Only 8% of users re-watch at least 60 sec of the same videos in 2 month

agree with lordcrash. have a membership "addon" where you pay extra.. on top of the regular sub.. to have less limitations (eg a higher download limit) or alternatively higher pricing tiers for subscriptions. that way enthusiast/heavy users who download can consume all the porn they want without feeling limited and slr isnt paying more in revenue share than they earn from those users. its a win-win.

casual users dont care but forcing the enthusiast users to use slr in a particular way or imposing ever stricter limits is clearly not popular. it doesnt have to be that way.

spacepirate Also, paying less revenue share ( by eliminating heavy users and downloads) would make the major studios less interested in offering their content on SLR.

For them, the only thing that matters is what they get from SLR at the end of the month, and how many users are less likely to opt for a direct subscription to the studio's site in return.

Studios/Networks like C and B already arrived at the conclusion that it is more profitable to sell directly to end users, without a middleman. W has set up its own aggregator website. V is using a compromise with a 4 month delay, but if revenue share drops - if that is the goal of download reduction - they will think about offering V+C themselves.

Or SLR would have to increase revenue share and would be back to the old net result. This is more complex than simply increasing the profit by reducing the revenue share by pushing out the heavy users. If you change one variable in an ecosystem, you don't just get one singular result, but the whole ecosystem reorders itself, becomes unstable in extreme cases, and leads to a new state that is not easily predictable.

As a market leader, you should actually be interested in keeping the system as stable as possible in order to maintain your position as long as possible and optimizing it with very small tweaks only.

someoneX > yours is another helpful post with a ton of context few of us likely have factored into our thinking. And of course SLR really isn’t at liberty to discuss any of this in detail. I see and now agree this is a lot more complicated than I had realized. I see too that I owe @doublevr and @Rakly3 an apology for a number of my uninformed assumptions yesterday. Rakly did say that there’s much more to this than fighting download abuse, and I was a bit of a dick in response. I’m sorry both of you - I’ll be backing away from this discussion, and am going to go enjoy one of my downloads instead. Though I do still maintain the statistics and charts aren’t helpful to the convo. Thanks for your post @someoneX

Download limits are fine as they're. The whole 98 percent stream graph from doublevr, actuallys shows there is no download abuse. If the data says nobody hardly downloads, then this isn't about abuse but still an opinion.

In the business world you cater for customers or you don't. The ecosystem of pornsite customers: has 2 types of customers as one sharing the internet (can't stream) and the other people that have gigabyte of no share internet or are just rich with internet giga use. Not confusing or some idea of complicated knowledge.

If you squeeze the download allowence or stream only: then that screws the household internet share users and/or the low budget limited internet users. Not everyone is blessed with 'good internet' so that is your ecosystem.

If you don't mind losing customers that have shared internet or low internet data allowence - then so be it. Are you guys serious comtemplating finger pointing the shared internet users and low internet allowence users?

Pull the plug and see if you don't lose the customers that have not good internet.

i been saying it over and over.

producers NEED to have multiple 30-60second segments within a clip that appeal to different groups. not hard...just a little planning

i have one clip i am approaching 100 uses on. virtually a 60second segment...so this thread is pretty timely

i would TELL cam girls. WE either want to cum ON you or IN you. so think about that when you are making clips to buy.

i like the fact you can SEE data like that. let's SEE what the hell you do with it.

i would VENTURE to say 93.6 percent is something very close up. all the shit that is shot like 2d porn and far away? those producers might need another job in the acctg department or something

Rakly3 how do you earn from streaming if it isn't live cam? There is a monthly subscription that is purchase. Do you sell individual stream videos? If not you rely on monthly subscriptions. Streaming does not affect monthly subscriptions except: if people visit the site and read if site does download or stream.

Streaming does more download traffic than download itself. People come to the site see download and then join - customer.

Hi Punksxc

I said the content creators. The studios, the anime creators, scripters, etc
The more you stream them, the more they get paid.

SLR has contractual obligations towards the content creators. Accurate payouts are one of them.
All content on SLR is still owned by their respective studio, scripter.... We do not own the copyrights for that content. This also means we can't just alter or correct errors in their scenes.

Even a small part of the scripter's revenue goes to the scene studio because it's derivative work from their content.

Punksxc Streaming does more download traffic than download itself

This is a common misconception.
Most users stream only. Most streaming users use less then 1 full scene download a month.

I think we are getting to the bottom of the truth. So the problem is not the downloads, nor the DRM. The problem is that they pay studios based on the number of times we stream, and if we download, they can't count the number of times we watch the movie.

Then your system is wrong, because it leaves out the people who are never going to use streaming, and who want to pay for the content to download it.

The solution is simple. Pay creators more for downloads than for streaming, assuming multiple viewings. Or set different plans for streaming and for downloads.

But eliminating downloads or forcing people to use streaming is NOT the solution.

By the way, I am not against putting a limit on the number of downloads per week.. There are people who abuse. I don't download more than 10 or 12 movies a week. The rest don't interest me. There has to be a balance between downloading everything or, on the contrary, getting frustrated because the limit is low and you can't download what you are going to watch.

Rakly3 When it comes to revenue for the content creators. The more users stream content, the more, and more accurate they earn. - I did not say this is the, or the only reason for changes that are being made!

How much share of the traffic is for SLRO and maybe some other big hitters? I'd assume that most traffic goes towards the mainstream content and a few select studios. I always wondered who watches all that rather crappy amateur content...

Rakly3 When it comes to revenue for the content creators. The more users stream content, the more, and more accurate they earn. - I did not say this is the, or the only reason for changes that are being made!

Maybe, just maybe, you're simply using rather lacking metrics for payouts then. Just pay them something for downloads as well.

ZENRA One issue with discriminatory, adult sites, and super heavy users is the issue of chargebacks. We don't want them and the risks rise when the dollar amount becomes higher. What's more, what is a fair price that one of these super heavy users is willing to pay? $150USD a month? More?

I think you're thinking in too big extremes. There's imho nothing wrong with such limitations on the numbers of downloads for a day or a week. The point is that you give people options for the way they want to consume media, a way that fits to their living conditions, available hardware and available income. And I'd argue that the "normal" downloader is actually cheaper for SLR than a "normal" streaming user. It's not like any download user wants to download hundreds of scenes each day, especially not the ones you actually want to keep on your site and not the ones who only subscribe for a month to get as many scenes as possible for little money. I talk about the extremely valuable long term subscribers who download a few scenes each week, probably even those high quality releases they really want to watch and keep on their precious storage. That should imho be one of the key audiences for SLR beside the "casuals".

So my concept would look like that (just to get the idea):

• Option A: Streaming only for e.g. 20 bucks/month
• Option B: Streaming + high quality downloads (high res, high bitrate, fast server) for e.g. 30 bucks/month

The number of available downloads for option B could still be limited for a certain amount of time, e.g. 20 scenes a day or 100 scenes a week or whatever in order to limit the costs and risks for SLR. Just make it transparent to the users (maybe with a counter?) and I'm pretty happy that most(!) users, no matter casual or heavy hitter, would be pretty happy. Only those who are interested to get as many scenes on their drives for only a month's sub wouldn't be that happy but like I said, these aren't the key customers in the first place imho....

And of course, there should be a revenue share for downloads for the content creators anyway. Simply give them a certain amount for each full download from a unique user or whatever. It shouldn't be that hard to have a mix revenue plan for both streaming and downloads. In my honest opinion, there's only a lack of will right now...

wmfewmgkqoozlnzmnn This is not true. Not everyone who downloads, accumulates.

I for example only download 12 or 15 videos a week of the hundreds that are published at SLR, and I don't save them all. And of the ones I do save, I watch practically everything again. There are days when there is nothing new interesting and you go back to your "collection".

On the other hand, I personally sometimes cut and delete pieces of movies that I don't like, or I join several pieces of a particular actress to create my personalized movies. That's something that streaming doesn't let you do.

For many people streaming simply means mediocre image quality, constant spying on what you do, waste of Internet data and energy, and a removal of rights and being able to be creative with the things you pay money for, because it's full of limitations.