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justsomedude101 As already mentioned in the discussion above, your business is in selling representations of models' bodies. You also actively solicit feedback on what we like or don't like about what you sell. That means that you are soliciting feedback regarding (among other things) what we like or don't like about models' bodies - or more accurately, types of models' bodies. Given that, how are we to express dislike about this aspect of your product without running afoul of your ban hammer or the rest of the thought police? Again, I did not insult the performer directly. I did not say that the performer, or her body modifications, are ugly (as @LordCrash did - who you frequently interact with quite pleasantly on these forums, and who received no such ban). I merely expressed displeasure with the number of models of that persuasion that we were seeing lately. Can you give some examples of expressing that sentiment in comments which would not be offensive to the model? It seems to me that commenting negatively on a model's (or category of models) appearance always has the potential to be received negatively, but that is a possibility one accepts when they sell their body/image/appearance. Don't get me wrong: I am absolutely sex-worker positive. I have friends in the industry (both as performers and providers), and have supported them in legal, professional, and personal ways through very stiff opposition and judgement and sometimes at great personal cost. Even so, I also have a really sensisitve bullshit detector, and this entire argument smells pretty bad. Not to antagonize, but if I had to guess I'd say that my comment offended you, not the model, and that you generally don't care for my feedback which is why I got the ban and others did not. Wield the rules equally and in an unbiased way, please.

I'm interested to see if you'll take any actions against the far shittier comments I pointed out that still stand. I can point out a LOT more if you'd like.

      Will65 I am absolutely sex-worker positive. I have friends in the industry (both as performers and providers), and have supported them in legal, professional, and personal ways through very stiff opposition and judgement and sometimes at great personal cost.

      This is rad. Thank you for doing that.

          Will65 Given that, how are we to express dislike about this aspect of your product without running afoul of your ban hammer or the rest of the thought police?

          Will65 Can you give some examples of expressing that sentiment in comments which would not be offensive to the model? It seems to me that commenting negatively on a model's (or category of models) appearance always has the potential to be received negatively, but that is a possibility one accepts when they sell their body/image/appearance.

          You could achieve the desired effect by "liking" videos you like, commenting on videos you like asking for more like them, and talking on the forums about videos you like and would like to see more of.

          But the fact that you don't like some doesn't change the fact that other people do like them and would like to see more like them.

          (Unrelated, the word "like" looks super weird to me now.)

          The ideal scenario is more for you, not less for others.

                Mutiny This is eaxactly why I wouldn't aim my comment at the model, but at the casting director's choice of genre. Why would I want to hurt her? I have no beef with her - she is just doing her thing, getting by. I don't begrudge her that. But I can express my displeasure that it is not the porn I like, and that I would like to see less of it - and I wouldn't tell that directly to her, either. It's not like I called her up on her private number and told her that she sucks.

                  Mutiny This is where I thought you were going - essentially, comment if you like it, shut up if you don't.

                  Sorry, I disagree. No one is harmed by expressing displeasure or disagreement.

                      Will65 I don't know what else to tell you, man. The producers work hard to make the viewers happy, and your feedback will fall on much more eager ears if it's coming from a place of celebration of what's good rather than lambasting what's essentially a matter of personal preference, especially when other persons prefer it.

                      Flies, vinegar, honey...all that bullshit they teach us in elementary school.

                      I'm listening. I've told you the kind of feedback I'm looking for. Make your choices and it'll be what it is.

                          justsomedude101 my turn 🙋🏽‍♂️

                          as a forum mod could you please unban me or share some reasonable justification for my apparently unwarranted forum ban? and i mean something other than the reason i got which was essentially "fuck you in particular"

                              Will65 I'm interested to see if you'll take any actions against the far shittier comments I pointed out that still stand. I can point out a LOT more if you'd like.

                              Already done for several, before you even commented. But it's almost midnight, so I'll look the the rest another time. And yes, if you know of other similar comments or come across them, please do share.

                              As for the rest - there are plenty of topics I love hearing feedback and input on. Just look at the forum for the past week and the amount of input we've solicited for and received from users is insane.

                              To be absolutely transparent: this is not one of those topics. I do not care what your opinion is on this one.

                              If you want to criticize a performer or a casting choice, find a less abrasive/degrading/insulting way to do it. It's not difficult. If I see a comment from you or anyone else that I read or interpret as degrading/insulting, I will delete it and take what I consider to be appropriate action. Subscriptions to SLR are for the content. The ability to comment is a nice extra bonus that can be removed at our discretion (i.e. based on my opinion/interpretation), which for me happens to be triggered when performers are personally insulted or degraded.

                                  Mutiny Perhaps. But why does @doublevr start threads on this forum asking why a certain subset of scenes did not "do well"? By which he meant, "Why didn't you watch them? Why didn't they get likes?"

                                  Read through that thread, and you'll see that the answer to that question was, pretty clearly, users found the models unattractive. There was other stuff, to be sure, but the overwhelming answer was that they didn't want to see the type of model that was being presented.

                                  So it is alright for the owner to solicit negative feedback when they feel like it? And it is alright to express that opinion when the owner asks you directly, but not in the public comments section? Seems pretty hypocritical to me. Rules for thee, but not for me.

                                    Ok...one more attempt to clarify what I mean, @Will65.

                                    Imagine someone walks into a McDonald's and fills out a comment card with the following:

                                    "The bread parade continues. Yuck. Why do you have to put buns on everything? Buns are gross and unnatural and do not satiate my particular hunger therefore you should stop selling them because that means less shelf space for the salad I'm here to buy."

                                    vs.

                                    "I come here every day at lunch to eat a salad because I have celiac but Mickey-D's is convenient so, hey, it'd be great if you offered more salad variety, please and thank you."

                                    These two cards are not equally effective.

                                      spacepirate2 I don't know in your case, but I'm guessing it was the cheeky comment in the thread about looking to hire someone who would like to share scene releases on reddit. Basic digital marketing stuff.

                                      When a company is looking to hire someone and you post in that thread saying something to the equivalent of "this would look like shit on your resume" i.e. discouraging people who might be interested in the position, that is probably not something that is going to end well.

                                      I'll unban your main in a week.

                                          Mutiny However:

                                          "The quality of your Bic Mac has fallen off since you started selling Mc Eggrolls, Mc Sushi, Mc Blubber Nuggets, Bubble tea, Mc BBQ, Mc Spaghetti, Mc Pizza, Mc VeganBurgers, McFajitas, and McDoughnuts. Now you have 100 middling products and the 3 good ones I loved you for are poorly made or out of stock. Please stop trying to be everything to every customer and go back to what made you the best"

                                          is a useful and valid comment card.

                                          It is one that has been levelled at SLR ad infinitum for the past 18 months or so, only to fall on deaf ears (and certainly not only by me). It also is a direct result of not caring if your customers are displeased, because that one guy said he liked it.

                                          Your earlier example ignores that McDonalds always had buns. Imagine that they started replacing buns with lettuce wraps, large crackers, or rice patties or whatever. Not only that, sometimes when you went to your local McD, you couldn't even GET a bun, only the new trendy choices. How do those comment cards look now? Polite? Or annoyed?

                                          But hey - don't complain. Someone out there likes their Bic Mac on rice crackers. And if that means that you cant get the burger that you like anymore, suck it up.

                                          Or ... stop going to McD. But whatever you do, don't tell McD that you don't like the direction they are heading. No business would want to know that, right? They'd rather that you just silently leave. I mean, if they wanted to know, you'd have industires around market research! Imagine that.

                                          I'm not trying to be too snarky, but even the "leave SLR" answer is shitty for me. SLR pretty much has cornered ther market on scripts and scripters, which are essential for me. I dont even watch porn without it. So for me, it's SLR or nothing. Therefor, I am pretty invested in the direction they take.

                                              justsomedude101 it was a light hearted joke about the apparent job title. does that really warrant a ban? if the post was so detrimental to slr could it not have been edited by a mod or deleted instead? its not a good look for slr to be overreacting like that

                                                  spacepirate2 I think they hired the PerVRt guy to supervise the foums and comments mods lol

                                                    Will65 That is a useful and valid comment.

                                                    (I do want to stop for a moment and laugh at the fact that this is literally exactly what has happened to McDonald's in real life.)

                                                    There's a balance to strike with respect to being great at something and needing to innovate. In tech and in entertainment, if you're not moving forward, you're dead. I know for a fact the concerns represented in your metaphorical comment card are not falling on deaf ears. Everyone in the organization cares deeply about this.

                                                    But this isn't a scenario where you follow a recipe and get the same thing back every time. Even if we wanted to do that, it's not possible.

                                                    You're dealing with real human beings (I know you know this but I'm laying out the rhetorical position so bear with me) engaging in the most intimate of acts, in front of a camera and crew, knowing they need to get it right whether they feel like it or not because they have to pay rent, and that rent money comes from your (and thousands of others') pockets.

                                                    So yeah, they're getting paid. They're pros. They show up and get to work. But they and the crew and the post team and the casting director and the sound guy and the makeup artist and the locations person and the corporate leadership are all humans and are doing their best. They got into this in the first place because they care. That hasn't gone away. But with money and more voices paying money it gets complicated and much, much harder with higher stakes and more ways to fuck up but they all still show up every day, caring, trying to do it better somehow and sometimes failing but caring and trying.

                                                    Anyway, I'm just trying to be real with you and not do the whole bullshit corporate-speak thing.

                                                    Every dollar you spend here is a vote of confidence that you think we can get it right, and we'll work hard to do that for you. But remember, please, there are many, many other voices we have to listen to as well. It's fuckin' hard and the world kinda sucks right now and the world's governments and financial systems are fully trying to destroy porn and everyone's fighting a battle we can't see so maybe we could all be a little kind to each other and see if that works.

                                                    That's it. That's all I got.

                                                    I sincerely, truly hope you have a great night/day/whatever it is wherever you are.

                                                      Will65 you cant get the burger that you like anymore

                                                      What's the burger you like that you can't get anymore? I'm genuinely asking. As I said above...let me see what I can do.

                                                      Edit: ALSO, you know your shit. You have tremendous institutional memory of what's been done before, what worked, what didn't, etc, etc. You should be a thought leader around here. Your voice should carry the weight of a thousand users. But most people don't want to rally around negativity, at least not for very long. (Not at all trying to get political, but to draw a circle around my point, even Trump got boring after a while. People who planted huge MAGA flags in their yards have moved on.)

                                                      If you were to rally the troops to shine a light on how things could be rather than mourning how things used to be, I honestly believe you'd be a big part of Making SLR Great Again.

                                                      If Leia Organa taught us anything, it's that hope and gold bikinis are timeless.

                                                      As always, just an opinion. Use what's helpful, discard the rest.

                                                      I'm rambling now. Off to bed with me.

                                                        justsomedude101 As I mentioned to Mutiny, you should look at the thread where @doublevr askes people why they think certain scenes didn't do well. Commenters in that thread replied:

                                                        "I don't care about tattoos but I'll happily never see giant fake balloon tits ever again."

                                                        "I understand that many women in porn have full-body tats and extensive surgeries. These women are for a very niche audience."

                                                        "I don't like big fake tits."

                                                        "I think the cast was no good 🤷‍♂️
                                                        Fake tits and ugly tattoos."

                                                        "Too much plastic."

                                                        "- not into the fake bimbo look so i didnt even watch it"

                                                        "Too "grotesque" for my taste. Sorry."

                                                        "Tatted up, piercings, absurd fake tits, ugly ear hoops, excess jewelry, etc. instant skip. Look at your top models on the site and almost none of them have any of this."

                                                        "Wow, way too much plastic, make-up, pumped lips for my tastes right off the bat."

                                                        Each of these comments makes the same point I did, and most of them are far more direct and abrasive. I'm willing to bet none of them were banned. Moreover, I don't think they should be banned. Either accept feedback, or don't. Banning feedback that annoys you - epecially on an arbitrary and somewhat personal basis - is lame.

                                                          I will say this. Calling a woman ugly (which is what “yuck” implies) should have no place on here. Talk of mutilation, ruining themselves etc etc should have no place on here. It’s a woman’s choice what she wants to do with her body not ours. Also, this is porn, if you’re not expecting to see plastic surgery, and fake boobs in particular, I don’t know what to tell you. It’s always been a huge part of porn and that’s because lots of men like women to have tits and ass, whether they’re fake tits or not.

                                                          All of that being said, it’s strange if they have just arbitrarily singled you out and banned you from commenting with no warning especially when others have said similar things. Perhaps delete the post and warn the person about future conduct before taking further action like bans.

                                                          Seriously though, VR porn in recent years is pretty much all natural young girls. You don’t have much to complain about on that front. You don’t see many scenes featuring big fake boobs.

                                                          Two tips for commenting:

                                                          1. Unless it is 100% positive, write it out in notepad and let it digest for at least a day before deciding to post it.

                                                          2. If what you are writing is something you would never say directly to the person/people in question if you met them face-to-face in real life, then don't post it.

                                                          Mutiny Though the reality here is thousands of people like it, and a handful don't. It's just that the handful are really fuckin' loud about it.

                                                          I assume this is about plastic surgery on tits. If so then I don't think this is a true statement. My guess is that more people would like a natural woman over surgically enhanced woman. Some people are really fuckin' loud about not liking it so the directors understand their side of dislike.

                                                          I really don't know what the percentages are for and against it. We should make a poll to get a better idea.