I just want to see Belle Delphine in VR man
Do we really need OnlyFans Content?
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I can see both sides of the coin here, but I personally am highly unlikely to ever sub to an OF site, so for my own interest I would like the VR studio system to succeed. When someone I like leaves that system, I can be disappointed about it, that's my right, but my concern is that that system is healthy and respectful and safe and that every performer gets to make their own choices. Whatever they might be.
Well put! I already have enough (non-porn) subscriptions, and cannot justify to subscribe to a specific OF if I can spend the same amount on a platform like SLR that publishes daily videos and has a ton of well-produced and high-quality videos in their catalogue.
The same model applied to patreon - who feels they should support someone on patreon when for the same money you have access to the whole of spotify, or the whole of netflix?
I want to buy the product, not buy the performer
Would I like my favourite girls to all go off and make their own content only? Hell no! Would I blame them for doing that, being their own boss, keeping money from their own content? No I wouldn’t. Women are the VIP’s of the porn industry but are often treated like shit both physically and financially when working for others.
They can make fetish content on fan sites which major studios would never release and charge a premium for it as it is unique stuff you can’t get anywhere else. They can also charge hundreds or thousands for custom scenes where fans get to choose what they do in the scene. This thing about shaky cam and mobile phones is nonsense as well. It may be the case for rank amateurs but anyone who really focuses on this stuff as their career now use decent quality equipment. Some are able to make very good money too. More than they’d ever make from mainstream porn. It’s hard work though setting up your own shoots, buying all the lights, cameras, finding guys/girls to shoot with if you’re not a couple, editing the scene yourself, uploading it to the fan sites, advertising it to your fans, chatting to them in the sites or on twitter. It’s a full time commitment and a lot more work than just turning up to an arranged mainstream shoot, shooting the scene, getting paid and going home. Not every pornstar would want to do all that work.
Don’t get me wrong, there’s a lot of crap out there and I rarely subscribe to anyone’s page but there are occasionally instances where there is content that is only available on fan sites or clip sites and I have paid for individual scenes. For example, if people like their taboo scenes without the step element, the mainstream sites stopped allowing it years ago. The only place to get it was clip sites like Manyvids, Clips4Sale and eventually onlyfans and stuff like that. At one time you’d only really see US porn stars doing piss content or puke content on clip sites and onlyfans. The fan sites now though are starting to clamp down on more taboo content now too. Onlyfans has closed loads of girls pages down, clip sites have added more and more of the restrictions we see in mainstream porn. The girls who want to perform this fetish content are being pushed further and further into the outer reaches of the internet, even just selling stuff directly over email catalogues.
In answer to the question then, as mainstream porn becomes more and more vanilla and restricted in terms of what people are allowed to watch, fan sites are needed for those who want something else. Not necessarily something extreme either, just something mainstream porn doesn’t cater to.
My interests and money goes mainly on VR porn these days though so, unless these girls are able to shoot high quality VR clips on their sites, which will probably never happen, they won’t be getting a ton of my money.
Marge1994 What kills me is they expect people to pay $30 for a single video, and then when it gets posted to another site and everybody sees it and you realize it's typically amateur quality because they don't know wtf they're doing or they film with their dumbass boyfriend who's either too dumb to know what he's doing either or he's so into himself that he's somehow become the center of attention. I'd swear some of these OF guys are only with these women in these videos so they can jerk off to watching themselves later and to the knowledge other people had to watch them. There's an irrefutable level of narcissism from these guys in maybe the majority of OF porn. So not only are these women not making reasonably priced videos, they're not even making quality videos you can overpay for. They've essentially taken themselves out of the quality porn game.
BungaBunga This also encroaches on another point that nobody wants to talk about, but this fake relationship shit that OF models encourage is really begging for trouble. These fake relationships encourage real emotions from some guys and that can become real dangerous, real fast. Parasocial relationships are not healthy, especially in the conext of sexual relationships. Fortunately that danger hasn't become as prevalent as it inevitably will yet, but if OF keeps getting bigger and bigger and keeps drawing in more guys including those borderline guys who with enough direct engagement start getting stalkerish, then yeah, the "news story" shit's gonna become a lot more common. Those creeps that otherwise keep to themselves because no one engages with them are suddenly being engaged with on a level they probably have never felt in their life and that's dangerous. As OF gets bigger, things are going to worse in terms of safety before it ever gets better. I don't think most of the OF models realize that yet as they film from their bedroom and effectively doxx themselves once a dangerous and motivated individual takes notice.
OF sucks for the consumer and is also a ton riskier for a bunch of naive women ill-equipped to handle such dangers.
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I echo what BungaBunga said, perfectly summed up my thoughts on this interesting topic. However, I would like to add more thoughts. I also agree with some of what has been said in the other posts too.
My personal preference is crystal clear to me. I mentioned in another thread that all I have been watching for a very long time is VR porn only. Traditional porn doesn't satisfy me anymore, and OF content in general never attracted me. Specifically, I'm into to what people mostly call "Vanilla porn" which I believe is the most popular category. I tried different extreme things out of curiosity, but quickly abstained from watching them when I felt that I start becoming cold-hearted and it started affecting me irl.
When it comes to fan sites, it's six of one, half a dozen of the other, two ways. From the perspective of the content creators, OF may be better because they have more control and potentially higher pay. From the perspective of consumers, porn companies may be better because they offer a wider range of a better content at a lower cost. However, it's important for both adult content creators and consumers to respect each other's choices and not expect more than what they can afford/give. Frankly, it's a matter of personal preference and what works best for you. This takes me to the next point.
When I read Aidra Fox's tweet Marge1994, I found it both striking and provocative. I assume she wasn't at her best state of mind when she posted it, which may have led to her deleting it. However, I believe it was an honest expression of her feelings. In my opinion, I think that pornstars can avoid getting annoyed by certain fans by being clear about their boundaries and preferences in their profiles. Such as specifying 'OF only,' 'GG only,' 'Solo only,' etc. Unfortunately, many choose to keep it ambiguous in order to maximize their follower count because they're afraid of their 'the target audience' might get narrowed, which can lead to frustration on both sides. In contrast, if pornstars don't want to limit themselves and their specialties, they can't really get upset when fans ask for something that they don't offer.
personally im not going to pay crazy amounts for selfies and other low effort, low quality content that these girls self-produce and put on their own websites or onlyfans. mainstream porn sites are higher quality, better produced, better value and have more variety.
That is a really interesting topic! I have been thinking about this for a long time.
I am only subscribed to VR porn sites such as SLR, VRBangers, POVR and from time to time Naughty America (just for VR since they cast girls that I like). Since trying VR I really don't "need" mainstream porn sites anymore other then maybe rarely pornhub once a month.
Therefore I think with my subscription I pay a lot of money for porn already.
I also use Onlyfans and subscribe to some girls from time to time for different reasons. I am absolutely willing to support my favorite porn girls to a certain degree.
My reasons for OF are, that some girls just do OF today like Riley Reid, Mia Malkova and so on. So I at least buy a scene if they are not ridiculously overpriced. I'm not saying that the work of the girls isn't worth the money, but from a consumer point of view scenes for $25+ are just to expensive when I can get a monthly subscription for a website.
Although OF may be better for the performer, I think as a consumer the platform is bad. The Website is slow and has a horrible layout, overpriced scenes which are hard to find afterwards, The player sucks. And in my exüperience so many girls obviously use bots or other people answering their inbox and constantly ask for more money and tips, even if you just complent on their work or just bought a scene.
Since OF or fansites are here to stay, I just wish these performers would still shoot VR porn with other websites, since OF can't offer that.
I understand that they want to own their content and enough people are paying for it, so i doubt the landscape will change. I hope VR gets even more successful so sites like SLR can grow and offer a great alternative to attract OF performers more
Okay folks, I only see solid opinions here, and there's no shortage of strong viewpoints on both sides. and that poll is going so far as expected.
I've never subscribed to any fan site myself, so my knowledge is based on what I've heard from other people, including reviews and leaked clips that often surface within 48 hours of it's release, and also from what pornstars advertise for, which they're doing a pretty bad job at it. Like this Lana's tweet for example, which suggests that the main purpose of producing nudity and porn, is no longer just about "jerking yourself off", it doesn't interest me personally, and I wouldn't consider subscribing to unconventional and unjerkable content like this.
petergriff ...And if the internet has taught me anything its that there are a metric fuckton of dudes out there with seemingly infinite amounts of disposable income to throw at them...
That is an undeniable fact. People literally go to Chaturbate and enjoy spending money to activate the vibration on that Lovense toy or expect to have a particular reaction from the performers, have private voice calls, Skype sessions, request dick ratings or custom videos like some of you mentioned. I know I might sound a bit judgmental, but I'm just citing facts. However, I respect everyone's choices and needs. If this is what they want, then it's good for them. I usually like to support my opinion with some quotes and Freya Parker made a valid point about this:
AzgardCKJ I also use Onlyfans and subscribe to some girls from time to time for different reasons. I am absolutely willing to support my favorite porn girls to a certain degree.
I think supporting your favorite performers is one positive aspect of this whole debate. It can be seen as a way of showing appreciation for their work and what they've contributed to the industry, as long as it's done consensually and with full awareness of what you're paying for. Subscribing to a retired porn star's OnlyFans account and getting access to their self-created content can be a great way to show support without being fooled into thinking you have a real-life relationship with them, I like how ThePointyEnd refered to it as "Parasocial relationships". This noble aspect of support can be compared to what we see on other platforms like Twitch and YouTube.
As far as I have noticed, I believe that the excuse of leaving the porn industry for OnlyFans due to being exploited is one of the biggest clichés, at least for US models. Today, porn is more regulated than ever, and everything is done with contracts. Using agencies is always a good way to ensure all their rights. Some models do know their value and feel confident to go self-booking. This cliché could be more likely real across Europe, especially in Russia where porn production is illegal, and some industries/agencies do exploit models, but mostly at their debuts.
Overall, the way I see this exploitation is that major companies/agencies push their models to exit their comfort zone and try everything possible in porn (DP, sex machines, BDSM, some abuse, etc.), making them believe that this is the successful career of a pornstar. But in reality, they only care about satisfying the needs of their subscribers to keep them around. I think these models should be clear with themselves about what they are comfortable with and have enough courage to decline what they disagree with.
For those who claim that certain content is only available on OnlyFans due to restrictions imposed on mainstream companies, please enlighten us with an example or two. I hope you are not referring to the type of incest sex content where girls call their partner "daddy", because what I've seen out there is far from being creative and actually quite abusive. Furthermore, there are many mainstream companies, such as Throated, Facial Abuse, Hoby Buchanon, and many others, that produce content that can be extreme and even life-threatening for some models. This content can be dehumanizing, as evidenced by this BTS scene, which is just the tip of the iceberg. So what additional creative content could they produce and release on OnlyFans and can't be found nowhere else?
Can we all agree that everything produced on OnlyFans (excluding the custom services) cannot come close to the quality of content produced by major companies?
Marge1994 For those who claim that certain content is only available on OnlyFans due to restrictions imposed on mainstream companies, please enlighten us with an example or two.
As an example, in the early days of Onlyfans, before they started restricting everything, Jynx Maze started a page so she could put up crazy content that she liked to do but couldn’t do on mainstream sites. She put up one scene where she was blowing Mike Adriano until throwing up a ton of solid chunky puke all over him. He then fucked her ass until she shit on his dick and she then put the dirty dick straight in her mouth. Now obviously that scene is not to everyone’s taste but it’s an example. Onlyfans would never allow that now but there will be fan sites that do.
The aforementioned incest storyline scenes are also out there whether you think it’s right or not. Not actual incest obviously, just porn people acting, but acting as if they are actually related, not stepfamily. Again Onlyfans are just now starting to clamp down on this but other sites allow it.
You see other more harmless stuff out there though which is just fetishes that aren’t mainstream like girls popping balloons or giantism where the girl is a giant and the guy is a tiny little ant-sized dude.
People have all kinds of weird fetishes that turn them on and these girls cater to that, they often enjoy that fetish themselves as Jynx Maze proved with her scene.
I see a lot of models jumping ship to OnlyFans only recently and that is heartbreaking tbh, especially when you see one of your favorite actresses bounces. Back in the day, we used to ride with these ladies for a good ten years or more, watching them go from awkward teens to full-on MILFs. But now, most of them are in and out of the industry in just a couple of years, retiring when they're barely old enough to drink.
I don't know if this gen is getting too soft or these big companies are paying them too well to leave so soon. but something's definitely changed. Maybe these girls just get worn out from all the travel or doing those marathon porn shoots, lasting 5 to 10 hours straight per session. So they take breaks and start posting these dumb selfies or phone-shot solos on OF.
As for me, I'm content with regular porn. It gets the job done, and I can't afford to be throwing money at OF all the time since it doesn't fit into my monthly budget. Plus, there's more than enough amateur stuff on sites like Pornhub and Xhamster to keep me busy. So I won't even bother with OF.
We expect an option to interact with preformers on slr by the end of the year.
Otherswise the more preformers we get the better
Never understood how OnlyFans is so popular, they do not even show you what you are paying for before you buy it, it's all hidden away.
Clips4sale and similar sites actually show you what you are paying for with previews although it's on a per video basis.
SLR should consider adding 2 minute free (no login) sample videos for each clip similar to how VRBangers do, it'll likely attract more signups.
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Asking me to sub to an OF page because I like porn is like asking a fan of Iron Man to pay to watch Robert Downey Jr read a book in Starbucks. You'd have to really fucking love RDJ to support that crap, and it sure as shit ain't Iron Man.
BungaBunga Expecting people to support you directly because they are fans is the problem; sure, some will do that, it's what OF is for, but most people may enjoy a particular performer's content but not be fooled into thinking they can somehow have a real, direct relationship with them. That's a way in which OF, and social media more generally, exploits people. The 'if you liked me, you'd support me directly' thing is honestly a little grubby IMHO
This, exactly. I find that most OF models have a very exploitive attitude about their "fans" and their own value as a one-person show.
onlyfans is pretty regulated
but the girls HAVE more control of their finances...a few are grinding away at 20-35k a month. they can bank content that will be distributed later and effectively take as many vacations/breaks as they need to...and still get paid
not sure their concern is matching technical output quality of large companies, but with large companies, means they are probably making less.
most that i know? have 5 to 40k in equipment...so quality can be good.
unfortunately, see a lot of iphone clips...they are what they are. i try and get them to at least film it so it's full screen
lotta FREE ofan accts that are worth it....sometimes get a few pics a month that are just frigging wows
i hate most of the shit ever made professionally...they don't give a shit what i like. so customs possibilities are fun...till they start asking for 100bucks a minute 
at worst try and get them to 10bucks....that can be hard to do, but part of the fun of it all
my shit is all about super super close up...goose bumbs are a must.
BUT onlyfans is a shit company in general and shouldn't be trusted with much money....they have deleted a shit ton of locked content....which is a big no no in this game. thousands of bucks...they don't give a shit.
still need to use them for the communications aspects...if content is meaningful, get them to deliver it differently or on another service that treats it as sacrosanct...like it is. lots of money goes into it before getting to the actual payment for the content...that's that whole negotiation process. so it adds up
sometimes good ideas...shooting angles and so forth come from watching girls/couples on the site or sites like that
i take note of all that i can...sometimes it's just 10seconds of something that makes the lil peen twitch...just seeing the potential
had one just today, out of the blue, have such a clip. so much potential to be huge., but kinda unreachable. no matter how much you throw at them. they have their business plan and you either fall within it to throw money at them or not...they don't really care.
some do