SLR Streaming vs Downloads data

jacky68

Mutiny My theory? People invested in faster internet when they were quarantining at home so they didn't need to pre-download as much.

My theory is that downloading videos is a gateway to sharing stuff via torrent or otherwise. Makes people lazy to access the official site.

LordCrash

jacky68
That theory makes no sense at all, sorry. There is not point in sharing VR porn with anybody for the HUGE majority of people who download content.

Downloading videos is for people (like me) who want maximum quality while being independent from internet, service provider and content availabiltiy. SLR can always decide that this scene or that scene won't be available anymore tomorrow, just like every other streaming service out there like Netflix. The whole streaming industry is based on the goodwill and caprice of the streaming providers and the stuff you like in their service today might be gone for good tomorrow. Every scene I download today is mine forever though. I can watch it 24/7 without internet connection, without access to SLR and I'll still be able to watch it once SLR might have gone out of business one day...

albertleder

I watch a download multiple times(usually over 10 times) but it only shows up as 1 download.
When I stream and watch multiple times it gets added up.

doublevr

albertleder likewise you might only stream whatever seconds and you might never open a file that you downloaded

argyle43

albertleder when I look at my VR download library, the lion’s share is content from other studios with no ties to SLR. And most of that now is CVR and NA (two studios that I can’t lifetime sub). My SLR download library is a handful of originals that I’d absolutely want to be able to access when circumstances prevent me from streaming. That used to be when my Internet was down, but sadly with the recent move to the 190 deg format, that collection is going to have to start growing now too. Hopefully the team can find some way to make files from new rig stream compatible to all the headsets as we’ll probably be waiting awhile yet for an improved Quest and/or introduction of Apple headset. Isn’t seeming very likely though </sigh>

gurphh

doublevr Just curious... what's on the Y axis? Is it "video count" (and if so, what happens when the user stops and resumes, later or directly), or is it some time unit, like "minutes".

spacepirate

gurphh Just curious... what's on the Y axis? Is it "video count" (and if so, what happens when the user stops and resumes, later or directly), or is it some time unit, like "minutes".

the axis isnt labelled so it can be whatever you want it to be 😉

presumably its bytes of data

gurphh

spacepirate presumably its bytes of data

Yeah, possibly. Didn't even think of that one.

doublevr

gurphh rather watched time

gurphh

doublevr So you actually know how long time I spend watching the downloaded files? Impressive! 😉

doublevr

gurphh it's time watched vs video downloads.
The point is that streaming grows and downloads aren't

argyle43

petermc the only meaningful comparison would be minutes watched vs. minutes watched. And it’s impossible to measure that for downloads. The basic TLDR of my post above. gurphh got it right.

argyle43

doublevr it's time watched vs video downloads.
The point is that streaming grows and downloads aren't

that’s an apples to tennis shoes comparison though. you guys have forced me to download your last three scenes since I cannot stream them any longer (unless of course the mood strikes to watch my porn through a turned around telescope). So in the case of the Mean Girls release, that’s one download, except I’ve already watched that one download for five hours, something you’ve got zero way to measure, but very germane to your comparison. And the truth is, your download volumes are only going to grow with your move to exclude people with older hardware from streaming your latest original scenes.

For your comparison metrics to come close to meaning anything here, I guess I should download the scene each time I want to watch it ? 🤔

I think it’s safe to conclude that the steeper slope on the streaming graph just means your content is getting a lot better, and it is. As I recall you guys started started standing out via SLRO content with the cheerleader threesome. You’ve frustratingly removed actual dates from your scene history, so difficult to see if that scene coincides exactly with the separation of the stream vs. download slopes, but looks like I downloaded that scene early Feb of 2020 so the timing does look to agree with your chart, and I’ve also streamed that one plenty!

I do seriously doubt any trained statistician would ever agree with the conclusion you seem to want to make about downloads. I certainly hope you’re not trying to make the case to remove downloads here. Especially now with this move to 190deg format.

gurphh

doublevr The point is that streaming grows and downloads aren't

Regardless of how true that is, I get the feeling you want us to move towards less downloading and more streaming. If so, why? I mean, it's not like we who mainly download will suddenly end our subscription and only watch our downloaded files. Right? Personally I can't see myself ever watching mainly streams, for many reasons. So please don't go too far with this. I will leave if you do.

withy

argyle43 I made this exact point for this graph over at Reddit and he called me names (as usual). I am a PhD level statistician. It is easy to see that he is creating the graph to support the conclusion he wants. Cherry picking data doesn't work on data scientists 😆

argyle43

petermc exactly a point I tried to make above

argyle43 I think it’s safe to conclude that the steeper slope on the streaming graph just means your content is getting a lot better, and it is.

Increased quantity multiplied by longer time streaming views would support that conclusion, whereas downloads would continue to increase on a more constant and less steep slope; exactly what is depicted.

But I disagree the chart tells us that “streaming is greater than downloads”, unless we can see data around how often files are opened and how long they are watched once downloaded. The conclusions around that are just guessed at above.

petermc

Streams will always be way higher than downloads now that streaming is decent quality. Even if you are someone (like me) who does download your favourite scenes to keep them, you’ll still have streamed it first to see if it’s worth downloading so, at the very least it’s one stream and one download. You’ll also have streamed hundreds of scenes that you ultimately decide aren’t good enough to download. There’s also times when I just can’t be bothered getting the laptop out, plugging in external hard drives etc. I just switch the Quest 2 on and stream the scene instead.

argyle43

Pulling this part of the thread back out too. That “bullshit” I was ordered to stop bringing…

the key language there is “any time soon”, and what just happened…

Probably better lock this thread too I guess

Anyway, this is the portion of thread above that matters the most:

gurphh So please don't go too far with this. I will leave if you do.

abcrebel

I figured the increase in streams is a result of an increase in standalone Quest 2 users with the natural tendency/simplicity to stream, while the original PC/VR downloaders are still hanging in there. There's hardly any rise because new people are not spending on PC rigs like when the Rift first released.

According to VRCompare, Quest 2 launched in Oct '20. The previous streaming rise may have been the result of prior Quest headsets released mid '19. Afterwards on release, especially during the Christmas holiday, Quest 2 sales/streaming rises dramatically, steady into the new year, and steep again during the same holiday season in '21.

With Cambria not requiring a Facebook account, that will cause another spike in streaming which may include me if I can stream 4-5k with no buffering issues. If the same happens to many others who transition from PC/VR to standalone headsets, downloads could peak and begin a slow decline.

Rakly3

LordCrash more subscribers ;-)
Streaming are also actual views/viewtime.
Most people whom download, download way more than actually watch.

LordCrash

Rakly3 Most people whom download, download way more than actually watch.

How do you know?

doublevr

LordCrash some 10 years ago i would download dozens of movies in a session without watching much. Downloading is shit

Rakly3

LordCrash I manage user accounts. I see how much is downloaded and watched 😉

LordCrash

doublevr Ok, dude. Love your facts based explanation.

RockyMtHigh

doublevr but the quality is better than streaming 🤷‍♂️

rerun119

doublevr Why is downloading shit? My internet connection only lets me stream at 2160p but I can download and watch at the highest you can make. I don't understand why you seem to hate it so much.

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