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  • VR Porn is perceived as sexual simulation

Also, here is a popular post on reddit
Which gives a good view on more recent sentiment.

Especially this part :

" First of all, it was 500+ videos and every.single.one.of.them is as generic as can be, with the samey-looking bimbos  
  doing their terrible, terrible "ACTING" and the fake moaning and dirty talking in the same three god-damn positions!
 
 My gods the moaning and the dirty talk. It's like they have a written rule where in EVERY video there must be fake                                                     
 moaning and "dirty talk". I swear to you, every video in their catalog was like this:
"Oh yes, give it to me. You're soooo big".

"Ah, ugh, yes".
Proceeds to mimic some random facial expressions with the mouth open.
It looks fake, it sounds fake, it's a massive turn off.

"Proceeds to mimic some random facial expressions with the mouth open"
He is talking about POV. And that's what most POV is and what it's limited to.

petermc Agree with everything, especially with the people that don't stick around, as I was one of them.

I am all for immersing myself in a videogame that tracks my body, has physics and everything else going for building the immersion, that's why I got VR.

But that's not what VR as a technology is limited to, especially videos ,180 3D videos are an amazing medium, even for SFW.
It's like watching a flatscreen video, but you are fully in it as if you were having a vision/dream/remote view.
There's no need to imagine having a body in it, it's completely redundant, and if you put a body with no tracking that just stands or lays there, like POV porn does, for some it ruins the experience as they can clearly see, that is not my body.

With videogames it works because as you move, the body moves , the environment responds, and so it generates the immersion. With videos you have to actively pretend, and seeing a body that isn't yours, seeing another person not reacting to you, goes against your efforts.

Virtual Reality is just a name, and it is pigeonholing the technology, unnecessarily so.
Apple started showing the cracks when they called it "Spacial Computing" instead.

    eyelust Solo videos are great as they are, nothing to say there, both flatscreen and VR 180.

      pkloverx yes bro! More non pov, more moving vr cams, I'd also ask for more male interaction too with voice for pov sex.

      Pov is the stable of vrp, it will always be there and it's in a great space right now, all studios are killing it with pov!

      But it's time for more non pov!! I wanna see our favorite vr hotties get smashed!

      Stand me in the porn, stand me in the class room, stand me in the locker room, stand me at a window looking in watching a couple fuck, more nonpov! Freak off Orgie parties!, walking through a house everywhere fucking, in every room!

      Will be fun! MORE NON POV!

          Vrsumo2017 Yep, it boils down to that, let the studios have more freedom with recording the videos, bring in the big stars, OnlyFans accounts, big studios in flatscreen.
          All they have to do, is add a VR camera next to the regular camera they already use to shoot.

          Unfortunately in this small pond, every mention of NonPov is seen as a threat to people who like POV only, as for them the most important part is to simulate sexual intercourse and not break immersion with different angles.

          The thing is, it isn't a threat to them, quite the opposite, by lowering the barrier to entry, more studios and more videos will come, and as the pond grows, there will also be more POV videos too.

          As of today, VR PORN is basically a fetish.
          And I think, it can be more than a fetish

              SchnuppiLilac In the past 3 years I have only seen PornoDanVR trying and sticking with it.
              So that's what makes me think there is a barrier to entry, considering that there is ONLY PornoDanVR who do both VR and flatscreen in parallel, even if with a very old camera and no consideration for quality at all.

              A month or two ago, NEWPORNSTARLETS also started doing it, this time with a higher quality camera and a level of care towards it.
              On their first upload, the usual POV flamewar happened in the comments, and the producer made it clear that he will continue recording NonPov because he likes it more and also to not get in the way of him filming his main flatscreen brand.

              Another one is also JackAndJill, they have been recording them in parallel.

              I can only think of these 3 studios who bothered experimenting filming in parallel and stuck with it.
              2, now 3 flatscreen studios is a drop in the ocean when you look at the bigger flatscreen scene, so that's what makes me think there's a barrier, and the more start doing it the more cracks will show and new studios will join VR, breaking it.

              But as long as VR is perceived as a simulation device, studios will not be interested going the extra mile to make perfect POV scenes sacrificing their existing and profitable flatscreen brand, to cater to a smaller niche market.
              That's the barrier.

                Much has been made of the supposed "War on NonPOV" in this thread but its totally taken out of context. The vast majority of complaints are about mixing POV and nonPOV in aggressively unexpected ways. Its not a general bitch about the existence of nonPOV VR by itself. The hubbub is for when your "simulation" is abruptly interrupted with old man ass all in your face. Its the same kind of complaints that TeenFidelity gets with Ryan Madison always sticking his balls and butthole prominently in front of the camera--and that isn't VR nor POV.

                There's plenty of studios out there that regularly produce nonPOV VR and some that use nonPOV intros. If there is some vast flood of complaints about those scenes, I ain't seeing it--but I don't spend a lot of time digging through 2 year old reddit posts.

                I am a firm believer in expanding markets to cater to all tastes--I would have zero problem if some new studio came on here exclusively releasing nonPOV. But the general tone here that major studios are mistaken in focusing on POV VR...that they are some how going to die out if they continue with POV VR...that the revolt of this "silent" big crowd screaming "more nonPOV, bro" in virtually every other thread is somehow going to have a discernible impact on their bottomline is, to be nice, not very well supported with evidence.

                  fuccaneer But the general tone here that major studios are mistaken in focusing on POV VR...that they are some how going to die out if they continue with POV VR...that the revolt of this "silent" big crowd screaming "more nonPOV, bro"

                  That's not what the silent crowd is saying.
                  The silent crowd just thinks that all there is to VR porn, is POV, because that's what they are most likely to see when first trying it since it's the majority of content produced to date.

                  And so you get comments like this :
                  "I’ve watched VR porn before and all I can think is “That’s not my dick. This is weird"-

                  Also, I never said that if the big studios continue to solely produce POV VR, they are going to die out?
                  By doing that, they will survive as there are people who are into simulating sex.
                  However as the biggest studios/sites , they shape the image that outsiders and newcomers have of VR Porn.
                  And right now the image is that of a sexual simulation.
                  Sexual simulation is niche in the bigger porn scene, so a lot of people, the "silent crowd" , gets turned away and simply keeps watching their usual flatscreen scenes.

                  And since they are turned away, you don't see direct complaints here, you see them in the "outskirts" , where people talk about their experiences with VR porn, I shared some of their comments and a link to a reddit post.

                    fuccaneer "The vast majority of complaints are about mixing POV and nonPOV in aggressively unexpected ways."
                    Yeah I've seen that in the recent MixedPOV productions by SLR.
                    I can imagine that if I was simulating sexual intercourse with the girl, it would indeed be quite bothering to have a change of angles as that would ruin your efforts of simulating.

                    I was also pointing out that there's quite some toxicity and flamewars when new studios come and upload NonPov, a most recent example is "NEWPORNSTARLETS"
                    https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/hot-blonde-fucked-by-photographer-at-audition-48980

                        Never understood that wish to see nonpov VR. Like why would you want to jerk off to seeing a guy fuck a girl when you could be the one doing the fucking. Like those JackandJill videos do literally nothing for me, too bad cause they have hot women sometimes.

                        But I respect that everybody is different and has different things that get them excited. I do believe though that only a small minority of users is into that.

                        pkloverx thanks for pointing out this studio and their non-POV content.
                        I've not seen it appear in the "New" content area, and I check this daily for all new posts 🙂

                          I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy I noticed and the misuse of words to promote their 'Cuckolding fetish' or 'Voyeur fetish' under the guise of 'Non-POV.' Then @pkloverx tried to define 'Mixed POV' as POV + Non-POV, which is clearly wrong.

                          Mixed POV simply means two different POVs, it could be Female POV + Male POV, Cuck POV + Male POV, Director POV, Cameraman POV, etc. Cuckolding has existed for a long time in flat porn by adding a third party person who stays passive, and what the OP referred to as 'Non-POV' is still POV, just shifted from the male who’s involved in sex to the male who’s watching. So many flat scenes like this GIF are out there, and John Strong simply shot the POV of the dude watching.

                          Also, let’s not forget the hypocrisy of @petermc, who constantly promotes his 'Anal fetish' under the banner of 'hardcore,' claiming that any scene without anal isn't 'hardcore enough.' That’s completely wrong. A scene can be purely vaginal and still very hardcore without needing anal, slapping, spitting, or whatever other fetishes you consider 'more hardcore'.

                          So both of you, stop misusing terms to mislead people. Man up, be straightforward and say what you want without any cover-up. Nobody is fetish-shaming anyone in a porn forum.

                            kurtis316 I have never once, in all of my years on this earth, stated that a scene cannot be hardcore if it does not contain anal sex so get your facts straight before putting words in my mouth. Strictly speaking any scene featuring explicit penetrative sex is hardcore pornography.

                            I often talk about vanilla/GFE vs harder scenes. Harder does not mean anal. It can mean any number of things. A blowjob only scene can go pretty hard. There are some very extreme performers out there that don’t perform in anal scenes.

                            Most people would class porn sites like Brazzers as vanilla and they regularly have anal sex scenes.

                            My issue that SLR shoot the same stuff every time (except for that crazy Rebel Rhyder scene that came out of nowhere). It doesn’t matter if they cast an extreme performer or an anal performer or a girl known for crazy deepthroat blowjobs, they just shoot the same vanilla scene every time and it’s gotten worse over time.

                              VR Cucking - best of both world

                              Some POV elements, some voyuer elements.

                              Why would I care how VR porn is perceived? Sex, whether virtual or simulated or real is personal and stays in my own home/room. I don't care how society at large views VR porn nor is it their business. The vid of some weirdo dudes thrusting in public with VR headsets on looks ridiculous and funny and holds no bearing and should hold no bearing on the subject of what sort of content a VR porn website should host or create. You could have just put a suggestion in the forums for "Hey guys I prefer non POV VR content" instead of setting up such a bad argument.

                                svanir "Why would I care how VR porn is perceived?"
                                Because that drives away potential new viewers of it, who are only presented with one option.

                                This reminds me of 360 videos, when VR videos first started the majority were 360 because of the simulation ideal, it HAD TO BE 360 "Because that's all VR is about"...

                                Anyways don't wanna get lost in that, you might not care, but the way outsiders perceive VR porn is keeping a lot of them away from it... And so it affects you with having less videos and options, that's all.

                                To give you an idea, there's currently over 7 million active VR users, and the Top video of the month on SLR has 51k views...
                                I do not believe one second that out of 7 million only 51k watch porn...
                                Considering around half of the population watches porn...
                                Lets say out of 7mil VR users, 2mil watched porn this week.
                                Out of 2mil, let's say 200k watched VR porn...

                                The other 1.8mil, watched regular porn.

                                My crazy assumption is that those 1.8mil, who watched regular porn... Well, they just want to watch porn. They don't want to pretend to have virtual sex , they just want to watch... And I'm not saying , if you watch POV porn you have to do that, I'm saying that's how it is perceived.
                                Those 1.8mil weekly VR owner porn watchers, know that VR Porn is a thing, but they aren't interested... Why, it's open for guesses, and this is my guess.

                                    If lots of people wanted non-POV porn, the market would react to that. Views and likes are an easy metric and they suggest non-POV is a small niche. Sort the videos on SLR by all time popularity and look at where the non-POV scenes land. I have nothing against it, but to suggest that there's this huge silent crowd of people who align with your personal tastes is a stretch. There are many niches. I hate doggy, some demand it, some hate big / small boobs or tattoos or silicone etc and I think there's a temptation to think everyone else is crazy when their tastes don't align with your own. I'm certainly guilty of that.

                                    Hopefully VR keeps growing and more diversity of genres, models and ideas can develop but I do believe the future is headed towards virtual sex in whatever form that takes - not just virtual voyeurism. Yet that will no doubt be a significant genre.

                                      vrpicasso Numbers are important of course, but zoom out and see that there's millions of people who watch porn weekly but don't do so on VR... There's no vr porn video with one million views, the top video of all time from 3 yrs ago has 200k views.
                                      The top video of this month from 3 weeks ago has 51k views.

                                      So I'm mainly talking about that... A lot of people decide to watch porn on the flatscreen instead of VR, that's anyone guess of why, and mine is because they think all there is to VR porn is just POV, since it's what they are presented with the first time they might try to see it...
                                      But I'll stop here cos I would just be repeating what I said in the thread.

                                      7 years ago people thought 360 vr videos were the way to go because vr is all about reality simulation,and the majority of videos were 360...
                                      The way you think of markets only makes sense in a bigger scale, where there is a lot of competition.
                                      In such a small scale like VR Porn, where the top video of the month has 51k views, you kinda have to zoom out and see how many new viewers are coming, if the market is stagnating or growing. Main objective for all is more people coming to VR Porn, and the potential comers are presented with whatever is currently popular in our small pond.
                                      If the pond is stagnating, the most popular is responsible and trying something new has the chance of bringing in freshenss.