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doublevr Opening up investment opportunities to grow faster. A lot could be done. We just need more muscle power.

Is this why he gets his channel and unwavering support from you guys? If so, he is likely going to have more influence on the brand than you are leading on.

We are further looking into things to get to a meaningful depth of context. Thx for all the informative posts (few).

Also it’s important to realize X/Twitter is not a place for prosecution or judgement. It’s a great place to rise awareness. Right now it looks like some staged drama with some expected behavior in place.

It’s an absolutely wrong way of getting justice as with all the noise and pressure it undermines the whole idea of making sense of things.

Humanity is doomed if most of the serious stuff gets done via X and other places like this.

It might have been a perfect case for police or someone. Why not bringing it there? No idea how we should make sense of it. Should we ban people channels because those reports?

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    doublevr Should we ban people channels because those reports?

    Yes. This isn’t a court case. This is a business decision to maintain the integrity of your brand. You established your core values for a reason.

    If you proceed with his channel, you will lose a large portion of your customer base, many models will refuse to work with you (further degrading your brand), and VR’s reputation will take a negative hit, further driving models to produce content in ways they feel safe and have more control over. Meanwhile, the stigma that porn has - the stigma that causes banks to scrutinize your content, members to not join, models to shy away from the industry or retire early - only grows. I thought you all understood this, and that was why you established your core values of being focused on wellness.

    Based off of all of the different accounts of the events from the models, it is extremely unlikely they are making it up. But, even if they were, the perception is still there. It is not worth the risk. If Jimmy wants back in the industry, he can try to start his own company. Don’t compromise yours.

    doublevr
    You're right that Twitter is not a platform to deliver prosecution or justice.

    But it is a place where people can speak about their experience. Whether you believe them (or who you choose to believe) matters, not because it's a legal verdict (since it isn't), but because you're powerful and your decisions matter.

    SLR is a valuable brand and platform. I want it to do well since I think it's the best! But it's clear from this thread that a lot of people are against promoting Jimmy or giving him a platform, which could drag SLR down by association. If what you say is true - that Jimmy just gets a personal channel - you did highlight him in the original post to show that it's something special to promote. (Surely you have other 3rd parties you're thrilled about?)

    So many posts in this thread are alarmed by this part, that there's only tiny bits of discussion in this thread about JAV censoring, BYOJ, etc. It appears that announcing a platform for Jimmy steals the attention from SLR's other important initiatives.

    I fucking love SLR's passthrough; I can't wait for the connectivity upgrades for the Kiiroo Keon. I really want to try BYOJ.

    People aren't discussing the neat things SLR is working on because Jimmy receives all the attention.

    [Edit: and for the record, I believe the women. But even ignoring my beliefs and purely from a pragmatic angle, the excitement for SLR 2024 is muddied by this matter.]

      wongry and they have spoken. Now you guys are trying to make a court out of it instead of going to the actual one.

      No idea what stops to get the case right instead of bringing it on me.

      I guess there's enough of awareness by now to let any performer decide if they want to work with the dude.

      No idea why are you making this social media shit show instead of submitting a case

        Alex Coal submitted a statement to the Wankz lawyer - and what happened? Nothing, for 3 years, until her audience found out and demanded action. That's what you get for speaking out in porn, a refusal to act or have accusations taken seriously by the guys in charge - guys like yourself if you ignore every voice that came forward. And yes performers do use Twitter, you can't invalidate their claims because of the platform. Stars like Vanna Bardot, Adriana Chechik, Emma Hix, Emma Starletto, Aidra Fox - at least 12 came forward. Here's an interview, not on Twitter, where Emma Hix talks about her experience

        After the models came forward, Jimmy released a 10 minute apology and said he would contact individual stars. What does it say about him that this is the apology as it stands now?

        It's the guys in power who have historically let this kind of behavior continue in porn, to everyone's detriment. You are now the guy in power. Please do the right thing, for your company, your subscribers and the models you profess to care for. This isn't even just a moral decision, the financial and reputational consequences are huge.

          doublevr
          I live in another country, I can't bring a case 😆.

          I'm just saying that SLR is working on some cool things, but people are mostly talking about Jimmy since he's been listed in the plans. 🤷‍♂️

          It actually makes perfect sense that you brought him in since you both seem to have the same response to people telling you not to do something.

          Deleted my account yesterday. Feel free to delete me from here too.

          doublevr No idea what stops to get the case right instead of bringing it on me.

          Don't give him a platform. Nobody is asking for anything more than that.

          With the recent director sackings it's perhaps evident why you want him on SLR so bad that you are willing to overlook the mountain of evidence.

          doublevr I guess there's enough of awareness by now to let any performer decide if they want to work with the dude.

          There is a constant stream of new girls coming into this type of work who don't have experience dealing with Jimmy the Predator.

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          Haha, I can't help but chuckle at the whole drama above. It's hilarious and pathetic at the same time! 😂 Honestly, I feel like I've stumbled into some alternate universe where everyone's suddenly a judge and jury.

          Now, I'll admit, I'm totally in the dark here. This whole Jimmy story apparently happened in a time when I wasn't a forum guy and had nothing to do with this online drama. Back then, I was just happily devouring scenes without a clue who was pulling the strings behind the scenes. So, forgive me if I'm not jumping on the bandwagon, I wasn't born a flunkey, who just follows what the majority say.

          Till this point and after reading a few of the statements shared above, I'm still firmly planted on the neutral ground. No grudges, no prejudgments against Jimmy, especially since Jimmy's not exactly behind bars... and last I checked, forums and Twitter aren't exactly courtrooms. All we've got to go on are a handful of statements from a few models, not exactly convincing evidence in my book. Feels more like a simp club squabble than a righteous defense of the abused. (shrug)

          It's giving me serious Depp vs. Heard vibes. Remember that circus? Johnny had the popularity and the fans from the get-go, so it was pretty much game over for Amber, no matter what came out later. Here, though, it's Alex Coal with the devoted following, and her fans seem to have already drawn their battle lines. Jimmy and his crew could probably call Jesus to forgive his sins, but it wouldn't sway anyone. (I'm neutral not defending him)

          I just wanna end this statement of mine, with a reminder I've mentioned here in this forum before: models need to set their boundaries crystal clear, have a solid agent or agency in their corner, and just live their lives in peace. Boundaries differ from person to person, after all. Like for instance Leah Gotti has made it clear that after set male touching her body was a no-go for her, while others might be more lenient. Take Blake Blossom's after-set video I shared below, for example, that'd set off alarm bells for Leah, but didn't bother Blake.

          Blake's Tweet

            doublevr You are at a pivotal moment right now with your company, whether you want it to be or not. You want SLR to be a leader in the VR industry. If you are indeed calling the shots, these are the decisions you have to make that will ultimately decide the destiny of SLR.

            I'd like to highlight a few things from the "SexLikeReal and ethical porn" page linked on every page in the site: https://www.sexlikereal.com/blog/434-sexlikereal-and-ethical-porn

            The various production teams that work for SLR Originals treat all employees, from the onscreen talent to the behind-the-scenes crew with the utmost respect, and we have an excellent reputation throughout the industry.

            Can we expect SLR to hold your partner studios to the same ethical standards?

            We have made the decision to exclude content that crosses a line, including the use of guns, knives, drugs, hypnosis or anything that could be deemed non-consensual.

            When a production crew member touches an actress outside of the bounds of what was agreed on, that is "non-consensual." When a producer has a history of non-consensual on-set activity, their content has a high probability of containing non-consensual on-screen acts. Given the difficulty of identifying actual non-consensual acts in porn, why would SLR risk violating its own ethical standards?
            What about the risk of damage to SLR's reputation?

            If you have any questions or would like further information, please get in touch or start the discussion at our friendly forum.

            Minor edit there

            Let the courts handle it. If I’m being honest, from what little I’ve seen, he seems like an absolute piece of shit and not someone I’d want to work with…ever…and I doubt I’ll watch any of the content. But if there was no legal action taken against him it’s just another online shit flinging contest and I for one am sick of the court of public opinion and online cancellation campaigns. People in the industry clearly know what’s up more than we do, and if they see it fit to work with him and be paid for it(which is obviously what’s happening or we wouldn’t be talking about it) who are we to tell them otherwise? You all are free to live your lives however you want, but me personally, I don’t place a lot of moral significance in the type of content I jack off to. It’s made by consenting adults and if they have issues I would hope they’d address it and possibly take legal action if it was egregious enough. I’m not in a position to help them. I don’t wish them any harm, but frankly, I’m just trying to fucking get off. 😂. I’m not trying to overthink this. I put that energy into my actual hobbies.

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            Hairsational I never said he's innocent, that's your assumption!

            Don't just speak for the sake of speaking! Anyone who wants to take this road, please, don't make assumptions or twist my words. I explicitly stated my neutrality because I lack sufficient information about this matter, meaning I'm not pointing fingers at either party, I'm definitely not just following what majority are saying in order to please y'all.

              [deleted] You didn't say it explicitly but that was the implication, or at least how I interpreted your comments. Btw I didn't say "is innocent", I said "likely innocent" which isn't mischaracterizing what you said.

                Hairsational For me it was his taking a bunch of paragraphs to say “I haven’t bothered to look into it so it’s impossible to know.”

                So many words to say absolutely nothing.

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                  Mutiny Hairsational Both of you are just being narrow-minded, blinded by this whole simp thing (or at least, that's how I see it). From what I mentioned was that I refuse to jump to conclusions based on the chaos you've created. I did look into it, read almost the whole article with their statement, but wasn't convincing for me.

                  LMAO I can't believe I'm quoting myself:

                  [deleted] Till this point and after reading a few of the statements shared above, I'm still firmly planted on the neutral ground. No grudges, no prejudgments against Jimmy, especially since Jimmy's not exactly behind bars... and last I checked, forums and Twitter aren't exactly courtrooms. All we've got to go on are a handful of statements from a few models, not exactly convincing evidence in my book. Feels more like a simp club squabble than a righteous defense of the abused. (shrug)

                  It's giving me serious Depp vs. Heard vibes. Remember that circus? Johnny had the popularity and the fans from the get-go, so it was pretty much game over for Amber, no matter what came out later. Here, though, it's Alex Coal with the devoted following, and her fans seem to have already drawn their battle lines. Jimmy and his crew could probably call Jesus to forgive his sins, but it wouldn't sway anyone. (I'm neutral not defending him)

                  I might have said a lot of words, but perhaps I didn't say anything you agree with, which seems to equate to nothing in your eyes.

                    [deleted] You read almost one whole article? You really did your homework there, champ.

                    You're glancing at actual sexual assault allegations from numerous women and proudly flaunting your apathy as some kind of virtue. That's fucking gross.

                    (And your repeated use of the word "simp" in this context makes you a deeply unserious person.)

                    You know who didn't think it was some mysterious unknowable conundrum? The fucking WankzVR lawyers, who thoroughly investigated and then fired his ass.