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Best of luck, this all sounds very innovative and progressive with a real drive to make some much needed improvements.

Don't forget that at the end of the day a good performance and premise will always be better than all the production and resolution in the world. Focus on talent and a good premise and performance, the rest can be secondary. Just because this is VR doesn't mean that the same does not apply to the idea of people preferring to watch a great film in 720p vs a crap movie in 4k. Take notice of what has made production companies successful in the 2D space and use that information, instead of thinking that production quality and a higher resolution is going to make everything else better.

One of my favorite non vr sites of all time is inthecrack Mostly all solo girl scenes, im sure not everyone's taste but they were always consistent in using top notch talent from europe and the US in beautiful locations, most were rentals, and it was all about enjoying the entire beauty of the girl from her head to her toes with plenty of emphasis on best features.

Another studio making incredible scenes since their inception is the Vixen and tushy sites. Absolutely top tier talent and also incredible locations, some even a little acting and story. Both of these scenes, as well as the now mostly dead perfecgonzo had absolutely top tier female talent and they also had the great production quality to follow it.

I would love to have someone hand these 2 production companies a VR camera and see what they come up with, even if they dont shoot it as a POV. I would give a left nut to re-watch some of my favorite scenes of theirs from a VR perspective.

LordCrash True, but they don't have scripts. A big part of the problem for me is that SLR has basically cornered the market on scripts. They have the only marketplace open to sell scripts with streamable sync'd videos. Therefor, even though there is a community of scripters, they generally don't want to script anything unless it's on SLR, since that is the best place to sell them. I can't even pay them to do so anymore, even offerring commissions in excess of $200 for a scene, since the effort is so great they really need the resale market to be strong.

Unfortunately, SLR is slowly moving away from script-friendly videos - they want to shoot BGGA, BGGGA, BGGGGGGGGGGGGG, etc and they shoot them both overlong and in artistic ways that aren't friendly to scripts (bad angles, lots of wiggling and grinding instead of stroking, etc). Add to that other big studios that do produce BG or GFE content have left SLR (VRB, VRC, VRcosplay) and what we have left is a bunch of middling shaky-cam studios and the one big player (SLR) who doesn't want to produce script-friendly content while simultaneously expounding on the joy of interactive porn on the one marketplace for scripters. DeepInSex is a notable exception. VREdging, too, though BJ only is uninteresting to me and their camera rig is straight out of 2017.

IMHO, SLR effectively cornered the market on interactive porn and scripting, and then wrecked it. It isn't just me that feels this way, either. Many of the scripters I've talked with feel the same.

      Will65
      Well, tbh I personally think that scripts are still a niche market within the niche market that is VR porn.

      I'd really like to know how many scripts were actually sold for a regular SLRO scene and I'd like to know the ratio between people who watch the scene and people who buy scripts for it.

      Maybe I'm totally wrong on this one but I think from a financial standpoint scripts are just not the biggest argument for the selection of scenes for SLR right now. While being a cool feature and likely essential for those who are really into scripts it's probably something rather neglectable in the bigger numbers.

          LordCrash I don't think it is quite a niche, but I would be interested in seeing some numbers like percentage of subs who also have a script subscription. Number of sales might be skewed a bit since subs get 3 free downloads a month and unlimited streaming, so many users just download their allotment and dont pay more.

          Even so, SLR clearly sees some value in it, considering the investment they have made thus far. The number of users who invest in an interactive toy is related to how many videos they will actually use that toy with, so creating and dominating the market for scripts while also investing in creating your own interactive toy - but then not shooting your own script-friendly content?

          That doesn't make sense to me.

            metichemsi Sounds attractive doesn't it?

            Until you consider that the high-quality scripts are written frame-by-frame. A 120 minute SLR original shot at 60 fps has 432,000 frames to look at (120 mins * 60 secs per min * 60 frames per second). Eeven at 30fps, it is 216,000 frames.

            The simplest 30 minute video still contains 54,000 frames (30 mins * 60 sec per min * 30 fps).

            It is a LOT of work.

                Will65 Give me your top 3 wish list wankzvr scenes. I have a povr sub right now and want to give making scripts a try, I want my first attempt to be a scene that someone actually wants, that way I can get some objective feedback, no promises on how long it will take, but at least someone else will be working on these. I've got some ideas I want to test out with this software.

                  didnt get a chance yet to read thru all of the posts but definitely slowly catching up on what’s been happening here on SLR 😌

                  doublevr Shooting BGGA by default. A is for Anal. Where possible

                  doublevr Cool VFX like DickRunner scenes



                  No need to re-invent the wheel, or raise the novely/stakes ever higher. Remember: it's Virtual REALITY. And you are Sex Like REAL. Keep it simple, and shoot it perfectly. We already have Wankz for gonzo porn, NAVR for silicone creations, and VR Conk/VRCosplay for fringe fantasy. Go back to what you were good at.

                        is that the GFE kind of scenes? unsure nor have i paid close attention to how they turn out since i skip to the riding scenes :’(

                        Will65 in what way is VR porn focused on anal sex? People are seriously deluded if they don’t think VR porn focuses mainly on the very thing he’s asking for, vanilla GFE scenes with flat chested teen looking girl next door types. It’s like they can’t take it if even one scene every blue moon isn’t what they want.

                        There’s one VR site in the world that you could argue focuses on anal threesomes (Realjamvr). That’s it, one site. Anal barely features at all on any of the main studios. If you look at SLR as a whole, with all the third party studios included, there’s 863 anal scenes out of 12,549 videos. That may even be after my hidden studios are removed from the total so it could be even more of a disparity. Tell me again how VR porn is focused on anal scenes.

                        Let’s put all this “it’s virtual REALITY” and “sex like REAL” nonsense to bed too. No one wants to watch real people have real sex, it would be horrific to watch and scenes would last 10 minutes, if that. If people want to have boring sex with a normal girl, go and get one. It’s “virtual reality PORN” and porn is not about real people having sex with their girlfriend (though there’s plenty of amateur stuff out there if that’s really what you want to see). Porn is about fantasy, it’s about girls who are hotter than your girlfriend doing stuff your girlfriend probably doesn’t often do like sucking dick, multiple positions, taking cum on their face and, yes, maybe even taking it in the ass.

                        It may also surprise you to learn that pornstars often look like strippers because that’s what many of them start out as. Men like going to see strippers as they are hot to look at. Normal girls aren’t out there fucking hundreds of strangers on camera for money. Only slutty girls do that and I don’t mean that in a derogatory way. You have to be someone who wants sex all the time in order to do that job. So yeah, lots of girls in porn look like slutty strippers because that’s what they are and they would tell you that themselves. I’ve heard many girls say “if you’re not a slut, porn isn’t the job for you!”.

                        This VR community obsession with every single scene having to be what you want 100% of the time is nuts. Don’t people want any variety at all, does it have to be a girlfriend simulation every time with a pornstar who looks like she’s not a pornstar? Why can’t you all be happy with 95% of scenes being what you want and leave the scraps to the rest of us.

                        Seriously, the scene that guy describes sounds like the most boring shit I’ve ever heard.

                            Tired of BGG and BGGG scenes, in the last month, and judging by the number of likes, they are not more popular than BG scenes.

                            Last 20 BGG and BGGG (and Harem) scenes (when adding number of likes together, and dividing by 20) have average of about 2400 likes, almost the same as BG scenes.

                            Also i was happy to see new Uma Jolie scene, but of course it's threesome, and she leaves in the middle of it.

                            I also don't like BGG+ scenes so this is not a good news for me.
                            That being said, I'm not the selfish type and I can understand some people somehow love BGGGGGGGG scenes so I'm fine if there are some here and there but it should not be the standard.
                            Just like I accepted that anal scenes sadly can't be the standard, even though I wish they were 100% of the scenes.
                            I can understand some people might not like them.
                            BUT I find it hilarious when people complain about a scene having anal because they don't like it and are furious. When 95% of scenes don't have anal (hell even anal scenes usually are not even 100% anal!!!), I don't think these people have an actual right to complain.
                            Following their logic, I should post on every comment section for all these 95% of scenes "no anal, it sucks, unwatchable". Because that's exactly what the anal haters do when systematically posting.
                            So yeah I agree with @petermc some people can't accept they won't be always happy. I already accepted it since I only watch anal scenes.
                            It's even more frustrating when a girl regularly shoots anal on 2D porn, and never did it on VR. Or did it once when she already did it 100000 times on 2D porn.
                            This is something I will never understand.

                              petermc uhh his comment was in response the slr announcement that scenes would be threesomes with anal by default.

                              i know you are a huge anal fan and your agenda is get more anal content but you should understand that anal isnt nearly popular enough to warrant scenes being anal by default.

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                                  • Post #70

                                  @doublevr Could someone please remove the word "Tomorrow" from the thread title? Each time I read that word I get excited followed by instant disappointment when I realize it's an old one. It's a bit frustrating, so I would appreciate it if we could update the title. 😅

                                    spacepirate I'm late to the party on this but my understanding is when he said "anal is default" what he meant was "producers should always ask if she's down to do anal". Doesn't mean every scene will or even should be, just that we never miss an opportunity simply because we didn't ask.

                                    And the BGG default is so that if someone cancels last minute, isn't feeling well, etc, a BG shoot can still proceed.

                                        Definitely more ebony content, the number of black content is almost laughable.
                                        Not expecting an overnight change, but gradual inclusion would be fine

                                        wenworth My specific objection was in reply to @doublevr saying that they would shoot BGG and anal BY DEFAULT. I don't begrudge anyone anal scenes - I'll just skip them. But shooting both of these categories by default seems like massive overreach to me.

                                            spacepirate Yes, exactly. I didn't answer the rest of his post because it was kind of a rant and it seemed clear he didn't really read it.