spacepirate2 all anyone is doing is voicing opinions on what they do and dont like
Yep. That's what I'm doing. Though there's a way to not be a jerk about it.
(At which, I admit, I'm not perfect because perfection is impossible and therefore foolish to attempt.)
LordCrash my point there is that some people are too sensitive. i dont disagree with what you are saying about acting like an asshole though. its a two way thing.. but people like to just point the finger at the asshole.
Mutiny The problem with all of this is that you are needlessly personalizing it. Like it or not, porn is a business. Comments suggesting I should just appreciate the performance of the model and be grateful for it are misguided. If the model did a video and presented it to me as a gift, I would be remiss to criticize. But that isn't what's happenning here: I am paying for a service. The model - her appearance, her talent, her presentation, her voice, her attitude - are THE PRODUCT. She is SELLING those items to me (or at least to SLR) for a fee. As such, I get to criticize the product, sorry. If I contract with you to paint my house and you do a shitty job, I get to say so, and if your feelings are hurt because I didn't appriciate your artistry, so be it. The product wasn't up to my standards, and I get to say so. I can see how you make the mistake: It is offensive to criticize a woman's body. But that changes when the woman commodifies herself by marketing all or part of herself for money. "I get paid a lot of money because I am beautiful and take a cock like a champ" and "Commenting negatively on my physical appearance or choice of surgical alterations to my appearance is inappropriate" are incompatible with each other - something about having your cake and eating it too.
Mutiny "Don't yuck other people's yum" is a cliche at this point.
This trope is inapplicable. I didn't criticize someone else for liking plastic models, I said that I didn't appreciate the number of plastic models we are seeing. Reading it your way suggests we should never say anything negative for fear that someone else may like it. I don't see how you can reasonably defend that stance, but I think you're actually trying to take it.
Mutiny Bottom line, I very sincerely care if you like something. I want you to get what you like.
I absolutely do not care if you don’t like something, as long as someone else does like it.
That's my position.
Porn is a business. If this is your position, then you are a bad businessperson. You are saying that if you make 100 of something, you only care if 1 person likes it? And that you really wouldn't care about the complaints of the other 99 people that didn't like your product? You could read all the 99 comments that say, "If you'd just put a handle on the side, we'd buy these like crazy" and not make the change because you only care about the one person that likes it?
Not to be mean, but that's the diffrence between an artist who makes PMVs on the side and a person like @doublevr who runs a business for profit. He constantly points to data, trends, and stats as "proof" of what the majority of users on his site like to guide his decisions and direction. Suppressing or ignoring criticism defeats all of that.
Will65 Comments suggesting I should just appreciate the performance of the model and be grateful for it are misguided.
At no point did I suggest this. I suggested you watch something else.
Will65 If I contract with you to paint my house
Unlike in your flawed metaphor here, you are not the only customer on SLR.
Will65 You are saying that if you make 100 of something, you only care if 1 person likes it?
No, I'm saying that if one person (you) doesn't like a thing and one person does (someone else), that's still a success. Though the reality here is thousands of people like it, and a handful don't. It's just that the handful are really fuckin' loud about it.
Will65 the majority of users on his site
The majority of users on the comment thread that launched this whole discussion told you what they thought of your opinion. That's also data.
Will65 Porn is a business.
Yes. Among many other things, it often is a business. And a business doesn't change its strategy because a tiny minority happens to screech.
I've asked you multiple times in this thread alone what you actually do like. I still have no idea.
There are many people here with whom I disagree on a lot, but you are the only person in this entire ecosystem for whom I literally cringe when your username pops up. Of the scores, possibly hundreds, of comments I've read from you, I remember maybe 3 that weren't aggressive whining. (Not to be mean.)
I'm just tired of it, man.
I want you to be happy. Truly I do.
But at this point I want you to know — and I mean this from the bottom of my heart — I sincerely consider you an acceptable loss.
Let's just ignore each other and live out our short lives on this planet a little happier for it.
I'm done.
Mutiny I'm not sure why you even engaged in the first place. I'm usually confused at that in general on site forums. Like you said - it isn't for you. Do people somehow think that I am commenting about what I want to or do not want to see for them somehow? I am commenting for the purpose of communicating my likes and dislikes to the site management. They seem to justify a lot of decisions with "well, everyone likes it" so it seems critical to speak up when I don't so that a) they know that not everyone likes it, and b) to encourage others who don't like it to speak up as well. People constantly comment with shit like "Well, you know, other people like this" - of course I know, you stated as much in your own comments. Why do you think you need to chastise mine because I disagree? Should I respond to every person who comments postively and asks for more of a video that I don't like , "you know, other people don't like this" ?
My comments are directed at the company. If you feel the need to argue with me or correct for reasons of your own, fine - I will discuss it with you. But remember - I didn't draw you into it. The way I see it, you entered my exchange with the company unbidden. The company seeks my feedback as a customer through feedback forums and comments. I did not seek yours. My opening comment on this very thread was addressed to support in general and @doublevr in particular. You can't help with my question, you just wanted to voice your opinion on something that didn't concern you. To then whine about how that conversation went seems a bit self-involved to me.
Mutiny I'm just tired of it, man
Move on, then. You chose to engage with me. It's silly to complain about your own choices.
Vrp has made me appreciate all hotties!
I normally wouldn't check out the plus size women or grandma's at my local shopping mart but after a few videos hell I'll give these hotties that look, like oh I know what you could do 
I'm such a perv 
Lol, I'd say in the last week I got three smiles from some hotties 
And them smiles reminded me of the same smiles from the hotties in "The PornaVRse
Appreciate all hotties 
To the hotties 
Mutiny At no point did I suggest this. I suggested you watch something else.
thats probably exactly what he did.. after sharing his thoughts
Mutiny Unlike in your flawed metaphor here, you are not the only customer on SLR.
someone running a painting business probably has more than a single customer you know
Will65 I'm not sure why you even engaged in the first place.
1) I am part of the company and I'm responding to your feedback. I've recently been hired to produce content for SLR Originals and I spend a lot of time every day on the forums and comment sections to learn what people want to see. As the wise man once said:
2) I don't moderate the forums or the comments sections on videos, but this thread was you asking a question (why was I blocked) and I attempted to answer it (you were body shaming).
Be well. May you get what you want.
Edit: I realize now that if you didn't know I'm speaking as someone who is planning to produce content for this very site and therefore speaking as someone trying to encourage you toward giving more helpful feedback....if you were responding to a fellow user just talking out of his ass....then your replies suddenly make a lot more sense.
I think maybe we've been talking past each other a bit. Understandable. Please re-read what I wrote with this context in mind.
Either way, don't body shame, man. It's gross.
Let me know what you want to see more of, and I'll see what I can do.
spacepirate2 someone running a painting business probably has more than a single customer you know
Yeah, but they don't all live in the same house.
This is why it's a bad metaphor.
Will65 I wrote a post on the Cj Miles video about disliking the amount of plastic performers recently. The comment was deleted, and now I can't comment on videos? Is this how SLR deals with criticism now?
I banned you from commenting on scenes. Your comment was insulting to the performer. I'm not a fan of that.
There are probably plenty of other worse comments on the site, and when I come across them I ban those users for X amount of time or permanently as well.
I'll unban you from commenting further in about 5 days once a week has run its course. I don't often ban/suspend users, but insulting models is something I have no tolerance for. Whether that was your intent or not, that's how it came across.
justsomedude101 As already mentioned in the discussion above, your business is in selling representations of models' bodies. You also actively solicit feedback on what we like or don't like about what you sell. That means that you are soliciting feedback regarding (among other things) what we like or don't like about models' bodies - or more accurately, types of models' bodies. Given that, how are we to express dislike about this aspect of your product without running afoul of your ban hammer or the rest of the thought police? Again, I did not insult the performer directly. I did not say that the performer, or her body modifications, are ugly (as @LordCrash did - who you frequently interact with quite pleasantly on these forums, and who received no such ban). I merely expressed displeasure with the number of models of that persuasion that we were seeing lately. Can you give some examples of expressing that sentiment in comments which would not be offensive to the model? It seems to me that commenting negatively on a model's (or category of models) appearance always has the potential to be received negatively, but that is a possibility one accepts when they sell their body/image/appearance. Don't get me wrong: I am absolutely sex-worker positive. I have friends in the industry (both as performers and providers), and have supported them in legal, professional, and personal ways through very stiff opposition and judgement and sometimes at great personal cost. Even so, I also have a really sensisitve bullshit detector, and this entire argument smells pretty bad. Not to antagonize, but if I had to guess I'd say that my comment offended you, not the model, and that you generally don't care for my feedback which is why I got the ban and others did not. Wield the rules equally and in an unbiased way, please.
I'm interested to see if you'll take any actions against the far shittier comments I pointed out that still stand. I can point out a LOT more if you'd like.
Will65 I am absolutely sex-worker positive. I have friends in the industry (both as performers and providers), and have supported them in legal, professional, and personal ways through very stiff opposition and judgement and sometimes at great personal cost.
This is rad. Thank you for doing that.
Will65 Given that, how are we to express dislike about this aspect of your product without running afoul of your ban hammer or the rest of the thought police?
Will65 Can you give some examples of expressing that sentiment in comments which would not be offensive to the model? It seems to me that commenting negatively on a model's (or category of models) appearance always has the potential to be received negatively, but that is a possibility one accepts when they sell their body/image/appearance.
You could achieve the desired effect by "liking" videos you like, commenting on videos you like asking for more like them, and talking on the forums about videos you like and would like to see more of.
But the fact that you don't like some doesn't change the fact that other people do like them and would like to see more like them.
(Unrelated, the word "like" looks super weird to me now.)
The ideal scenario is more for you, not less for others.
Mutiny This is eaxactly why I wouldn't aim my comment at the model, but at the casting director's choice of genre. Why would I want to hurt her? I have no beef with her - she is just doing her thing, getting by. I don't begrudge her that. But I can express my displeasure that it is not the porn I like, and that I would like to see less of it - and I wouldn't tell that directly to her, either. It's not like I called her up on her private number and told her that she sucks.
Will65 I don't know what else to tell you, man. The producers work hard to make the viewers happy, and your feedback will fall on much more eager ears if it's coming from a place of celebration of what's good rather than lambasting what's essentially a matter of personal preference, especially when other persons prefer it.
Flies, vinegar, honey...all that bullshit they teach us in elementary school.
I'm listening. I've told you the kind of feedback I'm looking for. Make your choices and it'll be what it is.
justsomedude101 my turn 
as a forum mod could you please unban me or share some reasonable justification for my apparently unwarranted forum ban? and i mean something other than the reason i got which was essentially "fuck you in particular"
Will65 I'm interested to see if you'll take any actions against the far shittier comments I pointed out that still stand. I can point out a LOT more if you'd like.
Already done for several, before you even commented. But it's almost midnight, so I'll look the the rest another time. And yes, if you know of other similar comments or come across them, please do share.
As for the rest - there are plenty of topics I love hearing feedback and input on. Just look at the forum for the past week and the amount of input we've solicited for and received from users is insane.
To be absolutely transparent: this is not one of those topics. I do not care what your opinion is on this one.
If you want to criticize a performer or a casting choice, find a less abrasive/degrading/insulting way to do it. It's not difficult. If I see a comment from you or anyone else that I read or interpret as degrading/insulting, I will delete it and take what I consider to be appropriate action. Subscriptions to SLR are for the content. The ability to comment is a nice extra bonus that can be removed at our discretion (i.e. based on my opinion/interpretation), which for me happens to be triggered when performers are personally insulted or degraded.
Mutiny Perhaps. But why does @doublevr start threads on this forum asking why a certain subset of scenes did not "do well"? By which he meant, "Why didn't you watch them? Why didn't they get likes?"
Read through that thread, and you'll see that the answer to that question was, pretty clearly, users found the models unattractive. There was other stuff, to be sure, but the overwhelming answer was that they didn't want to see the type of model that was being presented.
So it is alright for the owner to solicit negative feedback when they feel like it? And it is alright to express that opinion when the owner asks you directly, but not in the public comments section? Seems pretty hypocritical to me. Rules for thee, but not for me.
