Feedback. Less all the time?

fenderwq

doublevr well SLR is my favourite vr site and part of that is the willingness of SLR to innovate and experiment (the other part of course the content). I also think you made vr very accessible to the masses, which someone that watches vr more casually than I will especially appreciate. You also have a cool player that lots of user are more than happy with. Those are all things that that dev money has bought you right?

As for the rest I'm afraid I still just don't see how it would be so bad for some of the more involved users to make up their own mind about what player to use.

Also if I where to use another player as deovr exclusively I'd still have a yearly membership at SLR + scripts.

doublevr

fenderwq appreciated 👍

LordCrash

doublevr What are we even discussing here?

Simple: That you still have the inferior VR player.

You described why you don't like HS and I got it and appreciate the honesty. Problem remains that the player you offer is inferior to HS and therefore the OP is right with his critique from a customer perspective. As soon as DeoVR is as good or better as HS again I might also change my player again. That's up on you guys though.

frank43

I think he's talking about in the SLR app, it's not there where it arguably is needed most since I don't use scripts WITHOUT the app

someoneX

doublevr How do XBVR and HS steal content? They just allow users to use content they bought from SLR and studio websites in the way they prefer. Even if you support a different player we will still have to pay you for the content.

The layout with title screen thumbnails, hash tags and cuepoints aren't that unique and the most logical way to present and manage videos. I don't see how someone can steal such basic concepts.

I guess the real problem is that Herephere API allows every small studio to offer streaming. That's why CzechVR, Naughty America, Wankz/POVR and soon Badoink network support that API - they want to offer streaming without investing in their own player or sharing revenue with SLR.

mebejoe

Jacksonjdr94 I don't envy those who have purchased a lifetime subscription.

I have a lifetime subscription and have for years-- please don't feel sorry for me. There's more great stuff here than I have time to watch. And the SLR app is much better than what the other sites offer.

bobbytables

doublevr wait wait wait. Are you earnestly trying to argue that he "stole" concepts from a public-facing UI? If that's the case that we can claim you stole the concept of video streaming entirely from a number of websites. The web is a contributory ecosystem where the tide rises all ships. If he didn't steal source code from you then there is literally no argument. The majority of the modern web and the tools you use are quite literally ideas copied from others. Dude I don't know how ANYONE can try to claim that it's theft to create the same features as present elsewhere on the internet. Your entire video layout only exists because of patterns that one person created and rinse-repeat stolen across the web.

rerun119

doublevr I don't understand. I'm not a computer programmer. I had Heresphere before i had ever heard of Deovr player. Since he had it first did you steal from him in the beginning? I use it for every video and site other than SLR. How is Heresphere better than Deo if he is stealing from you? Is your 6dof a stolen feature? One of the best things that Heresphere does is have that always on and works amazingly. Deo player would be a lot better if you had that too. Steal it.

Does letting the customer use it somehow allow him to steal. I still need a subscription to SLR.

If I have to use Deovr player especially because you don't want me to download then make it as good as Heresphere. That would make life a lot easier.

Please don't be mad at me because I like Heresphere better. Make Deovr player better than Heresphere and we the customer all win.

petermc

If SLR don’t want to work with the Heresphere guy, that’s their decision. The fact is that they are, as I understand it, the number one VR porn site by some distance. If they went all in on Heresphere, it would undoubtedly lead to greater sales for the guy who owns it and they don’t want him to use their content to sell his VR player. By not supporting Heresphere, they are keeping a lot of people off it and using their own player instead. If people desperately want to watch SLRO stuff on Heresphere, they can but SLR aren’t going to set up an API over there and make it easy for him to make extra money off the back of their content if they don’t want to.

As for VRB leaving? They can’t control what third party studios choose to do with their own content.

I’m not saying all this as some SLR shill, I complain often about the lack of variety in their content. Fair is fair though, some things they can’t control and sometimes you don’t do business with people you don’t like/trust. It’s as simple as that.

doublevr

petermc Thx for brining some sanity into this thread 👍

spacepirate

doublevr we pay a lot to stay ahead of competition getting the best devs

clearly thats not the case because one ordinary guy has built a better app than your team of superstar devs

dango789

Jacksonjdr94 While I think it's a bit extreme to say they're taking away more than they add, you do have a point that SLR does have a tendency to take away features from subscribers. First it removed DLNA (only to add it back later), then all the points you listed as well. Every time, it's led to many disgruntled customers and a PR disaster.

I think SLR would benefit greatly from adopting a customer first mindset. Every decision should make the customer experience better, not worse. If anything gets removed, give the customers even more in return.

For example:
1) Removing Heresphere support -> Make DeoVR even better
Find out why so many users prefer Heresphere. Get devs to implement the features that users love, then add more features to make it even better. Nobody would complain about Heresphere if DeoVR was a far better player.

2) Losing VRBangers & VRConk -> Make deals with other bigger and better studios
We instantly lost hundreds of quality videos. Work towards signing on other big studios and get those videos replaced.

I think SLR does do a lot of things right. They added new features such as the hide feature, pass-through and BYOJ. They have great casting. They are actively looking to improve the UI. If they adopt a customer first mindset to EVERYTHING they do, they'll be loved by everybody.

doublevr

dango789 would you be available to lead any of these?

dango789

doublevr Thanks for considering me, I’m flattered! I’d love to help but unfortunately I cannot commit at this stage. I’d be happy to give occasional feedback though!

doublevr

dango789 i can give occasional feedback on everything too. I need someone to make things happen to get you guys happy.

mookiemeatball

doublevr In other words, you really don't care about his criticisms. Your response is essentially, "You want to do it"? Very passive aggressive way of saying F off, you don't care, isn't it?

bobbytables

doublevr you've done almost zero work actually responding and following through with feedback. You actively remove features for zero benefit, and when brought up nothing happens. I've been working in greenfield software for years, eventually managing and being the PM of multiple projects, i know the ins and outs of problems users don't realize. But that said I also know that most of the complaints are incredibly easily fixed. unless your codebase is a total dumpster fire there's zero reason for some features to be removed and never reappear (i.e. the interactive toggle). It's actually baffling. I'd apply to work with SLR but I know for certain you and I wouldn't get along, because I'd push for truly positive changes people want. things like:

separate category for passthrough videos
- Passthrough features like a color picker for those not wanting to use passthrough. Why your other employee(?) said that choosing a color reduces framerates lower than passthrough is beyond me. That's a massive red flag for some serious serious engineering issues.
pull back on # of videos per week and instead push back toward a happy medium for release # and production budget
proper filtering tools for lists
actually better video production. IDK what happened, but if you compare video releases from last year to today the quality, the actual like bitrate and lighting and color, is horrible in comparison to what we had a year or two ago. For example the latest taboo scene, shot in what looks like the same place as that one Xxlayna scene, but somehow leagues worse in quality. Meanwhile competitors are actually crushing it on video quality (POVR, Wankz, etc).
an actual save to favorites button that is separate from like button to better judge engagement (many people use like just to save for watching later)
spending more money on better contracts with bigger studios and less on hardware projects. Your ROI on contracts is almost always going to be better than ROI on hardware, no matter what the industry is.
higher requirements for video submission from third party productions.
checklist of requirements for all SLR productions driven by video segment analytics (not sure if you have the data, but you should get it if you don't )
potentially moving over to a split subscription model. i.e. let people subscribe to SLR originals only for a reduced fee. Especially stream only.
etc.

doublevr

mookiemeatball not as negative as you put it. That's really sick. Like really

abcrebel

mookiemeatball That's not how I interpreted it. Good points were made, and the response imo was epic ... I'm still looking on the floor trying to find where the mic dropped 😁 It's slightly entertaining that this same scenario plays out on comment threads on news sites and social media. Everybody has their truthful opinion on how to change things to solve a problem or make something or a situation better. That is ... from behind a keyboard. Nothing wrong with that, but there's a saying "easier said than done." I think doublevr's response was a short and clever way of reflecting back the sentiment that "It takes teamwork to make the dream work."

doublevr

bobbytables Why your other employee(?) said that choosing a color reduces

are you familiar with unity?

bobbytables pull back on # of videos per week and instead push back toward a happy medium for release # and production budget

we never had quantity over quality approach. it just happens that we have multiple production team and it makes sense for us to expand. if you can level up production quality then be my guest.

bobbytables proper filtering tools for lists

like what?

bobbytables IDK what happened, but if you compare video releases from last year to today the quality, the actual like bitrate and lighting and color, is horrible in comparison to what we had a year or two ago.

can you be more specific? just bring an example to make things clear enough for everyone.

bobbytables an actual save to favorites button that is separate from like button to better judge engagement

it's in works

bobbytables spending more money on better contracts with bigger studios

That's not how it works. SLR is welcoming for everyone, others aren't. Apple, Google, Samsung aren't the most cooperative when it comes to smartphone markets and competitive products. I don't think I have to explain this as it's all over the place LOL

bobbytables higher requirements for video submission from third party productions.

How would you implement it?

bobbytables checklist of requirements for all SLR productions driven by video segment analytics

Imagine you have all the data. What the logic would be? What would you be looking at?

bobbytables potentially moving over to a split subscription model. i.e. let people subscribe to SLR originals only for a reduced fee.

Why would we? It's a huge development task that brings nothing but trouble in every aspect you look at it LOL

bobbytables if you would be able to bring these into life I can see us working together. pick one of those things you can perform best at and we have a deal.

Message https://forum.sexlikereal.com/d/2684-come-join-the-slr-team whenever ready

dango789

abcrebel The difference is that we are customers, not employees. They are getting paid to do their jobs. Imagine if you make a suggestion to an airline to provide more legroom and they ask you to find and install the new seats yourself. Or imagine if you tell the waiter at a restaurant that your food is cold and they tell you to warm it up yourself. Customers have a right to give feedback and great companies listen.

I understand that SLR is short-staffed and may not have the capacity to do everything it wants. And that is all the more reason to adopt a customer first approach. Before removing features, ask if you have the capacity to replace it with something better. If not, simply don't remove it or your customers will get disgruntled.

doublevr

dango789 There's no more customer oriented VR than SLR. Period.

Stop making shit up. US Airlines is the worst shit ever unless you do super high class or private jet.

bobbytables

doublevr my dude you actively antagonize your paying customers on forums and ignore repeated feedback. that's hardly customer oriented

dango789

doublevr I've mostly been a fan of SLR and have been supportive of most of your initiatives. I'd like to stay this way, but it makes it difficult when you get defensive and fight with your customers.

My opinion is that SLR taking away DLNA, Heresphere, downloads etc worsens the customer experience and leads to disgruntled customers. If you insist that customers are happy about these decisions despite all our collective feedback, then nothing I say will be able to change your mind.

I do think that SLR does a lot of things right, but some of the things you do infuriates so many people. I don't want to fight with you, so let's take a step back.

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