just lacked better cameras that we have now. I think the earlier days of VR were more of a purist or connoisseur mindset as well, since it was a smaller community and many people were still priced out of the headsets. I think a couple of things changed that: cheap headsets, which left studios at the mercy of the masses, and the migration of traditional pornographers to the medium once the proof of concept was established. SLR, in may ways, is the worst of this trend. They are constantly talking about how they are "innovating" in that "move fast and break shit" way that techies from the the early 2000s did (and we all know how well that worked out). But instead of elevating Virtual Reality to become more immersive, have more presence, have more intimacy - the very thing that made it amazing in the first place - they just keep dragging it towards 3D porn with shit that has nothing to do with virtual reality (e.g., shorts, PMVs, passthrough, music tracks, non-pov, harems, booking every rando with no acting skills, porny dialogue, flat-porn angles that break immersion or little attention to angles at all).
It's a shame, really. Once a company decides they want to dominate the market (SLR) instead of producing artisan porn (CzechVR, VREdging, DeepInSex), they have to dumb their product down to cater to everyone. Before you know it, you're Walmart.
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Totally agree. VR releases from western studios were much more immersive in 2017 or 2018. Just compare: SLR Originals, Wankz....
My impression is that with the arrival of Quest 2 VR porn has become more mainstream, and there are people who are content to watch standard 2D porn with glasses on.
Right here on SLR, in the comments of the videos, you can see that when someone brings the camera a little closer at the cowgirl, missionary or the kissing, people complain that the camera is too close. No, it's not too close, it's at the real distance those intimate scenes need. But as I said, there are people who don't understand VR, and are satisfied with 3D TV.
The problem is that studios listen to those people and not to us, and that makes them lose all the strength and advantages of VR, to have what we have now, a hybrid for which it is not worth wearing glasses, because it's like watching TV.
Another reason is that it is much easier and faster to shoot 3D TV than to shoot true virtual reality. And when you go from 4 movies a month to 16 or 20, as has happened with SLR Originals, they choose the easy and fast path.
Personally I am not renewing the subscriptions of western studios that are running out, because the current western VR does not fill me, it is not true virtual reality. My CZechVR subscription ended two months ago. My SLR subscription will end in july. If I renew, which is unlikely, it will be for a couple of studios that publish their content here, not for the SLR Originals, which I haven't even downloaded for a long time. I am returning to JAV VR. It is censored, yes, but it's true virtual reality, the only place where you can really feel like you're with the girls, which to me is the only sense of VR porn.