SLR Originals reset plan - Nov '23

AlterEgo

petergriff

I'm firmly in "believe it when I see it" territory when it comes to anything involving new concepts/longer scenes/more story focus.

Every six months there's a post about big sweeping changes but inertia is king in the porn industry. It's far too easy to fall back on old habits. Plenty of things have been promised before and then quickly forgotten.

Rustam1990

petergriff I'm firmly in "believe it when I see it" territory when it comes to anything involving new concepts/longer scenes/more story focus.

Every six months there's a post about big sweeping changes but inertia is king in the porn industry. It's far too easy to fall back on old habits. Plenty of things have been promised before and then quickly forgotten.

This hits home. Was a sub for WankzVR in 2018 when a new producer (called Tofu?) vowed to shake things up and introduce more creativity by posting something similar to this thread. He did OK for a few months... now look at the current state of Wankz/MilfVR scenes, almost all of them 40-50 mins, vanilla, boring scenes.

Dusty

bacula8630 And speaking of performers, I have to believe shooting PT scenes is some of the least sexy scenes you can shoot. VR is already a hard sell for some performers. I gotta believe this isn’t going to help. Instead of growing VR porn, I feel this will have the opposite effect.

This is actually a really interesting point imo. Female performers in the past have quit VR porn because it itself is hard to shoot and a bad experience for the talent when you have to do everything yourself and always having to focus on the camera.
Just imagine being in a greenscreen room, having to fuck a guy in a green costume with only his dick hanging out, while being lit up by lights and having to pretend its the best sex of your life.
Probabaly not really attractive for a lot of performers I'd guess.

I can totally accept trying to increase the production value and people liking these videos but I personally love it when the location / set is good and matches the vibe of the scene and not just a bed in a grey room.

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bacula8630 Dusty I have to believe shooting PT scenes is some of the least sexy scenes you can shoot.

They can always try it; if they can't pull it off, well, it's their choice to not shoot anymore, not yours or even SLR's. At least it's not the worst setting ever for them. 'Glory hole,' for instance, existed a long time before and is way worse than AR/VR from an actress's perspective.

mebejoe

Dusty Just imagine being in a greenscreen room, having to fuck a guy in a green costume with only his dick hanging out, while being lit up by lights and having to pretend its the best sex of your life.

You made me actually LOL when I read this and I started to try to imagine that. Being the guy doesn't sound much better. I think you just ruined VR porn for me. 😉

theHobbit

Hair. This is what in part makes the hotties hot. Especially long hair that flows down their backs. Why do the performers move it to the front when they are in reverse cowgirl and then move it to the back when they are in cowgirl. Try to mix it up please.
Heels. These things accentuate a woman's legs. Please ask the performers to leave them on sometimes, instead of kicking them off pretty much straight away 5 mins into the scene. I know some people have a foot fetish and Im good with that but again like point 1. It would be good to mix it up a bit
Passthrough. The non PT brigade need to leave PT the fuck alone with their stupid opinions. it's fine as it is with multiple positions. Nobody except you gives a toss about where your dick is when the positions change. Get over it. Most people who watch pass through have the common sense to sometimes switch off pass through for scenes that aren't conducive to pass through. I like doggy style, I don't care whether it is in PT or non PT. I just like a woman's ass.
Passthrough part 2 - all major studios are pretty much now in copycat mode. POVR and RealJam are exploring this right now.
I am looking forward to Female POV especially if it is in the format of BGG. One thing I miss is the fact I don't get to see the hotties ass bouncing on the cock in cowgirl. Would be great from the POV of another hottie and then they can swap positions. Hotttttt!!!!!!
What BigTittyLicker said. If we are getting serious about comments and forum feedback, one of the biggest ask is ebony women and thick women.
Stan Short and Alex Mack were cool.

OliverDK

theHobbit Heels. These things accentuate a woman's legs. Please ask the performers to leave them on sometimes, instead of kicking them off pretty much straight away 5 mins into the scene. I know some people have a foot fetish and Im good with that but again like point 1. It would be good to mix it up a bit

Agreed. I certainly don't expect every scene for the woman to keep the heels on but as it is now then for some reason or another in porn heels are off within minutes. It would be great if we could get more scenes where the heels stays on for longer.

theHobbit What BigTittyLicker said. If we are getting serious about comments and forum feedback, one of the biggest ask is ebony women and thick women.

Agreed but I would add mature women (older milfs) to that mix. Especially in PTs - for example Reagan Foxx, Larkin Love, Lexi Luna, Penny Barber, Cory Chase, Dreanna Dream and I could go on as the list is long.

petermc

theHobbit Heels. These things accentuate a woman's legs. Please ask the performers to leave them on sometimes, instead of kicking them off pretty much straight away 5 mins into the scene. I know some people have a foot fetish and Im good with that but again like point 1. It would be good to mix it up a bit

This.

theHobbit

vrguy69 I am not antagonising targeting or trolling lol. I am responding to some points and disagreeing and hence why you are responding in this manner. If you go through my post history, I have never once resorted to calling on anybody at SLR to remove people because of opinions I dislike.

You fail to recognise the many comments I make agreeing with many other members, which is very strange 😃

Also as always I am always on board with SLR's strategic direction and wish the site I pay money into success whatever decision they choose to employ. This is unlike some others like yourself who entertain the notion of SLR users 'flocking to other sites' simply on whimsical pretexts that you disagree with some of the strategic direction being employed by this site.

Hopefully this is cogent enough for you.

PS.

vrguy69 conducive

I used that word earlier in the thread .....

theHobbit conducive

your brain must have picked up on it and thought wow that @theHobbit is pretty smart with his words even with his low IQ 😃. you're welcome x

theHobbit

OliverDK Agreed but I would add mature women (older milfs) to that mix. Especially in PTs - for example Reagan Foxx, Larkin Love, Lexi Luna, Penny Barber, Cory Chase, Dreanna Dream and I could go on as the list is long.

Absolutely. It's great seeing how the curves of these women have filled out over the years. Mandy Muse was a babe when she was younger but sex on legs for me now a days.

alkory

petermc the "default anal scenes" was a huge joke. I don't think they even had any more than during their golden era from 2020. Hell, they don't even have 1 single anal scenes for their beloved PT brand. Here is to hoping these new changes are not the complete death of anal scenes.

doublevr

alkory going to fix that

doublevr

Rustam1990 will you be so nice to look for his name? Would like to give things a try

OliverDK

Rustam1990 Imho it's simply the nature of Western mainstream porn. It's about cutting expenses to maximize profit on mass-produced scenes because frankly most people watching mainstream porn just do it for a 10 min. wank - not watching a 90 min. cleverly planned out scene. It was just a matter of time before this mentality took over in mainstream VR after we had some years of fun. Now it's just autopilot and I doubt that's going to change.

It happened in 2D too but the difference is that in that market independent studios and creators filled in the void with actual creative scenes with longer stories, concepts, etc. and with large successes. We don't have that in VR - yet. The reason I can only speculate about but I think the issues are the market is to small and that VR/AR porn is nowhere near as easy as shooting a 2D scene. It requires know-how and expertise that aren't easily acquired. And it's expensive too.

SchnuppiLilac

doublevr https://twitter.com/tofu916 Still directing for WankzVR/MilfVR

Ilistourhat

Please consider making Non POV passthrough.
Having people fuck in your own room/bed is hot and add to the voyeur kick. Maybe you could encourage other producers who do more non pov to try pt.

InfiniteFun

Ilistourhat Please consider making Non POV passthrough.

...yeah, this would help with the PT issue of floating cock. The best PT for me so far is watching a show in my living room, getting a lap dance, etc. I'd have no issue with watching a sex scene, girl on girl preferably. Then the poor performers don't have to act to a camera, or dance around on a stunt cock, they can interact with each other, and be a bit more relaxed.

Also, the point about different positions needs to be discussed in PT:

Clearly, the most immersion breaking points so far in PT are floating cock and having girls warped by disjointed perspectives. Both of these are mitigated by being in EXACTLY the same position as the male actor.
Most people don't want to have to change position on the fly (doubly so if they've got interactives working).
It therefore makes sense to shoot shorter PT scenes with just a single position, and add the position the male actor is assuming in the title (reclined, standing, seated, kneeling), so when the consumer is choosing videos, they can aim for the one they want. Or just metadata it.

Point being, keep PT simple. Short, sweet, keep the immersion. A dance. A fuck. Stop trying to shoot 45 min roleplay scenes. Concentrate the goodness. Make it more accessible.

And then you can concentrate the role-play goodness on the VR side of the studio. People are literally crying out for more, tearing up their subscriptions, etc. SLR knows how to foster good production, long scenes, immersive role-play. It's what i love most about SLRO's. Let that goodness shine by removing it from PT. Keep PT simple till the tech has evolved to compensate for all it's issues.

[TL;DR] Keep PT simple till it evolves...

zozman92

doublevr Very excited to see all this implemented soon especially the AI PT and modern relationship like scenes.

I would like to suggest like others on this thread have that instead of doing female pov in PT we can get voyeur boy on girl and girl on girl in PT, as well as shorter stripping, twerking, JOI videos in PT.

albertleder

Just resubscribed , over all other studios, why?
My reasons:

Passthrough, nobody else does it. Keep doing it , with more girls, 3somes.
The other SLRO videos. True 8k quality is better than competitors. Lots of group scenes and hot scenes like the raw taboo cat one and kate blossom ones.

Nail these two and i will sub forever

jommy

This is super exciting news and love the transparency/updates with the community 👍️

There's a few nay sayers when it comes to PT or assigning talent to work with PT - those people fail to understand from a business sense: If PT is the 'next big thing' that people want, SLR needs to jump ontop of it ASAP and produce content/better the technology before competition wakes up and starts competing. Early bird gets the worm as they say..

Businesses that do not push the boundaries and try new things become a dinosaur and die to the more driven tech savvy ones. Can you imagine the horror of if SLR was still releasing 4K videos and not 6K, 8K we now have? Innovation is always necessary.

If PT ends up not being the next best thing then no real loss, there are plenty more videos available and a constant stream of new releases (not just SLR Originals either!)

Can we get a bit more context for: 4. Greatly improving our casting logic?

vrguy69

jommy If PT ends up not being the next best thing then no real loss, there are plenty more videos available and a constant stream of new releases (not just SLR Originals either!)

I disagree with this notion that there's no risk in SLR being too gung-ho about PT. The main customer base is still VR users, and if a sizable group of VR users don't like the direction SLR is going, they will flock to competitors who focus on VR. Simple as that.

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