spacepirate I'm late to the party on this but my understanding is when he said "anal is default" what he meant was "producers should always ask if she's down to do anal". Doesn't mean every scene will or even should be, just that we never miss an opportunity simply because we didn't ask.
And the BGG default is so that if someone cancels last minute, isn't feeling well, etc, a BG shoot can still proceed.
Definitely more ebony content, the number of black content is almost laughable.
Not expecting an overnight change, but gradual inclusion would be fine
spacepirate Yes, exactly. I didn't answer the rest of his post because it was kind of a rant and it seemed clear he didn't really read it.
spacepirate i know you are a huge anal fan and your agenda is get more anal content but you should understand that anal isnt nearly popular enough to warrant scenes being anal by default.
Will65 My specific objection was in reply to @doublevr saying that they would shoot BGG and anal BY DEFAULT. I don't begrudge anyone anal scenes - I'll just skip them. But shooting both of these categories by default seems like massive overreach to me.
Mutiny I'm late to the party on this but my understanding is when he said "anal is default" what he meant was "producers should always ask if she's down to do anal". Doesn't mean every scene will or even should be, just that we never miss an opportunity simply because we didn't ask.
I think this could have been more clear, since obviously not everyone is familiar with castings/shoots.
Not every performer is willing to shoot anal content, and of those who are willing - they may not be able to on any given day for a wide variety of reasons.
Similarly for bgg+ scenes - cancelations happen at a much higher rate than I imagine anyone who is not familiar would expect, so by booking 2+ girls you're covering yourself by allowing for a b/g scene to happen if there is indeed a cancelation.
Just to give an idea - of the approx. 17 scenes in the current post-production pipeline: 3 include anal. And of those 17 scenes, 8 are bgg+ (and 9 are b/g).
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justsomedude101 Just to give an idea - of the approx. 17 scenes in the current post-production pipeline: 3 include anal. And of those 17 scenes, 8 are bgg+ (and 9 are b/g).
those numbers seem totally reasonable to me. is the proportion of anal or threesome scenes going to increase beyond that?
spacepirate those numbers seem totally reasonable to me. is the proportion of anal or threesome scenes going to increase beyond that?
I'm no psychic (...unless?), but with the 20 scheduled shoots on the docket: 1 is planned for anal and 11 are bgg+, so I would expect the law of averages to put it not too far off from the sample size I mentioned.
spacepirate the Reddit post he linked to was entitled ‘why is VR so focused on anal and threesomes’. The post on here about default anal scenes has not materialised so he is complaining about something which hasn’t happened yet nor do I expect it to.
Will’s post also went on to endorse the guys views that VR should be about real sex with real looking girls instead of the girls all looking like strippers covered in tattoos with fake tits. That there should be no performance, no dirty talk, just quietly whimpering “I love you” in your ear and then staring tenderly in your eyes as you gently make love. Basically removing the entertainment side from adult entertainment. There’s a place for those scenes but they absolutely should not be the norm. Most scenes are pretty GFE vanilla as it is and most do not feature fake tits and lots of tattoos.
I am an anal fan but I am not someone who expects or feels entitled to get what they want 100% of the time. I just wanted them to regularly pepper in some anal scenes. If they’re releasing 4 or 5 scenes per week, maybe 1 could be anal and the other 4 non anal. Studios were going 6 months, some 12 months without a single anal scene.
I wanted to feel like, if they hired an anal specialist, if a Tommy King, Maddy May, April Olsen, Emma Hix, showed up, there was a decent chance it would include some anal sex. Not every time of course, I’m not looking to ruin things for anyone else, but a decent proportion of the time so that it’s not like now where I’m totally shocked if a scene includes anal. Think of a site like Brazzers for example who most would consider are a vanilla site but, if they shoot a Jane Wilde, an Adriana Chechik, Angela White, Bridgette B etc. it’s often an anal scene.
VR shoot lots of new girls who don’t do anal so anal will never be the default and it shouldn’t be unless you are an anal themed site.
justsomedude101 Similarly for bgg+ scenes - cancelations happen at a much higher rate than I imagine anyone who is not familiar would expect, so by booking 2+ girls you're covering yourself by allowing for a b/g scene to happen if there is indeed a cancelation.
Yeah, but then you're effectively saying that if a scene is BG it was only because someone didn't show up. Not BG for the sake of BG (to satisfy those who like / prefer that) but because it was the only way to salvage the shoot. Makes financial sense, I'm sure, but it says to people who prefer BG over BGG+ that they aren't a core audience for you any more. Which kind of stings. Then the points that @Will65 made about the issues in doing scripts for scenes with many performers also I think are worth considering. As the premium brand for scripted content, SLRs scripts ought to be first rate, every time, and in ever-increasing numbers.
For myself, I don't mind BGG or even BGGG but that's about as far as I want to go, and honestly more than one girl is only really enjoyable for me if I'm into their interactions with each other, and if they do interact fully in the scene, and no, just double-teaming you is not enough. I have zero desire to be the sole centre of attention for multiple performers, it's not a fantasy of mine and never has been. At the same time I'm not much into GFE either. One-on-one with someone you only just met or shouldn't be doing it with is much hotter to me than imaginary girlfriend sex. But I find relationships tedious generally so I guess that's just my kink :-)
Look, no-one can reasonably expect all the content to be exactly what they prefer, unless it's a studio specifically dedicated to that sort of content, and SLR is not a specialist studio (although it does play one on TV from time to time). But announcing a shift in focus for your default setup is going to make some people feel like they're getting the short end of the stick. It doesn't surprise me at all that not everyone is OK with it. At the same time, whatever general direction you announce is going to piss someone off. I guess that's what this forum is for, as long as we all keep it civil...
BungaBunga Yeah, but then you're effectively saying that if a scene is BG it was only because someone didn't show up. Not BG for the sake of BG (to satisfy those who like / prefer that) but because it was the only way to salvage the shoot.
I mentioned one more post down that we still shoot plenty of b/g scenes as planned b/g scenes, not just due to castings falling through.
justsomedude101 with the 20 scheduled shoots on the docket: 1 is planned for anal and 11 are bgg+
so 9 scenes scheduled out of 20 that are by default planned as b/g scenes.
When the boss states an intention going forward - which it what this post was - it is legitimate to reply to it.
petermc That there should be no performance, no dirty talk, just quietly whimpering “I love you” in your ear and then staring tenderly in your eyes as you gently make love. Basically removing the entertainment side from adult entertainment.
This is why I said you misunderstood the post. The author was remarking that there could be more realistic scenes, and not to the degree you are suggesting. There was certainly a degree of exagerration going on, but it is often remarked upon in comments when girls are over-the-top yammering ridiculous porn dialogue the entire time.
petermc Normal girls aren’t out there fucking hundreds of strangers on camera for money. Only slutty girls do that and I don’t mean that in a derogatory way. You have to be someone who wants sex all the time in order to do that job. So yeah, lots of girls in porn look like slutty strippers because that’s what they are and they would tell you that themselves.
Yes, and they are also acting roles in those parts. They manage to act like secretaries, schoolgirls, cosplay characters, and even weird aliens - all things I am sure they are not, even if they are all "slutty strippers" ( I disagree, btw. I know a not inconsiderable number of adult actresses and sex workers, and they are not all "slutty strippers"). The point was that the scenarios in which they are acting could include more normal and realistic set-ups a little more frequently. It's not out of the question to meet a person in a hotel bar on a trip, hook-up, and have normal (though undoubtably hot) sex. It's much more likely that that happens than that the person spews a non-stop steam of porn stereotype dirty talk and howls like a banshee while begging you to do some porn-y thing - so for god's sake, stop shooting it that way. VR is mainly about immersion, and it is much easier to become immersed in a scene that is at least remotely plausible than some boring old porn stereotype that we've all seen a thousand times. Arguing that it it just has to be like every other flat-porn sterotype that we've been watching since the 70s - but in 3D - is a waste of the medium, imo. Might as well bring back the cheesy porn guitar licks, too.
They don't ALL have to be that way, but the boss did say he was changing the DEFAULT (though @justsomedude101 clarified things later). I still think we should have more of this, and less sterotype porn. Get models who are great at VR (meaning they have a modicum of acting talent and can sell it) and shoot them, instead of trying to land every new girl in their first VR whether they understand how to use the medium or not. And if you must have all newbies all the time, at least direct them better. Storyboard it for them. Explain how to sell it. Explain why the positions need to be shot in a certain way. Have them be aware of at what point their head will be cut off, or at what point they will be too close to the camera, or how back arching or weird lean-backs distort the fisheye image. Lately it seems that you just book people and hope for the best, and you seem to be focused more on run-of-the-mill gimmick filled 3D porn, instead of the immersive VR that you were GREAT at.
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rerun119 maybe alex nash could win some awards but the other producers have a snowballs chance in hell of winning anything
