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Rakly3 Glad to help and yeah I know how one thing can effect the other thing all to well as a tech lead of a dev team myself 🙂. The main reason I mentioned the bottom range maxing out is that it will effectively mean a larger average stroke range. In other words if you cannot max out the bottom You'll have to increase the range to get a similar sensation which might be difficult when the range is already large (I'm sure you are aware of this though).

As for the test movie: I get that you can't just use any script for training but you wouldn't train an AI model to generate Anime images without Anime in the training set either right? In other words scripters like Realcumber set a benchmark for what users want and come to expect. Now I think Realcumber is a level of quality we won't see in AI scripts for quite a long time but a script AI needs to at least understood some of the basics that make these scripts good and I think the stroke range (and thus overall intensity) is one of these essential things. Maybe Realcumber would be OK to provide a few parts of his scripts for a semi automated test that has a very varied amount of positions and intensities? This way you wouldn't even train your AI directly on the script, you would just have a tool to automate some of your quality control for the fundamentals of your script AI. This would also allow you to plot your progress for various versions on different key factors such as intensity for a varied amount of positions and intensities. I think this will take a lot of the guesswork out of the process. Just a thought though.

      fenderwq Hi, thank you for detailed feedback. I checked problems at timestamps you listed. It was helpfull. I prepared version of "Back in Your Arms" with better tuned larger range. Large range "Back in Your Arms"

      We actually have automatic testing of our ai-scripting through comparing ai with Realcumber, we measure metrics of quality (like f-score, precission, recall, L2) as usual in Machine Learning projects The problem is umbiguity of video: there are several possible movements for single video interval, especially when penis is not visible. And detailed movements like at 06:04 you mentioned is hard problem due to lack of data of such kind.

          fenderwq It is pleasure getting feedback from technical guy) We actually train our models on manually created scripts.
          Keep in touch.

              siarhei Thanks, will check out the script.

              Seems you already have a nice automated test setup. However in this case I was referring more to the averages of a segment. If you have a movie with various segments of a somewhat consistent action / context (like a certain position and intensity) you can compare aggregated metrics for these parts of the movie. Things like: total strokes, average stroke range, average stroke position and stroke variability. I noticed big overall differences in these metrics between AI scripts and human made scripts and the difference varies greatly by position and intensity (that's why I pointed out the suggestion).

              Now, I've already pointed out some of the specifics (like the overall intensity of mostly fast parts, some of the "perspective" issues and the bottom range issue) but another important one is the stroke variability during fast parts. I first noticed this when trying out the script for long night. It felt all over the place in the fast parts and when you analyze the script it becomes pretty obvious why. I haven't compared this in detail (as in strokes per minute etc.) but it wouldn't surprise me if it is this high variability and not the actual speed that made these parts uncomfortable. I just can't imagine that such an irregular pattern could feel good at high speeds.

              AI generated fast part (long night)

              For comparison: a fast part of a manual script (screwing out of school)

              Anyways, I think it's these kind of things an automated test like I described (in combination with comparing the heatmaps) could catch early on and will allow you to better measure progress on between iterations. But I will shut up about it now 🙂

              Good luck with the project!I

                  Rakly3

                  Rakly3 I do want to mention that we can not use the scripts hand made by scripters just like that, to train the AI. I don't think it's ethical and may be legally questionable.

                  I figured that is how you were teaching the AI with human scripts. Isn't that how AI learning works?
                  If you don't use human scripts as a teacher then how does the AI learn?

                        fenderwq The graft of the AI script is exactly how it feels. It's not smooth, it's big stroke, little stroke, big stroke, little stroke. It doesn't feel natural.

                            siarhei I've checked out the new script for a bit (mostly the faster parts) and it is definitely an improvement. Having said that a lot of my feedback from my previous post still remains in various degrees (the one with the timestamps).

                            Some additional notes:

                            • 23:46 - The script is better here but I think still quite a lot more limited compared to a manual scripts (it should be clear purple in the heatmap here). The movement is also way to high up (like in "blowjob position") and since she is on top of him slamming into him it should be at the bottom (is this due to the limiter not knowing the position? Btw, I was thinking it might be a cool idea to have a refiner AI that does a second pass to determine things like if the script should be limited to the bottom or top and maybe smooth out the motion on fast parts intelligently / based on the scene).
                            • 24:25 - Still too little movement but definitely better
                            • 38:31 - Some of the obstructed parts still have very little or no movement

                            Movement in the fast parts is also pretty erratic, for instance:

                                rerun119 Yeah, the fast parts definitely are, I think the slow/medium parts are often good though.

                                  fenderwq How are they training the AI if they don't use human scripts? Isn't that how AI learning works?

                                    Aaaand a new update has arrived! Here are new scripted scenes:

                                    We appreciate all the feedback you guys are giving, it helps a lot with the development. Hopefully, you can see the improvement.

                                    Also @Rakly3, care to share your thoughts on the scripts?

                                      Kieshi For objectivity reasons, not at this time.

                                        @Rakly3 just curious if the previously released scripts will be updated with the new AI programming as it improves? Will it only be at a later time? Or will the new programming be added to these scenes continously as new iterations of the AI come out? There are some great scenes that have the AI scripting and I would love to see the improvements added to them as the machine learning gets better.

                                          Qwertyqwerty1234 They will eventually be updated, but I don't make this decision. Nor am I currently aware of a timeframe. I myself don't find out which scenes have been AI scripted until after it's done.

                                            Kieshi Nice work, these scripts are definitely improving. I watched VirtualRealPorn House from start to finish and overall the intensity seems much better. The biggest remaining issue is the irregularity in faster parts. This seems to have improved but still needs work (it can be pretty annoying now). There is also still some problem parts that the AI struggles with mostly due to obstruction or not detecting movement from things like jiggling.

                                            Some notes:
                                            13:18 & 14:03: irregular fast movement which should be smooth (didn't make a note of the intensity)
                                            for example 14:03

                                            18:21 & 19:30 & 28:24 & 30:37: irregular fast movement which should be smooth, the intensity seems pretty good though
                                            for example 28:24

                                            22:24: blowjob while holding the base. Position of movement is at the bottom but should be at top, later it corrects itself
                                            33:45: One of the examples of jiggling not getting detected

                                            39.12: This part felt all over the place

                                              I mentioned this another thread, but it is worth repeating: How about a button to filter out AI scripts? You gave us a toggle to see only AI scripts and filter out human ones, but I'm pretty sure that a majority would like to be able to filter out the AI scripts and only see human ones. A few (angry) commenters have said so explicitly.

                                                Will65 I doubt they are going to give us that option. We have to manually click on every scene to see. I'm guessing they want to keep it that way so people play them without knowing to get that extra money. Otherwise they wouldn't charge the same amount for AI as a human script.

                                                    Qwertyqwerty1234 I'm guessing after they have a couple of months worth of AI scripts that they will never upgrade them after that.

                                                    Here is why. Some quick math.
                                                    Double said that they can make an AI script in around 20 minutes a scene. So that really means it probably takes a little longer than that but either way we will say 20 minutes. They also said they are going to script all SLR scenes.
                                                    So that means 3 scripts an hour. 24 hours a day x 3 = 72 scripts a day.
                                                    There are roughly 20,000 scenes / by 72 a day = 278 days complete plus all the added scenes in that 278 days.

                                                    So maybe after a year or so they can start over with reloading the scenes with better scripts.

                                                    After I did the math I am glad that they ignored my request after asking for request. The longer the wait the better. All the really good scripted scenes are going to be the ones that nobody requested.