Only 8% of users re-watch at least 60 sec of the same videos in 2 month

RockyMtHigh

Premium tier and regular tier. Problem solved.

argyle43

Whole lot of discussion here. It’s hard to know what lies at the heart of all this - what exactly is motivating what - but I hope that wise people in the know are absorbing all of these vastly differing points of view to create the best experience for the widest numbers of faithful subscribers and maximizes the full potential of this great VR Porn provider. And that is the last I’m going to say on this one. It’s definitely a big topic.

Will65

I can, right now, very easily, download absolutely anything and everything on this site at a moment's notice from torrent sites. The only reason I paid for a subscription on this site was:

To support SLR Originals, which were the highest quality and best shot immersive GFE in the industry. Emphasis on WERE, as they have moved away from that pretty strongly - and to their detriment.
To support the excellent scripting being done by SLR scripters. This is still great, and seems to be improving in volume.

It is worth it to me to pay to support these things, and download my videos from here instead.

If SLR were to continue to restrict downloads - or eliminate them - this site would instantly not be worth it. Why in the world would I want to give my money to a site that treats its paying customers this way, and openly lies to and mocks their customers in open forums? I'm not sure if the boss or the community managers quite realize the level of technical expertise of the majority of folks that are so invested in VR that we spend a lot of time on these boards, but I promise you that it is higher than you think. Manipulative arguments, cherry picked data, poorly presented graphs (with nonsensical comparisons), and locking threads when you are losing an argument don't impress us. I won't suffer from cancelling if this happens - you will. I will still be able to get all the porn I want, and I can spend the saved SLR subscription monies contracting with scripters to script my favorites. The only that changes for me is where the money is going. You don't seem to uinderstand how many people are paying you simply out of good will, as we can easily obtain your product free. And please, don't go on about how you're going to stop piracy. People have been trying to stop piracy since the inception of the floppy disk, and no one has managed it yet. Most have only accomplished what you are doing: pissing off your paying customers while not impacting the non-paying customers even a little.

I do not for the life of me understand why you continue to push customers away as hard as you can. The people paying you are not your enemy.

spanker

IF you find a video that you really like and use? you better frigging download it or have the name of it to find later...you never know when the credit card companies are going to ask for a NEW round of cuts and all your favorite use clips are going to be gone.

think i downloaded about a hundred clips last year after that happened. i probably watch 3.

even if downloaded? i will still stream it if on the site.

LordCrash

Aerowen I really hope this doesn't happen as I don't see why we should have to pay extra for using less resources/bandwidth than the streaming users. Most VR sites just offer downloads, imo it's the streaming that's the premium thing on SLR in addition to the downloads every other site offers. If anything streaming is the more costly thing, maintaining servers, re-encoding for stream qualities, app development, etc.

It's not only for downloads but better quality downloads that apparently require special encoding. Right now the downloads are simple for the tuned down streaming files. I'd gladly pay extra for being able to use the site to its full potential and for maximum quality. I understand that this is an issue for other people on a tighter budget but then again I'm talking about an enthusiast option for a completely luxury item/service here.

dojimmy

LordCrash
We are already paying a premium to be spoken to like dirt by staff on this forum, but If these premium options allows us to block certain forum managers, id be down. If that were an option I'd glady pay more.

spanker

if they need more resources and money...raise the rate up.

Rakly3

The average watch time is about 10 minutes.
The average video length is over 1h

Streaming 10 minutes = 10 minutes of download data.
Downloading a video = watching entire video in data.

So, let's say the average user watches about 1 hour per month in streaming data.
vs someone who downloads 50, or 100 videos in the same month. That's 50 to 150 months worth of SLR for the other user.

Aerowen But streaming uses way more so that can't be it...

No they don't, see reply above your quote.

Please don't take this as insulting, it is not meant like that.
But you are arguing with wrong assumptions.

someoneX

Rakly3 And what happens if you only pay the studios for 10 minutes of streaming per month/user, after pushing the download users away? They earn much less money and won't offer their content anymore.

It doesn't matter to studios how you internally calculate your download and streaming times - they only care about the net result for providing you all the content and losing direct sales by doing that.

So you would ultimately have to raise the payment per streaming minute and won't keep the additional profit yourself. You only lose customers and push them to direct studio subscriptions, other aggregator sites or even piracy.

Piracy would be the worst case, because it doesn't only affect SLR but the VR porn market as a whole - that money is lost for the industry. But that's what happens if the industry fails to provide what the users want. They ask themselves why they should support an industry that doesn't want them.

At the end of the day, you only hurt your market share, by alienating a very active user group. The problem is that this user group is not only highly active in terms of downloads, but also in porn communities. And they will discourage new users from joining SLR. I doubt the saved bandwidth will cover that loss.

LordCrash

Rakly3 The average watch time is about 10 minutes.

Maybe quite a few people watch only a few minutes of a scene via streaming in order to find out whether the scene is worth downloading and afterwards they either download it or not?

So many possiblities and so little knowledge of how to properly interpret statistics around here...

Aerowen

Yeah I feel like we're at the Netflix-level of looking at stats and drawing wild conclusions, resulting in cancelling great shows just because it wasn't binge viewed enough within the first two days, shit like that.

Rakly3 The average watch time is about 10 minutes.

Like this is not enough to mean anything, there's no context, is it even interpreted right? There are lots of reasons why that might be the number for avg watch time.

Is that 10mins for a full "session" or only per scene? I.E. are people not simply watching shorter good parts of multiple scenes in a row for much longer than 10mins?
Does this include guest viewers? (who can only watch a short preview trailer iirc?).
- Or downloaders who just check to see if a scene is broken, weirdly scaled or actually worthy of a download?
- Even stream-users will browse, scan and skip from clip to clip to see if it's worth watching, lowering averages because of high quantity, low quality library...
Wouldn't a percentage of total scene duration be a better stat? Like how much of a % is the avg watch time of the total length of scenes (Some great studios have shorts scenes like StripsVR, StasyQVR that are usually 10mins or less)

I don't expect to get answers here but really the random "stats" being posted are severely lacking in detail to make any kind of conclusions, plus the graphs I've seen are either really badly made or downright misleading, or at least misrepresented to support a bias view. Just because you have some analytics data doesn't mean you're a statistical data analyst (well maybe SLR has hired one by now). So not to be insulting but really everything you guys are posting needs to be taken with a truckload of salt and a healthy dose of scepticism.

Obviously the majority are really casual users but every service is going to have that and overall it should balance out. Saying a downloader is using 10x vs an average user just shows the odd comparisons going on... I dunno it seems you're all looking at stats without fully understanding them and have been slowly turning hostile to the high-end users, whom are very likely the same people who have been subbed from the start. It's not a good look. And what's the end goal of it all, you can't be expecting the more hardcore fans to take up casual behavior? Even at a couple hours/month that's just not worth it the admission price.

doublevr

Rakly3 Streaming 10 minutes = 10 minutes of download data.
Downloading a video = watching entire video in data.

That's not the right context to see things. Has absolutely nothing to do with downloads, but new format of how we structure video. I believe the future of SLR is more into TikTok kinda things.

Full length videos are not going anywhere. It's just that we will try to cut them into more exciting format

Rakly3

someoneX You must think SLR is pretty small 😉

someoneX

Rakly3 “All empires fall eventually. It is the way of things.” Being a pioneer and market leader is a great opportunity, but a few wrong business decisions and you are the next AOL or Yahoo.

Rakly3

It's not like we can't see the total watch time of users or amount of data they've used.
But what do I know, you seem to know the data, test cases and studies better than us. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Rakly3

someoneX You keep on demonstrating your ignorance. Who says SLR is our main business?

LordCrash

Rakly3
Maybe you (or your boss) should start a real thread with real data then instead of these bullshit threads with only two buzzwords connecting two single data points without any proof of correlation...

But what do I know, maybe these threads are great for your business, users seem to love them...

dojimmy

Now your saying you know how many time we watch a scene we download, when many of us dont even use the slr or deo players to view downloads. If you actually think anyone here is buying that then your making it pretty obvious your main business is playing the fool on this forum.
🤣 🤣 🤣

LordCrash

dojimmy Well, they do know how much data people are downloading, that's for sure.

But still, they're taking data and interpret something into it that might be there - or maybe not.

And I don't know which "studies" we speak about here, I never heard of any such study and I've been watching VR porn for years and I've been active on such porn forums for years.

Will65

doublevr Oh my lord. Now you're going to cut up vieos into 10-minute segments to become the TikTok of porn instead of the Netflix of porn? You do realize that TikTok is braindead lowest common denominator trash, right?

Btw - we already have cut up, short versions of porn vids - they are called previews, and we don't have to pay for a sub for that.

Niteflyte

doublevr "I believe the future of SLR is more into TikTok kinda things."

Bruh, I can almost feel the current of the pirate community building from this comment. Isn't SLR doing well right now? Why on this green Earth would you want to ruin that? It's like you've got a 5 star steakhouse and are going table to table telling your clientele that you're think of going the happy meal route. One way to ensure that people pirate is to make content difficult to use/consume. If someone wants to buy an MP3 for example, they don't want to have it linked to Apple or Amazon, so that their usage is constricted. They want to be able to use that song on their own devices (generally speaking) and if the purchase comes with a constraint that it can only be used with Amazon's music player, guess where the next stop for that consumer is? And then that consumer begins to explore the pirating community, and now that consumer is part of the pirating community instead of the comment section of SLR.

I'm personally brand new to this comment section. I've been a customer at SLR for about 6 months. I've cancelled subscriptions to other sites because I was growing so fond of this one. Now I'm completely re-thinking things.

Punksxc

Rakly3 did you say an 1 hour video downloaded is the equalivant of 10 mins streaming? You do understand an 1 hour makes up for 6 views of streaming. 1 stream = 10 mins?

'Objectively' you just said a person likes a video for only 6 times? You don't know that. When your online 'you' should know streaming is downloading. When you download offline you view the video many tIme without downloading.

Rakly you are just twisting an illusion someone 'only' watches a video 6 times which is wrong. The hypocrisy here is you're making a scenario to fit your agender and arguement - as well as degrade the communiy again. Did you ask a person how many times they watch a video or you doing political red tape?

I have watched a good movie more than your so called 6 times. Which you inply the community. Rakly if I will ask the comunnity for you. How many times have you watched your fav vr porn movie?

If the community says more than 6 times you're wrong and really made a huge judgemental assumption. I view my favorite porn 100 times, so that would be at least 10 full downloads of data - which I could download for only 1 full movie.

spanker

i have a few in the 30-50 range...one approaching a 100

mostly because finding NEW stuff that WORKS is pretty frigging hard. so need to scan the new stuff and fall back on the GO-TO's over and over.

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