7 min watchtime of 1h long videos - Something must be wrong about it

Will65

rerun119 Exactly. As I said yesterday - this happens every time a company tries to dominate a market. They bleed money trying to become the sole player, and as soon as they do, they cut quality to the bone and give cutomers the minimum. Sometimes an artisan will try to re-intoduce a quality product, but quality products cost money and by then people have gotten used to the cheap plastic shit the market leader is producing and they cant get enough traction. Capitalism at it's finest - appeal to the lowest common denominator, and fuck anyone who wants a quality product because its all about the almighty PROFIT.

Welcome to the Walmart of porn.

EDIT: I can imagine the boss thinking "FUCK YEAH - Walmart makes a buttload of money!" while completely missing that people HATE Walmart.

Sperson

Will65 it seems like you have the winning recipe. I look forward to your artisan porn company.

It’s easy to have idea, but it’s very hard to turn an idea into a successful product.

Jeff Bezos

Nobody is giving this shit away for free. Of course the object is to make money, and cost cutting is one way to do that but given the level of innovation going onto the SLR platform and tooling they don’t seem like they are cost cutting to me.

RockyMtHigh

Will65 I'm with you for the most part but I genuinely enjoy SLR's content, so I am probably just going to take a step back from the forums before he bans me for calling him unprofessional some more.

Sperson

RockyMtHigh what about customers who are rude to said business owners? How do you feel about them? Do they have a right to be rude or should they participate in civil discourse and air their grievances in a productive manner - or better yet, provide solutions to problems they see rather than direct attacks on the character or others?

Personally I’m surprised you are still in the forum given some of the rude and unproductive comments I see you post. I’ve banned customers from my product’s forum for similar behavior.

The best advice I ever got was “don’t come to me with problems, only come to me with solutions.”Perhaps if you see a problem try coming with a way to solve that problem rather than a frustrated attack?

RockyMtHigh

Sperson they don’t really have a right to or not to be rude. I agree that discourse is best. That said, Business owners should know how to communicate (or simply ignore) rude commentary. It’s really not that hard to politely reply to critique.

That’s what I’m talking about, not the product or anything, he’s just a bad look. The solution is to be kind and stop trolling his own customers lol. That’s not a crazy idea, it’s common business acumen.

I’m a business owner as well, seeing how he and others interact with paying customers aka the most important people to a business is unacceptable. I wouldn’t have it in my company, but I am careful who I hire for PR. If you honestly don’t see issues with his communication style, I guess we can just agree to disagree.

I don’t really care anymore tbh, his response to me mentioning professionalism was to fuck off, so I think it’s a lost cause and I’m just going to use this site for its intended purpose lol.

Sperson

RockyMtHigh given your statement that they (the customer) don’t really have the right to be rude, then I challenge you to back through your comment history and review some of your comments. Perhaps some of your opinions may have provoked the types of responses you dislike.

With the location of the company I’m guessing @doublevr may be ESL and sometimes the context of the question could be lost in translation.

And to be clear, I’m not a business owner, I am a software Product Manager for a very large software company that you may have heard of.

Sperson

LordCrash I agree, sometimes a little more context may be helpful in understanding the thought process. What the problem to be solved or feature to be added, why it’s important to us the users, and what feedback they are looking for from us.

Unless that is the purpose of these threads is simply to generate conversation and see where things go organically then separate the wheat from the chaff (productive suggestions, from the negative comments) because I mean you look at some of these threads @doublevr can easily generate 100 comments in a couple days from only posting a sentence or two, and even if only 5-10 of those are productive it’s still generating useful data.

spacepirate

Sperson @doublevr can easily generate 100 comments in a couple days from only posting a sentence or two, and even if only 5-10 of those are productive it’s still generating useful data.

useful data that is completely ignored while they plow ahead with what they... not their users... want

RockyMtHigh

Sperson let me rephrase, no matter how rude a customer is, business owners should have the soft skills to communicate with them, or the maturity to ignore. Maybe that’s not expected in this industry, idk.

If you disagree, that’s fine. People operate businesses differently. If it is an ESL thing, he should learn from the hundreds of comments he receives from multiple people about how his lack of explanation just made it look bad.

Silly conversation for a porn site though, I’m out, have a good one.

damian

I'd say most men when they watch porn they have a set of positions they enjoy (varies a lot between people)... some even like it in a particular order and be done.

A feature for you guys to consider would be to create your own "personalised experience" where the customer can configure all the positions he like with a duration set that they prefer... just once.

Blow job (4 min)
Missionairy (3 min)
Blow job (1 min)
Doggystyle (2 min)
...

The moment you click a video and choose "personalised experience".. it will play the video based on your preferences and order in a Tiktok-y fashion. Even more amazing is if you could populate an extra feed with all the videos that match your preferences that contains all the positions with the durations to "create" that personalised video on the fly.

Just an idea but in general I wouldn't engage this idea too much. The reason why watchtime is 7 minutes over an hour video is the fact that the positions men enjoy varies a lot. I might love "prone bone" but another guy might hate it and skip instant. One person loves the talking and another person thinks its filler BS and goes straight to action.

Don't blindly stare at data but contextualize it to your business use case and target audience.

someoneX

damian In my case it also depends on the girl. If she's a really good actor, I enjoy long intros, if she has nice labia leaned back cowgirl girl gets much more interesting, doggy needs a nice ass and/or back, etc.

Also the cue points at the moment are not good enough in all cases. Sometimes the positions don't match the tags or the timestamp is slightly wrong.

petermc

It’s interesting that, when I politely commented on a couple of scenes that 2 hours plus was too long for a porn scene, I got downvoted and criticised to death and yet now people are admitting they just skip to the bits they want to see.

I personally would like to be able to have the immersive experience of watching a scene from start to finish as it’s intended to be watched but I’m never going to sit through two hours. It’s just a waste of time and money to make stuff that long as practically no one will ever sit through it.

I’d much rather they used their time getting the camera positions correct and optimal for each sexual position rather than just shooting for hours in a couple of fixed camera positions. At the moment they don’t really seem to care about optimal camera position, they have so much to shoot in a short length of time that they just need to get as much as they can out of each camera position to limit how many times they have to move the camera and reset everything.

I’m not saying I want 7 or 8 minute scenes but they shouldn’t be over an hour imo. You should be able to set the scene in about 10 minutes or so (if it’s just fucking your girlfriend, then even less) and then 30-40 min sex is more than enough to cover blowjob/cowgirl/missionary/doggy if those are the positions you want to include.

argyle43

petermc ten people commenting doesn’t equate to general preference. I may spend 3, 7, or 45 minutes in a two hour Nash masterpiece … all depending on how much I’ve got in me and if I had started on that scene or it took four other scenes to get me there. I’m still one who’s very happy to have a large amount of content to choose from in that scene. And yes one day I might get off on an exquisite tease opener, and another day I might skip straight to the Mish section. Choose your own adventure is a beautiful thing, and I’m one to change things up often, and I like to combine scenes to create larger fantasies and themes depending on where my fantasy mind is that day (or hour of that day if it’s a third session). Fact that there’s two hours of footage to choose from is a real value add to me personally.

I still downvote your sentiment - ten times over if I could. Not you personally, but I strongly disagree with leaving perfectly good porn content on the editing room floor, or not filming it in the first place.

@alexnash please keep doing what you do sir.

spacepirate

petermc i suggested shorter scenes a while back too... not <10 min scenes but more like 30-60 mins. enough for a bit of an intro for the people that want that (not me) and then like 5-10 mins in each position. surely we dont need scenes with 20+ min intros and 15+ mins of the same position. outside of harem scenes i dont see much of a case for 1+ hour scenes frankly...

petermc

argyle43 the original post however does point to a general preference.

It is not a straight line from average time spent in a scene = people want shorter scenes, of course. An average figure will probably take into account a ton of people who click on the video, decide they’re not into girl after a couple of minutes and click out again i.e people who don’t actually watch the video. The nature of porn also means some people will watch for a few minutes, jerk off and then, once they’ve finished, they obviously don’t continue watching! I doubt you’ll find too many people though who regularly sit down to watch a 2 hour plus scene. You used to get whole porn features (probably still do) with a story and 5 or 6 scenes in that last 2 hours in total.

I just think if you spend less time shooting footage, you have more time to perfect and vary the footage you are shooting (quality over quantity) and more people will be able to enjoy the whole experience rather than getting bored and skipping to the next bit.

Just my opinion though, yours is equally valid.

argyle43

…All that said, there’s nothing wrong with adding to variety. I’m sure putting together the occasional two hour film with the same performer(s) that was made up of five separate 25 minute scenes with beginning, middle, and ends story-wise, and different outfits, storylines, and positions focused on could me an interesting change of pace and give others what they ask for: manageable full experiences. More preparation and more work to be sure, but it would definitely be different. Actually this is precisely what JAV often does, but few on these forums seem willing to pay attention to the brilliance of JAV directors, and there’s of course that other aspect to JAV that we dare not mention 😏

petermc

argyle43 I didn’t see this post when I made mine. I think it would be awesome to have a two hour movie like the old Jenna Jameson style porn with a story and multiple scenes. Not sure how doable that would be in VR but they kind of do this in Dezyred with their interactive movies.

rerun119

argyle43 Taboo VR Porn does kind of what you are talking about. I really like them for this very fact

Vrsumo2017

Vrsumo2017 Has there ever been a scene where the model is actually there to please the viewer the guy with the vr headset on.

I'll just reply to my self

No not that i ever seen and i watch a lot of vrp... BUT! vrhush just filmed a slim thick scene and she acknowledged the viewer with the headset on and said let's get threw this scene together!

https://vrhush.com/scenes/vrh0414_slimthickvik_oliverdavis_180?nats=MzAwMDAyNDYuMy43MS4xODQuNS4wLjAuMC4w

My reply

Cool! Thanks
I just saw the trailer and it looks great, love the cool music with her showing off her body having a good time, and then she acknowledged me the viewer. I like that! we need more scene like that! A studio dedicated to the viwer with the headset on acknowledgement, let the models speak to us naturally instead of them having to come with some lines for the role they are playing. A Studio can be called YouVR.

It's you your headset and the hot models. 👍

"Acknowledge Me" 😏 ...the guy with the vr headset on.

dojimmy

Vrsumo2017
didn't wankz or milfz do something like that? was a very long time ago, before povr. I'm sure I remember seeing something along those lines.
Could well have dreamt it though, vr porn before bed does give me wild porny dreams sometimes.

petermc

Vrsumo2017 I’m not totally sure that I get what you mean as I haven’t seen that scene yet. In VR POV scenes we are supposed to be the guy in the room so she is always talking to us. Are you talking about her acknowledging that we’re not really there and talking to us as a porn viewer sat at home? Not sure I’d be too much into that.

It can work in voyeur scenes when the girl looks into the camera instead of at the guy she’s fucking and talks directly to us at home. In POV scenes though, it kind of breaks the illusion of us actually being the guy she’s fucking.

mebejoe

Will65 Welcome to our nightmare

"Nightmare" is a little dramatic. 😉

I've been a member of this website for years, before SLR Originals were being made, and not sure how long before that.

SLR is still my favorite website and I'm pretty sure it will be for years to come.

The team does a great job!

But still--@doublever must be working too hard, because some of his posts seem like he resents the way subscribers use the website or something. That's strange.

Vrsumo2017

petermc Are you talking about her acknowledging that we’re not really there and talking to us as a porn viewer sat at home?

Yes, cuz she's talking to the me the vr viewer not me the plumber or massage therapist, or what ever role the model guy is there suppose to be, those are fine I love it all, never change that...that will always be there.

But a studio dedicated to that idea, its you in vr the model acknowledges the fact your in vr and both of you are there for sum virtual pornstar experience.

If I were to do a vr productions like that I'd start the logo intro with a vr headset being put on and then studio name comes in YouVR.

Model walks in. Oh look, looks who here for a vr porn experience, I bet your wife or girlfriends is away or maybe you just need to relieve sum stress, bust one? , you needs sum vr time huh? Your vr games got boring huh? Instantly she referring to you, me, us the vr porn viwer.

Idk, just an idea 💡

Vrsumo2017

petermc It can work in voyeur scenes when the girl looks into the camera instead of at the guy she’s fucking and talks directly to us at home.

I like that idea too, I like when the models look into the cam during voyeurs scenes. 👍

petermc

Vrsumo2017 Ah, now I understand what you mean. That actually sounds like it could be pretty cool.

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