Passthrough videos are getting technically worse

Vrsumo2017

harigeharry no male fucking back, the male actor should not move at all.

Big kindly disagree bro! Male actors need to fuck bro, because while he hip trust I go along with it, especially with the torso or fleshlight, and in pt I usually just keep the dick so a dick just there kinda gets boring after a while, they gotta fuck bro it's human nature, now they could do the set the male doll route for your preference, i think it's taboo one of the taboo channels but they use a strap on and i never know if its a real human or what but it works petty good, plus the dildo is a realistic looking one. 🤷‍♂️

but I get you bro that's your preference, but me personally I like the dude to fuck bro, fuck like there's no tomorrow! Spank it, spread it, squeeze em, fingerbang it, do it all bro, I suggested bringing out the hands, cut a opening for just his hands out, I'd do full arms, bro they be like virtual hands floating. And he don't have to have his arms in frame all the time but every now smak an ass, spread sum cheeks. Finger a booty in close up 69 view.

I mentioned this before, free the hands! 🙌

harigeharry

But you do realize that if you add a bunch of different (male) positions, then the viewer would need to mimic them all? At least if he wants a natural looking experience (=geometrically correct model). I don't think a lot of people want to continually check out what position the male model is in and then mimic them all. I think most dont want to make a study out of watching a PT scene, nor do they want to do gymnastics and get themselves in the whole kamasutra of positions. They just want to enjoy a scene.

And fucking back, I just dont see how that works in PT. Unless you like seeing a dick floating around, you'd need to EXACTLY mimic that with your own dick. You'd need to have the exact thrust speed as the male model, so you continually have to watch that dick and then try to mimic it, or the dick is just not where your dick is. And even then, it's not going to be perfect. I tried a few times but gave up quickly. It just doesn't work.

It's a lot of focus attention that at least for me already completely breaks the experience. To me PT is about tricking your brain into believing that the model is really there in front of you and YOU are having sex with her. If you add all that kind of stuff, it's just so much harder to realize that. And in fact, if I actively need to focus on trying to mimic a movement in order to get to that experience, that effort alone already breaks the whole immersion. You shouldn't even have to think during PT. That's why I'm saying, in PT, simpler = better.

If you want to watch a whole strip show in front of you, that's not a problem at all of course, as long as the male actor has a normal seated position, it's all fine. It's not about the female position, it's only about the male position.

The stuff you want works just much better in regular VR than in PT. And of course I do understand that you want all that kind of stuff, but it just doesn't work well in PT.

Vrsumo2017

harigeharry actor has a normal seated position

I suggested to VR Twerk that they adjust the camera to eye level for there pt vids, either for seated or standing positions. Right now, the camera is often too low, so it only looks right if I'm squatting. I recommended they set up a chair, place someone in it, and adjust the camera to eye level. This way, the user could stay seated or move out the way, with the chair acting as a guide for where not to dance, allowing for lap twerking interactions more naturally.

I suggested this to the pt live cam room too but they said "pay me" 🤷‍♂️

So since I never paid and they never took my advice about the pt cam, they just layed on my floor awkwardly most the time, I think they stopped it and went back to regular room now.

But yeah bro, standing, couch or chair seated and laying, three cam position. 👍

Vrsumo2017

harigeharry The stuff you want works just much better in regular VR than in PT

Fosho bro, and I use the many many AI pt as well so I see a lot of male fucking back in pt. Works fine for me bro, I'm not a I need it as real as can be kinda of a guy. But I understand your preference, hell most time when a cg starts it starts off slow and the guy hardly moves, but once the juice get going it Ramps up, so maybe giving a Lil of both will work for both are preference. Either or bro works for me.👍🥂

rerun119

Vrsumo2017 Just some advice. I can write long messages on here too but when they are as long as you write. I don't think people read them.
Maybe try to cut it down to a few lines IF you want people to see your points. I read most but just skip yours because they are so long. But you do you.

Vrsumo2017

rerun119 wow, thanks bro

rerun119

Vrsumo2017 I hope what I wrote didn't come off as me being an asshole. When I said "I can write long messages too" I meant that sometimes I do do that.
I like what you write and your passion for the hotties. I just was saying it so you know that some people might not read all your comments that I'm sure take a long time to write.
I like your comments so just ignore me if you want to.

Vrsumo2017

rerun119 I like your comments

Which is it bro, you like my comments or just skip my comments, lol

But yeah bro, haf the ideas start to flow and if I don't get them out I could forget them.

the worst ideas are the ones not told.

It's all good bro 👍

How you doing? Life treating you good bro?

harigeharry

Ok so that latest PT video that everybody likes so much (including me) was done by Alex Nash, not sure how I missed that.

Either way, @Manny_S when will the first scene with the new chair be released? Really hoping this will indeed have a big impact! I do strongly believe that getting those basics right will do wonders. Thanks!

harigeharry

Ok @Manny_S regarding your latest video (lenna ross), the very first position of the male actor is standing. As you can see here in this small poll: https://forum.sexlikereal.com/d/8556-how-do-you-view-vr-porn , nobody of the viewers is standing when they put on the headset. So this just results in the model being off, most likely her sinking into the floor. It's going to be much better if you have the male model either sitting in a chair, or lying on a bed. Keep in mind though that there will be much more conformity between chair heights than bed heights, so in my opinion a scene should always start with the male positioned in a chair, just like in that latest Alex Nash video, he did that correctly. Also it's just easier to have the model walk around the male in a chair than the mail in a bed

Also that chair position you use is ok-ish (though the male actor is leaning really very much behind, so that's not comfortable at all for us viewers, would be much better if the actor wouldnt need to bend backwards so much) but then the problem is that the female actor climbs onto this block. This just results in her floating in the air. The chances that we viewers have an object of that size and shape in front of us is minimal. So most of the times this just results in her floating in the air, which again kills immersion.

Again, all this can be improved if you just think: how are our viewers positioned when they watch and if you assume that there are no objects in front of them. So dont let the actress climb onto something, because we viewers most likely wont have such object in that exact position.

It's quite simple actually but this WILL really improve the video's! Keep it up! You guys came a long way and I'm sure you can even get much better, I believe in you!

RealTime

It might just be me but I find getting a good angle with PT missionary to be a big challenge. I'm usually planking over a fleshlight and trying to line things up. Quest 3

NovaShadow

RealTime taking some time to configure the hotkeys for specific image adjustment options was a game changer for me personally. Makes adjusting a scene easy and instantaneous without having to open the image settings

Picouser

The newest passthrough video was disappointment: https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/meet-mitzi-x-49966

I become so frustrated because so much wasted potential. Where was the intimacy? Teasing part was ok, but it could have been so much better. Where is the kissing, let the girl be even closer. Girl can just sit close and talk/touch etc, no need to perform something all the time.

Patience is the key and build the sexy feeling. It is ok if girl does not speak english, she can speak her own language (flirting way of course). Look at the JAV videos for reference. It is actually better if she does not speak and repeat the normal english porn bullshit: "Oh your dick is so big, I am so horny etc"

Please stop foot fetish, there is minority who likes it and it is out of normal filming time.

You don't have to agree anything I said previously. This could have been ok video but then you ruin it. Is it too low bitstream, too hight compression or what, but you could see stripes of same colour when streaming this video. This effect ruins smooth skin colour 🙁 How could this video be immersive if you could see "skin stripes" all over girls body? Please have the checklist to avoid these mistakes. Why to even bother filming if you sabotage your end result like this?

I have become fan of VRLatina, they have nice models and know hot to do this. I prefer watching them with AI Alpha than these videos with potentially better Alpha packing. So sad... how long we have to wait to get even 9/10 passthrough videos? We go on step further and get two steps backwards.

alphaRonaldo

Picouser SLRO appears to be lacking a lot in quality control. Just when we thought these compression and focus issues were resolved, they're back again.
Unless it's an older scene shot with these issues and released now, it doesn't make sense.
And if it's an older scene, why not mention it in the video description so that we are more understanding of the reasoning.
We know the effort that goes into each and every scene. But with this end result after having seen it solved earlier, it is disappointing to say the least.

harigeharry

Yeah what happened to that latest video? It completely lacks details again, just when all that seemed solved !?!

rerun119

I think the biggest problem with all VR porn is that the people making it don't watch VR porn ever.
I'm guessing if you are on a porn set all day for a job then the last thing you want to do is go home and watch porn.
Somehow they need an experienced VR porn watcher to have one on one communication with them. I'm sure they could find people on here that would talk to them on the phone to tell them what it looks like to us the viewer.

Not forum texted comments but a real 30 minutes talk about what us the viewer like and dislike and why. Why something is so important through the headset.
I truly don't think they watch any of it.

fuccaneer

rerun119 biggest problem with all VR porn

I don't disagree but I think its just a symptom of a larger problem: the reasons content producers enter VR porn is rarely about making a great product as defined by the viewers.
Porn (in general) has a built-in filter that limits both the number and type of technical creators that enter the market. VR has a huge barrier-to-entry in equipment costs and technical requirements.

So you end up with a very small pool that is saturated with producers whose motivations rarely line up with viewers.

get-rich-quick types with a focus on short-term profit so have little motivation to invest in quality
people who get into porn primarily for the sex. IE: get paid to fuck pornstars or to be near pornstars to increase chances of sex.
narcissist types who think they know better and will always ignore critical feedback
eager amateurs who just don't have the resources to invest in quality
then there are the nerds who would rather invest in something "cool" or "groundbreaking" than burn resources on improving basic quality.

None of this is to say that there aren't outliers. VR porn is still viewed as kind of the unexploited wild country where people can dig out a fortune. That does attract the more entrepreneurial types who may recognize that investing in quality upfront will likely result in greater future earnings and sustainability/stable growth. Of course, many of those entrepreneurs suffer from one or more of the above listed faults.

NewSubscruber

rerun119 I think the biggest problem with all VR porn is that the people making it don't watch VR porn ever.

Bingo. Or at least most of them.

There are probably serious technical obstacles to this, but I'm surprised shoots don't have an actual VR headset monitoring the camera feed. When you shoot any kind of regular video, you've got monitors on set wired up to the cameras and you check white balance, focus, framing, color, etc. The same should apply here, but I doubt there are any VR cameras that can actually be rigged that way. Maybe they can, who knows. It would at least easily explain any "damn X or Y director/studio never screws up like this, what happened?"

What is more unacceptable is when the same studios consistently have the same exact issues with their videos, for weeks or months on end. How long was LustReality/VRSexperts's white balance off before they fixed it (tbf at least they fixed it)? How do they consistently manage to have the director yapping in the released scene? Sometimes less than 10 seconds into it...just yell "places" and start over dude, wtf.

As for content not present here, how many years has it been that VirtualTaboo's had their head in the sand about:

The wrong lens profile correction being applied to their footage (or none)
Incorrect stitching
Bad scale on top of it

I am assuming the same crew shoots some of TmwVRnet's content, it has the same exact issues 😂

Part of me is thankful that it's normal for JAV to credit the director. I always know who to avoid, and who releases well-framed, properly positioned, immersive videos. It seems like the best we've got for American and European porn (other than when SLR credits the production team for their Originals 👍️ thank you) is silently noticing the same sets - and likely the same crew - doing jobs for multiple studios:

Set - Content Here - Content Elsewhere

That beige-ish room with the cathedral ceiling and the skylights. Round ottoman in the middle. Bed in a nook with a lower ceiling off to the side. SinsVR, RealJamVR - 18VR/BaDoinkVR
That "office" with the grey walls, faux brick wall, and black leather couch - SinsVR, RJVR - 18VR/BDVR/VRCosplayX
the room with the floor to ceiling windows and that white couch you always think she's going to fall off of - SinsVR, SexBabesVR - I've only seen it in an 18VR scene other than that
lol the yellow LethalHardcoreVR house - LHVR, RJVR, PornCorn, probably more
"the DeepInSex set" (sometimes with white sheets on that L-shaped couch) - seen it in a few RealJam videos recently

If I were a betting man I'd bet 1-3 were always shot by the same crew 😏 I'm just not sure who's actually shooting it.

rerun119

AsianSexVR started making videos 2 months ago. He started out with the camera too close but after just a month he had it lined up perfectly.
He fixed so many things so quickly by what I assume is watching back what he shot.
If you haven't watched any of his scenes you should because they are pretty good.
P.S. I don't watch them in PT but I am guessing they line up really good

doorsareopen

I tried looking for a thread specific to this question but couldn't find one but I have noticed quite a few vids lately and previously where in AI PT there is like a ghosting image layered on top of the actual scenes where you can see the silhouettes of the performers from like a different point in the scene overlapping what is supposed to be shown making it unwatchable in AI PT and I can't imagine I'm the only one experiencing it, so is there any way to fix that or is it a defect with the individual scenes itself from the studios?

Vrsumo2017

Was watching sum original alpha, bro I still think ai pt will not be as sharp on the edges as alpha production. I hope it will but I don't see it.

Either way. I enjoy em both. 👍

Oh and just to report back feedback, I saw a comment describing ai pt like a cut out magazine paper. When you cut around people body to use for a project. 🤦‍♂️

If someone sees it like that, it needs sum tweaking to make it better.

To pt 🥂

Oh and get you one of them open meta facial guards, I love this bro! It's great for pt and non pt.

It's like you standing in your room, but there's a open portal on one half on your environment. And your full body in view.

It's crazy good, and the level of freely walking around with it on is great!

Bro, I was watching this walking video, and I could walk easily to it because it's open and I can see my floor and my sides. And o have pt off.
I don't even need pt on unless I'm using slr pt 😏

But it's great, if you not anal about your "immersion" check it out.

And my headset feel lighter.

Get out the darkness 📣
https://www.meta.com/help/quest/articles/getting-started/getting-started-with-quest-3/open-facial-interface-quest-3/

And I've noticed sweat drys up fast on this fabric that came with it. You can add your own if you have vrcover or amvr face cushions. But it comes with two, one thin one thicker. I prefer the thicker. And they manage to get the facegaurd cushion on there perfectly. It's a perfect fit.

But check it, 35$ buy it use for a day or two, if not for you, return it. 👍

But you have to see this!

rerun119

fuccaneer narcissist types who think they know better and will always ignore critical feedback

I think a form of this is needed to be the stunt cock. I would never have the confidence to get in front of other people on film to do it.
It looks like a lot of the directors are former stunt cocks.
I really feel like female directors would make a better VR porn because they look for different things in sex. The things that translate to VR

fuccaneer

fuccaneer Of course, many of those entrepreneurs suffer from one or more of the above listed faults.

I forgot one:

Guys trying to "power-up" the monetization of their big dicks. Probably not universal, but I would imagine that there's more than a bit of "I've got a big dick and that's all I need. Give me your money."

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