LifestylesVR channel - CANCELED

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Haha, I can't help but chuckle at the whole drama above. It's hilarious and pathetic at the same time! 😂 Honestly, I feel like I've stumbled into some alternate universe where everyone's suddenly a judge and jury.

Now, I'll admit, I'm totally in the dark here. This whole Jimmy story apparently happened in a time when I wasn't a forum guy and had nothing to do with this online drama. Back then, I was just happily devouring scenes without a clue who was pulling the strings behind the scenes. So, forgive me if I'm not jumping on the bandwagon, I wasn't born a flunkey, who just follows what the majority say.

Till this point and after reading a few of the statements shared above, I'm still firmly planted on the neutral ground. No grudges, no prejudgments against Jimmy, especially since Jimmy's not exactly behind bars... and last I checked, forums and Twitter aren't exactly courtrooms. All we've got to go on are a handful of statements from a few models, not exactly convincing evidence in my book. Feels more like a simp club squabble than a righteous defense of the abused. (shrug)

It's giving me serious Depp vs. Heard vibes. Remember that circus? Johnny had the popularity and the fans from the get-go, so it was pretty much game over for Amber, no matter what came out later. Here, though, it's Alex Coal with the devoted following, and her fans seem to have already drawn their battle lines. Jimmy and his crew could probably call Jesus to forgive his sins, but it wouldn't sway anyone. (I'm neutral not defending him)

I just wanna end this statement of mine, with a reminder I've mentioned here in this forum before: models need to set their boundaries crystal clear, have a solid agent or agency in their corner, and just live their lives in peace. Boundaries differ from person to person, after all. Like for instance Leah Gotti has made it clear that after set male touching her body was a no-go for her, while others might be more lenient. Take Blake Blossom's after-set video I shared below, for example, that'd set off alarm bells for Leah, but didn't bother Blake.

Hairsational

[deleted] "He isn't in jail and wasn't taken to court, therefore he is likely innocent"

Great argument 🙄

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Mutiny Hairsational Both of you are just being narrow-minded, blinded by this whole simp thing (or at least, that's how I see it). From what I mentioned was that I refuse to jump to conclusions based on the chaos you've created. I did look into it, read almost the whole article with their statement, but wasn't convincing for me.

LMAO I can't believe I'm quoting myself:

[deleted] Till this point and after reading a few of the statements shared above, I'm still firmly planted on the neutral ground. No grudges, no prejudgments against Jimmy, especially since Jimmy's not exactly behind bars... and last I checked, forums and Twitter aren't exactly courtrooms. All we've got to go on are a handful of statements from a few models, not exactly convincing evidence in my book. Feels more like a simp club squabble than a righteous defense of the abused. (shrug)

It's giving me serious Depp vs. Heard vibes. Remember that circus? Johnny had the popularity and the fans from the get-go, so it was pretty much game over for Amber, no matter what came out later. Here, though, it's Alex Coal with the devoted following, and her fans seem to have already drawn their battle lines. Jimmy and his crew could probably call Jesus to forgive his sins, but it wouldn't sway anyone. (I'm neutral not defending him)

I might have said a lot of words, but perhaps I didn't say anything you agree with, which seems to equate to nothing in your eyes.

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Nice catch! g2kbuffetboy That's something @doublevr or any mod could easily confirm by checking the IP addresses for both accounts, if they're actually interested in spreading the truth.

Now that @MrLifestyles has joined the conversation, I'm curious to hear his take. I'll hold off on forming a solid opinion until I've heard what he has to say. Maybe I'll find myself siding with Alex Coal and Emma Hix, or perhaps even MrLifestyles, who knows.

What I couldn't swallow up in Alex's story, though, is the purpose of having an agency if they won't stand up for their clients. When I mentioned Blake Blossom and Leah Gotti, I just wanted to emphasize that not all actresses have the same boundaries, and it's so important for agencies and models to clarify these boundaries before each shoot to prevent incidents like this from ever happening again. [deleted]

blaze466

doublevr You are at a pivotal moment right now with your company, whether you want it to be or not. You want SLR to be a leader in the VR industry. If you are indeed calling the shots, these are the decisions you have to make that will ultimately decide the destiny of SLR.

fuccaneer

I'd like to highlight a few things from the "SexLikeReal and ethical porn" page linked on every page in the site: https://www.sexlikereal.com/blog/434-sexlikereal-and-ethical-porn

The various production teams that work for SLR Originals treat all employees, from the onscreen talent to the behind-the-scenes crew with the utmost respect, and we have an excellent reputation throughout the industry.

Can we expect SLR to hold your partner studios to the same ethical standards?

We have made the decision to exclude content that crosses a line, including the use of guns, knives, drugs, hypnosis or anything that could be deemed non-consensual.

When a production crew member touches an actress outside of the bounds of what was agreed on, that is "non-consensual." When a producer has a history of non-consensual on-set activity, their content has a high probability of containing non-consensual on-screen acts. Given the difficulty of identifying actual non-consensual acts in porn, why would SLR risk violating its own ethical standards?
What about the risk of damage to SLR's reputation?

If you have any questions or would like further information, please get in touch or start the discussion at our ~~friendly~~ forum.

Minor edit there

Jeef

Let the courts handle it. If I’m being honest, from what little I’ve seen, he seems like an absolute piece of shit and not someone I’d want to work with…ever…and I doubt I’ll watch any of the content. But if there was no legal action taken against him it’s just another online shit flinging contest and I for one am sick of the court of public opinion and online cancellation campaigns. People in the industry clearly know what’s up more than we do, and if they see it fit to work with him and be paid for it(which is obviously what’s happening or we wouldn’t be talking about it) who are we to tell them otherwise? You all are free to live your lives however you want, but me personally, I don’t place a lot of moral significance in the type of content I jack off to. It’s made by consenting adults and if they have issues I would hope they’d address it and possibly take legal action if it was egregious enough. I’m not in a position to help them. I don’t wish them any harm, but frankly, I’m just trying to fucking get off. 😂. I’m not trying to overthink this. I put that energy into my actual hobbies.

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Hairsational I never said he's innocent, that's your assumption!

Don't just speak for the sake of speaking! Anyone who wants to take this road, please, don't make assumptions or twist my words. I explicitly stated my neutrality because I lack sufficient information about this matter, meaning I'm not pointing fingers at either party, I'm definitely not just following what majority are saying in order to please y'all.

Hairsational

[deleted] You didn't say it explicitly but that was the implication, or at least how I interpreted your comments. Btw I didn't say "is innocent", I said "likely innocent" which isn't mischaracterizing what you said.

Wendigo

[deleted] I lack sufficient information about this matter

Sorry, but this is a bullshit statement. There is, publicly available, statements from around a dozen models from pro to novice, older and younger, star and not, that all say the same thing about this scumbag. Exactly what evidence will satisfy you? Do you need video of the incidents that took place after the shoot? Do you need someone other than the multiple performers to vouch for the truth of the incident? Does it mean anything to you that Wankz thought it serious enough to fire their most prolific and senior director over it? why hasn't ANYONE come out to support Jimmy's side, while a dozen or more models reported very similar incidents with the same guy?

I've worked as a rape counselor and a domestic violence counselor for a long time. It is flippant attitudes like yours - and someone else on this forum - that make it so difficult for survivors to heal.

And Depp is a scumbag, too. He was guilty, he just had the better lawyer and simps in in his corner. Literally everyone I know in the psych field with any expertise in sexual/domestic violence saw right through that bullshit case.

Mutiny

Hairsational For me it was his taking a bunch of paragraphs to say “I haven’t bothered to look into it so it’s impossible to know.”

So many words to say absolutely nothing.

Mutiny

[deleted] You read almost one whole article? You really did your homework there, champ.

You're glancing at actual sexual assault allegations from numerous women and proudly flaunting your apathy as some kind of virtue. That's fucking gross.

(And your repeated use of the word "simp" in this context makes you a deeply unserious person.)

You know who didn't think it was some mysterious unknowable conundrum? The fucking WankzVR lawyers, who thoroughly investigated and then fired his ass.

HughMungus

[deleted] Ummm, i've never personally had a thing for Alex Coal and i'm pretty sure i've never used one of her scenes. So you're wrong for assuming everyone here is some kind of personal white knight fanboy here to defend her.

I read her story objectively and then some of the other stars and Jimmy's "Apology" and it just really creeped me out. This guy sounds like a real asshole that probably should have faced real legal action in the past and it's just sad that this great website has decided they need to be the ones to give him a second chance.

obilisk2450

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Simp thing lol
Even though many actresses have spoken out against Jimmy.
Even though Jimmy himself issued an apology video on his wrongdoing.
Even though Jimmy compares pornstars to whores.

But no no no, we're just simps! You're not convinced, therefore we must be simpin'. 🤦

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Mutiny Well I can't do better than this 'source'. If you don't like the word 'simp,' fine, let's use 'bias.' You're all more likely biased.

Person A: He abused me.
Person B: No, I did not.

Your biased 'simp self'... Oh, I believe Person A.

I had some respect for you, but jumping straight to attacking the person? That's just not right. Not a serious person? Really I'm just a hobbyist, not a judge. You said 'actual sexual assault allegations'? Then take it to the judge, for God's sake. I don't have legal expertise to deal with that. If the judge pronounces him guilty, then I'll still remain neutral. Only then can you place the blame on me.

Mutiny

[deleted] Oh, I believe Person A

Yep. I also believe persons C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, etc who all said basically the same thing as person A.

Edit: I want to take a breath and clarify something, though. I do not at all fault you for not knowing stuff. We all have major blindspots, and we often don't know what we don't know. The world is messy and complicated and really fucking frustrating sometimes. I feel ya.

Where I take issue is boldly proclaiming your ignorance as though it's something valuable to be shared. You're allowed to just sit quietly when you don't know something. Or, better yet, be actively curious.

ThePointyEnd

[deleted] It sounds like there's an awful lot of simping, but it's for Jimmy "Sexual Assault Artist" Lifestyles.

Wendigo

doublevr Go sue Jimmy if he did it wrong. Don't bring this shit on me

Dude. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Two immutable laws of dealing with customers:

People may forget what you di for them, but they will never forget how you made them feel - especially if it was negative.
If you please a customer, they may recommend you to a friend. If you anger or otherwise mistreat a customer, they will make it their mission in life to tell EVERYBODY about you.

You seem to be determined to ignore all of this as though we are unreasonable for being revolted by the decision, rather than that you are being unreasonable by acting as if it's no big deal. Ther are consequences to that. No one else in the industry has hired him because they don't want to be associated with someone who is morally reprehensible - in large part becausew they know customers will leave so that THEY won't have to be supporting someone reprehensible. All of this is just the price of living in a civilized society - consequences for your actions. And stop with the "bring a court case" stuff. You know how the justice system treats sex workers. These performers are your lifeblood. Don't treat them so disrespectfully. You're supposed to be better than that.

HughMungus

vrpicasso Whoa, he even looks like Harvey Weinstein! What are the odds?

doublevr

obilisk2450 and the ragged crowd is mad. It's never enough. Go het him, get him hard
We don't want him justice. We want him hard

Give him a lifetime ban. We are such a good people. We never wrong

jommy

Just getting caught up with this, i've never read about any 'drama' in VR or porn filming until now - it's pretty damn obviously a bad idea to work with Jimmy Lifestyles in any way.

Yes him having his own channel or whatever is working with him, you are giving him a platform and income stream, literally paying him to abuse women like he has done for years. His filming set, his rules, right?

I guarantee he will mention he puts his content on SLR when trying to get performers - You guys keep saying you are the biggest VR website, so of course he will mention it and all of a sudden more and more performers will link SLR and Jimmy Savile, uh, Lifestyles together.

The whole argument of "if he did wrong he'd be in prison or arrested" is bollocks. Many abusers get away with it for years even if people try to go to the police or the legal route.

I just don't see the appeal of working with the guy, he brings a TON of negative press that will make paying customers leave SLR and go elsewhere (and they'll be sure to tell everyone to avoid SLR) - I already see a lot of familiar forum names in here dead-set against SLR working with the guy.

It will also deter performers from working with SLR now and in future, i'm sure people working in the industry will hear so not just performers but possible directors, writers, everyone. Who wants to work for or with a company that knowingly and defiantly has a working relationship with such a person?

Companies often get a lot of stick for having social media teams interact with customers, but the one good thing i'd like to point out is that they take time to think about the consequences of certain actions and almost never reply on a whim with little thought or foresight 🙄

harigeharry

doublevr The thing of course is that this is not 1 case, not 2, not even three. But I counted at least 12 actresses with those stories, Emma Hix even is talking about 20+ actresses, not sure if that's true though, haven't verified them. But if there are that many actresses all complaining about Jimmy, it just becomes really hard to credibly defend him. At that point you can't simply say anymore "oh that's just on X, that doesn't count, only a judge's verdict counts". It's of course a huge step for any porn actress to start a lawsuit. Would any studio after that want to work with such 'trouble maker' ever again? I can totally see why no one is eager to take those steps.

AzgardCKJ

doublevr Looks promising 🙂 Happy to see that you're always trying to improve

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