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I echo what BungaBunga said, perfectly summed up my thoughts on this interesting topic. However, I would like to add more thoughts. I also agree with some of what has been said in the other posts too.

My personal preference is crystal clear to me. I mentioned in another thread that all I have been watching for a very long time is VR porn only. Traditional porn doesn't satisfy me anymore, and OF content in general never attracted me. Specifically, I'm into to what people mostly call "Vanilla porn" which I believe is the most popular category. I tried different extreme things out of curiosity, but quickly abstained from watching them when I felt that I start becoming cold-hearted and it started affecting me irl.

When it comes to fan sites, it's six of one, half a dozen of the other, two ways. From the perspective of the content creators, OF may be better because they have more control and potentially higher pay. From the perspective of consumers, porn companies may be better because they offer a wider range of a better content at a lower cost. However, it's important for both adult content creators and consumers to respect each other's choices and not expect more than what they can afford/give. Frankly, it's a matter of personal preference and what works best for you. This takes me to the next point.

When I read Aidra Fox's tweet Marge1994, I found it both striking and provocative. I assume she wasn't at her best state of mind when she posted it, which may have led to her deleting it. However, I believe it was an honest expression of her feelings. In my opinion, I think that pornstars can avoid getting annoyed by certain fans by being clear about their boundaries and preferences in their profiles. Such as specifying 'OF only,' 'GG only,' 'Solo only,' etc. Unfortunately, many choose to keep it ambiguous in order to maximize their follower count because they're afraid of their 'the target audience' might get narrowed, which can lead to frustration on both sides. In contrast, if pornstars don't want to limit themselves and their specialties, they can't really get upset when fans ask for something that they don't offer.

      personally im not going to pay crazy amounts for selfies and other low effort, low quality content that these girls self-produce and put on their own websites or onlyfans. mainstream porn sites are higher quality, better produced, better value and have more variety.

      That is a really interesting topic! I have been thinking about this for a long time.

      I am only subscribed to VR porn sites such as SLR, VRBangers, POVR and from time to time Naughty America (just for VR since they cast girls that I like). Since trying VR I really don't "need" mainstream porn sites anymore other then maybe rarely pornhub once a month.
      Therefore I think with my subscription I pay a lot of money for porn already.

      I also use Onlyfans and subscribe to some girls from time to time for different reasons. I am absolutely willing to support my favorite porn girls to a certain degree.
      My reasons for OF are, that some girls just do OF today like Riley Reid, Mia Malkova and so on. So I at least buy a scene if they are not ridiculously overpriced. I'm not saying that the work of the girls isn't worth the money, but from a consumer point of view scenes for $25+ are just to expensive when I can get a monthly subscription for a website.

      Although OF may be better for the performer, I think as a consumer the platform is bad. The Website is slow and has a horrible layout, overpriced scenes which are hard to find afterwards, The player sucks. And in my exüperience so many girls obviously use bots or other people answering their inbox and constantly ask for more money and tips, even if you just complent on their work or just bought a scene.

      Since OF or fansites are here to stay, I just wish these performers would still shoot VR porn with other websites, since OF can't offer that.
      I understand that they want to own their content and enough people are paying for it, so i doubt the landscape will change. I hope VR gets even more successful so sites like SLR can grow and offer a great alternative to attract OF performers more

        Okay folks, I only see solid opinions here, and there's no shortage of strong viewpoints on both sides. and that poll is going so far as expected.

        I've never subscribed to any fan site myself, so my knowledge is based on what I've heard from other people, including reviews and leaked clips that often surface within 48 hours of it's release, and also from what pornstars advertise for, which they're doing a pretty bad job at it. Like this Lana's tweet for example, which suggests that the main purpose of producing nudity and porn, is no longer just about "jerking yourself off", it doesn't interest me personally, and I wouldn't consider subscribing to unconventional and unjerkable content like this.

        petergriff ...And if the internet has taught me anything its that there are a metric fuckton of dudes out there with seemingly infinite amounts of disposable income to throw at them...

        That is an undeniable fact. People literally go to Chaturbate and enjoy spending money to activate the vibration on that Lovense toy or expect to have a particular reaction from the performers, have private voice calls, Skype sessions, request dick ratings or custom videos like some of you mentioned. I know I might sound a bit judgmental, but I'm just citing facts. However, I respect everyone's choices and needs. If this is what they want, then it's good for them. I usually like to support my opinion with some quotes and Freya Parker made a valid point about this:

        AzgardCKJ I also use Onlyfans and subscribe to some girls from time to time for different reasons. I am absolutely willing to support my favorite porn girls to a certain degree.

        I think supporting your favorite performers is one positive aspect of this whole debate. It can be seen as a way of showing appreciation for their work and what they've contributed to the industry, as long as it's done consensually and with full awareness of what you're paying for. Subscribing to a retired porn star's OnlyFans account and getting access to their self-created content can be a great way to show support without being fooled into thinking you have a real-life relationship with them, I like how ThePointyEnd refered to it as "Parasocial relationships". This noble aspect of support can be compared to what we see on other platforms like Twitch and YouTube.

                As far as I have noticed, I believe that the excuse of leaving the porn industry for OnlyFans due to being exploited is one of the biggest clichés, at least for US models. Today, porn is more regulated than ever, and everything is done with contracts. Using agencies is always a good way to ensure all their rights. Some models do know their value and feel confident to go self-booking. This cliché could be more likely real across Europe, especially in Russia where porn production is illegal, and some industries/agencies do exploit models, but mostly at their debuts.

                Overall, the way I see this exploitation is that major companies/agencies push their models to exit their comfort zone and try everything possible in porn (DP, sex machines, BDSM, some abuse, etc.), making them believe that this is the successful career of a pornstar. But in reality, they only care about satisfying the needs of their subscribers to keep them around. I think these models should be clear with themselves about what they are comfortable with and have enough courage to decline what they disagree with.

                For those who claim that certain content is only available on OnlyFans due to restrictions imposed on mainstream companies, please enlighten us with an example or two. I hope you are not referring to the type of incest sex content where girls call their partner "daddy", because what I've seen out there is far from being creative and actually quite abusive. Furthermore, there are many mainstream companies, such as Throated, Facial Abuse, Hoby Buchanon, and many others, that produce content that can be extreme and even life-threatening for some models. This content can be dehumanizing, as evidenced by this BTS scene, which is just the tip of the iceberg. So what additional creative content could they produce and release on OnlyFans and can't be found nowhere else?

                Can we all agree that everything produced on OnlyFans (excluding the custom services) cannot come close to the quality of content produced by major companies?

                  Marge1994 For those who claim that certain content is only available on OnlyFans due to restrictions imposed on mainstream companies, please enlighten us with an example or two.

                  As an example, in the early days of Onlyfans, before they started restricting everything, Jynx Maze started a page so she could put up crazy content that she liked to do but couldn’t do on mainstream sites. She put up one scene where she was blowing Mike Adriano until throwing up a ton of solid chunky puke all over him. He then fucked her ass until she shit on his dick and she then put the dirty dick straight in her mouth. Now obviously that scene is not to everyone’s taste but it’s an example. Onlyfans would never allow that now but there will be fan sites that do.

                  The aforementioned incest storyline scenes are also out there whether you think it’s right or not. Not actual incest obviously, just porn people acting, but acting as if they are actually related, not stepfamily. Again Onlyfans are just now starting to clamp down on this but other sites allow it.

                  You see other more harmless stuff out there though which is just fetishes that aren’t mainstream like girls popping balloons or giantism where the girl is a giant and the guy is a tiny little ant-sized dude.

                  People have all kinds of weird fetishes that turn them on and these girls cater to that, they often enjoy that fetish themselves as Jynx Maze proved with her scene.

                      I see a lot of models jumping ship to OnlyFans only recently and that is heartbreaking tbh, especially when you see one of your favorite actresses bounces. Back in the day, we used to ride with these ladies for a good ten years or more, watching them go from awkward teens to full-on MILFs. But now, most of them are in and out of the industry in just a couple of years, retiring when they're barely old enough to drink.

                      I don't know if this gen is getting too soft or these big companies are paying them too well to leave so soon. but something's definitely changed. Maybe these girls just get worn out from all the travel or doing those marathon porn shoots, lasting 5 to 10 hours straight per session. So they take breaks and start posting these dumb selfies or phone-shot solos on OF.

                      As for me, I'm content with regular porn. It gets the job done, and I can't afford to be throwing money at OF all the time since it doesn't fit into my monthly budget. Plus, there's more than enough amateur stuff on sites like Pornhub and Xhamster to keep me busy. So I won't even bother with OF.

                      Never understood how OnlyFans is so popular, they do not even show you what you are paying for before you buy it, it's all hidden away.

                      Clips4sale and similar sites actually show you what you are paying for with previews although it's on a per video basis.

                      SLR should consider adding 2 minute free (no login) sample videos for each clip similar to how VRBangers do, it'll likely attract more signups.

                        jommy OF is similar to Netflix. Go to their homepage and it's surprisingly barren, but people know and OF reached this critical mass early (not to mention most creators pushing their content hard on various social media channels).

                          Asking me to sub to an OF page because I like porn is like asking a fan of Iron Man to pay to watch Robert Downey Jr read a book in Starbucks. You'd have to really fucking love RDJ to support that crap, and it sure as shit ain't Iron Man.

                            BungaBunga Expecting people to support you directly because they are fans is the problem; sure, some will do that, it's what OF is for, but most people may enjoy a particular performer's content but not be fooled into thinking they can somehow have a real, direct relationship with them. That's a way in which OF, and social media more generally, exploits people. The 'if you liked me, you'd support me directly' thing is honestly a little grubby IMHO

                            This, exactly. I find that most OF models have a very exploitive attitude about their "fans" and their own value as a one-person show.

                              Marge1994

                              onlyfans is pretty regulated

                              but the girls HAVE more control of their finances...a few are grinding away at 20-35k a month. they can bank content that will be distributed later and effectively take as many vacations/breaks as they need to...and still get paid

                              not sure their concern is matching technical output quality of large companies, but with large companies, means they are probably making less.

                              most that i know? have 5 to 40k in equipment...so quality can be good.

                              unfortunately, see a lot of iphone clips...they are what they are. i try and get them to at least film it so it's full screen

                              lotta FREE ofan accts that are worth it....sometimes get a few pics a month that are just frigging wows

                              i hate most of the shit ever made professionally...they don't give a shit what i like. so customs possibilities are fun...till they start asking for 100bucks a minute 🙂 at worst try and get them to 10bucks....that can be hard to do, but part of the fun of it all

                              my shit is all about super super close up...goose bumbs are a must.

                                  BUT onlyfans is a shit company in general and shouldn't be trusted with much money....they have deleted a shit ton of locked content....which is a big no no in this game. thousands of bucks...they don't give a shit.

                                  still need to use them for the communications aspects...if content is meaningful, get them to deliver it differently or on another service that treats it as sacrosanct...like it is. lots of money goes into it before getting to the actual payment for the content...that's that whole negotiation process. so it adds up

                                  sometimes good ideas...shooting angles and so forth come from watching girls/couples on the site or sites like that

                                  i take note of all that i can...sometimes it's just 10seconds of something that makes the lil peen twitch...just seeing the potential

                                  had one just today, out of the blue, have such a clip. so much potential to be huge., but kinda unreachable. no matter how much you throw at them. they have their business plan and you either fall within it to throw money at them or not...they don't really care.

                                  some do

                                  Marge1994
                                  The problem isn't that the girls are selling their own content instead of shooting for big companies. The porblem is that in 99% of the cases the self-made content isn't only extremely costly but also simply pretty bad. There are no production values to these scenes, no good angles, no good settings, no good lighting, no nothing. They just suck. And you're supposed to pay like 30 bucks minimum for a 20 minutes amateur scenes? Well, no, thanks.

                                  Pornstars like Aidra apparently don't understand that I'm not here for supporting anybody, I'm here for wanking one off. I'd like to do it while watching one of Aidra's scenes because she's a hottie but there are a lot of other hotties out there that I can wank to for like 30 bucks a month instead of 30 bucks a scene. That's the simply truth. If they can find guys who are willing to pay big money to watch crappy scenes with only them good for these girls. But they shouldn't blame porn viewers who are not willing to do that.

                                    OF is fishy concept to begin with. Most people subscribe to certain pornstars because they think that the subscription will give them access to actual sexy content which is almost never the case though. With a basic subscription for like 10 to 30 bucks a month you only get access to some pics etc. You want to watch sexy videos? Well, you have to pay extra for every single one of them. But they don't really tell you much about these scenes anyway. You expect preview pics etc? No way, just give them 30 bucks for a 10 minutes amateur clip. No money back of course.

                                    It's incredibly how exploitive and manipulative OF and most pornstars on it are. It's indeed a business for them and they don't give a fuck about you - the loyal fan - at all. I was subscribed to quite a few bigger and smaller stars and it's almost the same everywhere. That's why I left OF alltogether. It's just not worth it. You really don't get much for your money. Disciples of Desire was probably the only noticable exception, but they're actually a production company and not a single pornstar or "content creator".

                                      Marge1994 I like how ThePointyEnd refered to it as "Parasocial relationships".

                                      There is an extensive psychologial literature on parasocial relationships, dating back to the 1950s and the advent of television as mass communication.

                                      Mass Communication and Parasocial Interaction: Observations on Intimacy at a Distance (1956)

                                      They are generally defined as one-sided relationships, where one person extends emotional energy, interest and time, and the other party, the persona, is completely unaware of the other's existence. Pretty much describes OnlyFans and social media "influencers", eh? Except that in the age of television and movies, parasocial relations didn't get too out of hand for most people. Today, though - just like so very much of the internet - this psychological vulnerability is deliberately exploited to manipulate emotions, create the illusion of intimacy, and separate you from your money.

                                          When I first opened this thread, I was convinced that I didn't need to subscribe to anyone on OnlyFans, and I'm still trying to convince myself otherwise, and find something worth subscribing for. When it comes to VR, sooner or later, fan sites content creators gonna consider filming some of those, but I believe that the best we can get from them is something similar to this studio 'AsiansexdiaryVR' (kudos to that studio, still at least getting the most rare and uncommon Asian girls ever)

                                          petermc Jynx Maze started a page so she could put up crazy content that she liked to do but couldn’t do on mainstream sites. She put up one scene where she was blowing Mike Adriano until throwing up a ton of solid chunky puke all over him. He then fucked her ass until she shit on his dick and she then put the dirty dick straight in her mouth.

                                          Yeah man, that is a great description of that scene. I almost pictured the whole thing. It kinda reminded me of the 'Two Girls One Cup' movie. However, there are companies out there that produce this specific category of 'Scat porn'. Btw, when I said 'incest porn' before, I wasn't being judgy or saying that they shouldn't produce such content. I'm just not paying for an OF subscription for that specific reason because there are companies that specialize in this category as well.

                                          The whole idea is more about exclusivity. So if you want to see Jynx Maze specifically doing that, you can go to her page. I've also seen girls doing exclusive first DP scene or other stuff like anal defloration and making it exclusive. But, we can still find defloration content on other sites, unless we're looking for a specific name. Like I said before, exclusive content, whether on OnlyFans or other companies, can be easily leaked here and there. It's just a matter of time, and DMCA can't go behind all those leakers because they keep coming.

                                          spanker i hate most of the shit ever made professionally...they don't give a shit what i like. so customs possibilities are fun...till they start asking for 100bucks a minute

                                          It's interesting how different people have their own unique preferences. For some, professionally made content is what they enjoy the most, while for others, the personalized touch of a custom video is what they find most appealing. Personally, I can see the appeal of both, but ultimately, I tend to lean towards professionally made content.

                                              LordCrash OF is fishy concept to begin with. Most people subscribe to certain pornstars because they think that the subscription will give them access to actual sexy content which is almost never the case though. With a basic subscription for like 10 to 30 bucks a month you only get access to some pics etc. You want to watch sexy videos? Well, you have to pay extra for every single one of them.

                                              Wow, I had no idea that subscribing to OnlyFans only gives you access to a limited amount of content. It's important to be aware of these hidden costs and understand what you're paying for before subscribing. That is one more incovient.

                                              Hunky-Dory Losing Dakota Tyler to onlyfans was heartbreaking, 100% the best newcomer in years.

                                              I believe that Dakota is following one of the most genius strategies in business, which is the law of supply and demand. When compared to Lily Chey AKA Guerlain, who I find to be very close in terms of beauty and body shape, Lily made it clear from the beginning that she only does erotic nudes and solos, unlike Dakota who has a wider range of content and has already shot scenes with companies. Don't worry, I believe that sooner or later, Dakota will likely return, and when she does, her rates will be 10 or even more times higher than the highest rates currently being offered. Companies will obviously want to work with her since she is the most requested girl, and the first company to release her first scene upon her return will gain hundreds, if not thousands, of new subscribers on the first day. Unless she gets married to some Elon Musk and stops porn for good lol

                                              Will65 There is an extensive psychologial literature on parasocial relationships, dating back to the 1950s and the advent of television as mass communication....

                                              Damn! I felt like that was pretty accurate. It is important to be aware of this vulnerability and to approach these interactions with caution, so as not to fall victim to emotional manipulation or financial exploitation. I guess I'm lucky that my own relationship with pornstars ends when the scene is over or when I take off my headset.