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Natch The problem is that studios listen to those people and not to us

I think the problem is that they don't listen to anybody. They don't ever watch the stuff that they shot.
I think in the early days they had to watch the scenes they shot because they didn't know what they were doing. So they looked at it and learned. Now they think they have it all figured out and just make boring 3d tv porn day after day. I half to believe in capitalism that somebody will figure it out. They will take all the money and force other companies to follow suit.
SLR thinks they run VR now but as soon as somebody does what we keep talking about then everybody will leave them. Then and I guess only then will SLR start trying to change how they film. Right now they have a couple teams that only know how to make cheesy 2d with a VR camera. I don't think they even think about the story for the scene until the ride to the studio.

      Natch rerun119 l think it has much to do with the director.As for some old wankzvr scenes they are filmed by Jimmy but he left around 2021. The other good director is Alexnash but it seems he has changed his old style... Btw the far distance and weird angle could be rectified by the tilt and zoom , the heresphere is stronger and stronger, what's your two comrade opinion

          rerun119 SLR thinks they run VR now but as soon as somebody does what we keep talking about then everybody will leave them.

          I fear that this is wrong, which is why I keep calling SLR the Walmart of porn. Even though headsets are more mainstream now, VR porn is still a bit of a niche market. It takes money, equipment, and (as Natch noted) TIME to produce VR porn instead of 3D porn. SLR scooping all the fledgling studios into their ecosystem while they churn out 20 meh-quality 3D vids a month makes it difficult for an artisan studio shooting true VR to compete. It is exactly like what happens when Walmart comes to your town - the artisan butcher, baker, etc that turned out high-quality product is forced out of business by the one-stop shop full of cheap crap. And they even did it in the same way! Initially, big box stores like Walmart will carry a lot of the same merchandise that higher-quality stores do, but at a lower price- even if that is a loss for them initially. Once they have driven everyone else out of the market with their low low prices, they drop the quality merchandise and only offer cheap crap while the locals complain they they cant get high quality goods any more. This is why you saw SLR produce technically flawless, intimate, high-quality VR until they dominated the market - and now they just churn out 20 3D vids a month, ignore customer complaints, and act like they are doing you a favor for doing it.

              Will65 I agree with what you say. I only hope that maybe one of the bigger 2d porn players decides to get into VR and does it right. Or maybe one of the current small guys has a change in philosophy and decides to listen and watch what they are making.

                  rerun119 I'm actually surprised by how little of them have at this point, considering how much of a leap in experience VR porn is over 2D porn. Maybe it's the convenience factor of not having to have a headset or something. I sure don't understand how not every man has VR by now lol

                    If VR porn is niche, then Japanese VR is beyond niche. Making VR even more niche than it already is, is not a great business move by studios. Most people who watch porn watch 2D porn and that’s focused a lot on the penetration. When those people (i.e. me) come over to VR from 2D porn, we want to see the stuff we enjoyed in 2D porn with the same girls except we’re now in 3d and get that POV sense that it’s us in the scene fucking the girl. Actually fucking though, not just sitting motionless while she pleasures us and not just vanilla girlfriend simulations. It’s porn, I want to see pornstars fuck like pornstars, not like mere mortals. I want to see stuff that most girls in real life don’t do, deepthroating, anal, group sex, dirty talk, rough sex, pornstars showing their skills.

                    Basically then I disagree with most people in this thread and really don’t want them to go down the road being asked for. That won’t entice more people to VR, it will just keep out the vast majority of porn fans who like something a little more adventurous in their sex scenes.

                    People are entitled to their opinions of course and I’m sure the same people will keep asking for the same intimate vanilla porn just as I will continue to advocate that they go more hardcore, not less. We all like different things and it would be cool if we got a mixture of everything or if VR porn could reach a level of popularity that individual sites could specialise. We’re not there yet though and making VR even further removed from the mainstream won’t help us get there.

                    I will say that I do like intimacy in scenes, I like kissing (when done well), I like girls whispering in your ear, I like it in cowgirl where the girl goes into a squat position and leans in close, face to face. However I also then like the guy to shove his dick down her throat and to get off his ass and fuck her while she begs and moans like slutty pornstar.

                      petermc Most people who watch porn watch 2D porn and that’s focused a lot on the penetration. When those people (i.e. me) come over to VR from 2D porn, we want to see the stuff we enjoyed in 2D porn with the same girls except we’re now in 3d and get that POV sense that it’s us in the scene fucking the girl.

                      Didn't we all start by watching 2d porn?

                      VR is totally different. You can see the girl on your lap, kissing you, making it feel like it's really me. You couldn't do that in 2d. So yes we might have liked looking at penetration in 2d because that is all we could see. We couldn't feel like it was me but just that I was watching 2 people have sex. VR is not the same at all. I'm not watching 2 people, I am one of the people.

                      I personally don't think that the first time someone new puts on a VR headset and watches a girl climb onto his lap. When she leans in on him like she would in real life thinks "I don't like this cause I can't see everything" That is not the point in VR.

                          rerun119 I appreciate that’s how you feel and a proportion of the VR porn community feel. It’s just not how I feel, that’s softcore porn to me if you can’t see penetration. It’s all subjective though and we all like what we like. I like the intimacy in the face to face positions to a certain degree but that’s not all I want from VR porn.

                          I just feel that the more you try to make VR porn this totally separate thing from mainstream porn, the less crossover there will be. It will just be this small number of people watching the same small number of sites and it will not grow. You have to do something for everyone and accept that not everyone will love every scene. So yes, there should absolutely be some scenes that really zero in on the intimacy and softcore girlfriend simulation side but there should also be stuff that caters to people who like super hardcore porn and some stuff in the middle. Maybe I’m wrong but that’s certainly how I would operate with the extremely limited number of VR porn consumers right now.

                          Your opinion is totally valid though, I’m not trying to fight with anyone, I just come from a different angle.

                              ableman it’s not always easy to do both. To go from “I love you baby, make love to me” to “fuck me like a dirty whore!” in the same scene. I think you should have some scenes that lean more one way, some at the other end of the spectrum and some that are a bit of both.

                                Will65 I think the problem is the wetsern mindset in general - users and directors seem more focused on dominance and action and less focused on intimacy and interaction. The general theme seems to be "I want to imagine myself totally banging this slut" which doesn't work well for VR

                                Will65 I think a couple of things changed that: cheap headsets, which left studios at the mercy of the masses, and the migration of traditional pornographers to the medium once the proof of concept was established.

                                Will65 It's a shame, really. Once a company decides they want to dominate the market (SLR) instead of producing artisan porn (CzechVR, VREdging, DeepInSex), they have to dumb their product down to cater to everyone.

                                petermc When those people (i.e. me) come over to VR from 2D porn, we want to see the stuff we enjoyed in 2D porn with the same girls except we’re now in 3d

                                Thanks for making my point for me.

                                Just because people come from one outlet to the other doesn't mean it's a great idea to change your product to conform to the demands of every new customer - especially when the things they want degrade your product into something it wasn't meant to be. Otherwise, you get a fabulous steakhouse that now sells Bic Macs because Billy Bob Mouthbreather was mad that he couldn't get what he wanted there and they couldn't stand to lose one customer.

                                petermc I just feel that the more you try to make VR porn this totally separate thing from mainstream porn, the less crossover there will be.

                                Good! Every time you get a monopoly on a product and adjust it down to appeal to the lowest common denominator, you get a shittier product. What is really needed is a seperate ecosystem for 3D porn. You can call a Big Mac a shredded steak sandwich all you want - it ain't what I came for. Same goes for VR - it is emphatically NOT 3D porn, and it is a real problem when the biggest player in the industry starts churning out nothing but that and influences the market standard. It is like textbook rules in the US - states like Texas change their rules so that you can only teach history in a certain way, or promote abstinence-only sex-ed, or whatever theocratic nonsense they are up to this week. Why should we care? Because textbook publishers are a monopoly, so they produce shit to the lowest common denominator (e.g., Texas) and that means every damn state gets shitty textbooks because of the dimwits in Texas. The more a site like SLR moves away from VR porn to embrace 3D porn, the more other sites will follow. It is almost never a good idea to try to cater to everyone, especially when you are talking about polarizing choices.

                                            Will65 In that analogy, if I’m a porn site, I’d rather be the McDonalds dominating the entire globe selling Big Macs to hundreds of millions of mouthbreather customers rather than a fabulous little steakhouse selling to about 50 people!

                                            You also keep using terms like “degrading” their content and “dumbing down” but one type of porn isn’t inherently better than the other, it’s all just personal taste. Yours is different to mine and that’s fine, I’m not looking for the stuff you like to stop getting made. I bet we both like quite a number of the same scenes even if we also disagree on others. I just think there’s room for variety as the VR porn industry is incredibly stagnant right now with the same old sites that have been around for years all putting out fairly similar content. Even some of those existing sites have had to merge to survive or put stuff on aggregator sites like SLR. Very few are able to stand on their own two feet and even fewer US based ones. It’s not a healthy area of the porn industry right now, hence most of the major porn companies have not made the jump to VR (aside from Naughty America and maybe Lethal Hardcore) and others have just dipped their toes in making subpar low quality stuff like Bang Bros. That’s undoubtedly partly down to the expensive kit you need to start watching VR porn though obviously.