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Will65 That is a useful and valid comment.

(I do want to stop for a moment and laugh at the fact that this is literally exactly what has happened to McDonald's in real life.)

There's a balance to strike with respect to being great at something and needing to innovate. In tech and in entertainment, if you're not moving forward, you're dead. I know for a fact the concerns represented in your metaphorical comment card are not falling on deaf ears. Everyone in the organization cares deeply about this.

But this isn't a scenario where you follow a recipe and get the same thing back every time. Even if we wanted to do that, it's not possible.

You're dealing with real human beings (I know you know this but I'm laying out the rhetorical position so bear with me) engaging in the most intimate of acts, in front of a camera and crew, knowing they need to get it right whether they feel like it or not because they have to pay rent, and that rent money comes from your (and thousands of others') pockets.

So yeah, they're getting paid. They're pros. They show up and get to work. But they and the crew and the post team and the casting director and the sound guy and the makeup artist and the locations person and the corporate leadership are all humans and are doing their best. They got into this in the first place because they care. That hasn't gone away. But with money and more voices paying money it gets complicated and much, much harder with higher stakes and more ways to fuck up but they all still show up every day, caring, trying to do it better somehow and sometimes failing but caring and trying.

Anyway, I'm just trying to be real with you and not do the whole bullshit corporate-speak thing.

Every dollar you spend here is a vote of confidence that you think we can get it right, and we'll work hard to do that for you. But remember, please, there are many, many other voices we have to listen to as well. It's fuckin' hard and the world kinda sucks right now and the world's governments and financial systems are fully trying to destroy porn and everyone's fighting a battle we can't see so maybe we could all be a little kind to each other and see if that works.

That's it. That's all I got.

I sincerely, truly hope you have a great night/day/whatever it is wherever you are.

    Will65 you cant get the burger that you like anymore

    What's the burger you like that you can't get anymore? I'm genuinely asking. As I said above...let me see what I can do.

    Edit: ALSO, you know your shit. You have tremendous institutional memory of what's been done before, what worked, what didn't, etc, etc. You should be a thought leader around here. Your voice should carry the weight of a thousand users. But most people don't want to rally around negativity, at least not for very long. (Not at all trying to get political, but to draw a circle around my point, even Trump got boring after a while. People who planted huge MAGA flags in their yards have moved on.)

    If you were to rally the troops to shine a light on how things could be rather than mourning how things used to be, I honestly believe you'd be a big part of Making SLR Great Again.

    If Leia Organa taught us anything, it's that hope and gold bikinis are timeless.

    As always, just an opinion. Use what's helpful, discard the rest.

    I'm rambling now. Off to bed with me.

      justsomedude101 As I mentioned to Mutiny, you should look at the thread where @doublevr askes people why they think certain scenes didn't do well. Commenters in that thread replied:

      "I don't care about tattoos but I'll happily never see giant fake balloon tits ever again."

      "I understand that many women in porn have full-body tats and extensive surgeries. These women are for a very niche audience."

      "I don't like big fake tits."

      "I think the cast was no good 🤷‍♂️
      Fake tits and ugly tattoos."

      "Too much plastic."

      "- not into the fake bimbo look so i didnt even watch it"

      "Too "grotesque" for my taste. Sorry."

      "Tatted up, piercings, absurd fake tits, ugly ear hoops, excess jewelry, etc. instant skip. Look at your top models on the site and almost none of them have any of this."

      "Wow, way too much plastic, make-up, pumped lips for my tastes right off the bat."

      Each of these comments makes the same point I did, and most of them are far more direct and abrasive. I'm willing to bet none of them were banned. Moreover, I don't think they should be banned. Either accept feedback, or don't. Banning feedback that annoys you - epecially on an arbitrary and somewhat personal basis - is lame.

        I will say this. Calling a woman ugly (which is what “yuck” implies) should have no place on here. Talk of mutilation, ruining themselves etc etc should have no place on here. It’s a woman’s choice what she wants to do with her body not ours. Also, this is porn, if you’re not expecting to see plastic surgery, and fake boobs in particular, I don’t know what to tell you. It’s always been a huge part of porn and that’s because lots of men like women to have tits and ass, whether they’re fake tits or not.

        All of that being said, it’s strange if they have just arbitrarily singled you out and banned you from commenting with no warning especially when others have said similar things. Perhaps delete the post and warn the person about future conduct before taking further action like bans.

        Seriously though, VR porn in recent years is pretty much all natural young girls. You don’t have much to complain about on that front. You don’t see many scenes featuring big fake boobs.

        Two tips for commenting:

        1. Unless it is 100% positive, write it out in notepad and let it digest for at least a day before deciding to post it.

        2. If what you are writing is something you would never say directly to the person/people in question if you met them face-to-face in real life, then don't post it.

        Mutiny Though the reality here is thousands of people like it, and a handful don't. It's just that the handful are really fuckin' loud about it.

        I assume this is about plastic surgery on tits. If so then I don't think this is a true statement. My guess is that more people would like a natural woman over surgically enhanced woman. Some people are really fuckin' loud about not liking it so the directors understand their side of dislike.

        I really don't know what the percentages are for and against it. We should make a poll to get a better idea.

            Will65 "The quality of your Bic Mac has fallen off since you started selling Mc Eggrolls, Mc Sushi, Mc Blubber Nuggets, Bubble tea, Mc BBQ, Mc Spaghetti, Mc Pizza, Mc VeganBurgers, McFajitas, and McDoughnuts. Now you have 100 middling products and the 3 good ones I loved you for are poorly made or out of stock

            Go look at the last 50 SLR originals and tell me how many of them are the "plastic" women you don't care for and how many feature girls with natural bodies.
            Your argument simply isn't true, you're being hyperbolic. 90%+ of the "menu" is still natural girls. You're probably going to just have to deal with the 10% of the content that doesn't specifically suit you that other people may like. If your expectations are that 100% of the scenes will be exactly what you like, and nothing will ever be created for anyone else, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment. It will never be that way.

              rerun119 I wasn't specifically referring to plastic surgery there, just theorizing that for anything someone has a preference for, there are thousands of others who share that preference but aren't the type to comment on porn forums/comment sections. And for the thousands of people who quietly share that preference (I'm drawing from "likes" and watch time for this assumption, btw), there are a handful that loudly dislike it. I'm sure there are lots of others for whom the particular preference isn't their thing, but they don't feel the need to speak up.

              Anyway, that's my perception, generally, for all sorts of preferences/kinks/fetishes/etc. Eager to see the results of your poll, though.

                Hunky-Dory I just replied above that that's not what I meant exactly. Feel free to check that post out for clarity.

                And hey, no worries. My stuff isn't for everyone. 🤘

                (I agree, Nash is incredible!)

                  Will65 I wrote a post on the Cj Miles video about disliking the amount of plastic performers recently

                  It's pretty funny that this thread is still going while you still refuses to accept that you used derogatory language in the very fist sentence in this thread. Zero self-reflection on your side, bro...

                  It's also actually kind of telling that instead of just owning up on your own mistake you point the finger on others.

                  I mean, we all make mistakes. Just admit it and go on. You said that I made mistakes as well and you're right. And yes, I was banned from posting as well in the past. Some of my posts were deleted as well. That can happen when you are emotional about the stuff you like or dislike, often despite better knowledge. But it's one thing to make a mistake and owning up to it and accept the consequences and a totally different thing to play the victim, pointing with the finger on others and act like you didn't even do anything wrong in the first place. Sometimes even a tiny bit of self-reflections is all it needs.

                  And come on, being banned from posting for one week isn't actually a hard punishment. It's basically a soft slap on the finger. 😉

                      rerun119 Some people are really fuckin' loud about not liking it so the directors understand their side of dislike.

                      This is the part I'm having a hard time getting my head around. I understand the primal human desire to be heard. Totally.

                      But watches and likes are votes for more of that kind of content. Comments are a great way to be more specific with that feedback. That's the most useful way to hear from thousands of people.

                      Nielsen doesn't ask people to describe what TV shows they're not watching and why. That's not data, it's just noise. Instead they spend a lot of money finding out what people watch, then compile that data to discover trends and report those trends to networks. Someone sending Nielsen a letter to say they don't like something is one single data point in a sea of millions. Even if thousands of people send similar letters, that's not how they compile data because it's wildly unscientific and arbitrary.

                      A comment that someone doesn't enjoy, I dunno, BBWs for example, doesn't negate the hundreds or thousands that watched/liked a BBW video. I'm not saying people should be prohibited from doing it or anything. Yeah, for sure, speak your truth. As a member of the community I prefer that people be cool about it. You know, be kind and shit. But that's just me asking nicely. I'm not here to censor anyone.

                      It's just...taking a negative position against content many others are seemingly happy consuming...I just don't see the benefit. It just feels futile, like misspent energy, IMHO.

                          LordCrash Body modifications are a choice that affect appearance, which is what the models are selling. I could say that we have way too many blondes, and that I hate blondes. That is also a comment on appearance, and could be taken as "derogatory". I could comment that we have way too many MILFs, and that I don't appreciate older women. That is a comment on appearance and personal factors, too. It could be taken as "derogatory". It shouldn't be, though, because I am commenting on classes or categories of performers who profit on those aspects of themselves. When you makes your body and appearance your product, criticism of that product is much more in-bounds than it is for other people.

                          Your post was more egregious than mine, since you singled the actress herself out for criticism, saying that she could be hot, if not for her ugly tats, and that she was giving the finger to mother nature. Your post was HIGHLY personal, while mine was not. Had you said, "I'm tired of all the tatted up models. Yuck." I'd be on your side, siince you were criticizing the preponderance of a certain type of model in casting decisions. Instead, you took the model to task, personally and specifically, for her choices.

                          i've been over this point exhaustively because it is important. If all criticism of model appearance is prohibited, we have no way of explaining to the company why we dislike a particular type of model. It's more than a bit ridiculous, especially in light of the horrible - and directly personal - comments I see users make here every day.

                              Mutiny I can see the position that youre trying to take, but your boss asking people directly to explain why they don't like certain scenes, and recieving exactly the type of feedback that I was banned for really undermines your point. It's clear that the company DOES want to know what we don't like, but apparently it is only permissible in response to a direct question. Otherwise, the mods would have to delete/ban half of the bosses own thread and replies. Instead, they will crusade in comments when they come across a user they already don't like.

                              Policy is only effective when the whole organization, top to bottom, practices with the same degree of integrity. Otherwise, it just looks like petty exercises of power to serve personal preferences.

                              And we haven't even gotten to the hypocisy of banning someone for a 5 word not-personally-directed comment about casting directions while the boss has a well-deserved reputation for viciously and hyper-personally insulting paying customers he does not agree with.

                              What was that bit about attending the beam in you own eye first?

                              (Matthew 7:3-5)

                                  Hunky-Dory trying to analayse users comments and out study them up to a certain point

                                  I'm honestly not quite sure what you mean by this. Can you clarify a bit, or share an example of what you mean?

                                  I do try to be thoughtful with my responses, consider what's being said, and share my perspective. I often get it wrong...I'm human and sometimes I fuck up. I'm always willing to take a step back and correct myself when I've fucked up. I don't always see it, but I'm open to being shown.

                                  We're all here because we like VR porn and want it to grow and improve. We have different pitches as to how to get there, and I'm down to discuss strategy, preferences, and shared interests with anyone who wants to engage.

                                  Hunky-Dory what you don't want to hear

                                  I do want to point out that, so far, I haven't released anything that wasn't a PMV edit (and I get all sorts of feedback on those that I'm happy to receive, both compliments and critiques). So when it comes to conversations about all the other content, none of the feedback is directed at me, so I have no dog in the fight. Just trying to be part of a conversation about what we like and want to see more of.

                                  That said, sometimes people are jerks and I'm not down with that. As a member of the community I reserve the right to nope out of a conversation if there's not at least a baseline of mutual respect happening.

                                  But again, I'm just sharing what's in my heart. No one is obligated to agree. I'm asking that they be chill and open about it, but I'm not y'all's dad. Everyone gets to make their own choices.

                                      Will65 i've been over this point exhaustively because it is important. If all criticism of model appearance is prohibited, we have no way of explaining to the company why we dislike a particular type of model. It's more than a bit ridiculous, especially in light of the horrible - and directly personal - comments I see users make here every day.

                                      You're missing the point. It's not about what you don't like, its about what you and others do like.
                                      If you like a studio, but not the model, you can suggest they also film with a model you do like. There is no need to say nasty and hurtful things about a person to try and get a video you want made.

                                          rerun119 I think what he’s saying is that, for example, this CJ Miles scene has 1.4K likes and then one guy in the comments complaining about plastic surgery. They’re going to put more stock in the thousands who liked it than the one guy who didn’t. That’s not to say I don’t go in the comments complaining, of course I do, but it’s usually about technical things or directorial choices, it’s very rarely, if ever, personally attacking anyone. They may just ignore my complaints too but many sites do still see VR as being in an experimental phase and actively say that they want feedback from the VR community to improve the product. I know the guy from VRHush has said to me that he appreciates my forceful feedback good and bad as it’s market research that they can’t buy from anywhere else.

                                          As for the surgery thing, would most of us prefer natural girls in an ideal world? Yes. However we all have different body type preferences and sometimes nature doesn’t give a girl that body type that we like. I like loads of different girls but don’t want to watch all flat chested thin teen looking girls all the time. Sometimes I want to see a Kiara Cole or Dakota Tyler, other times I want to see some tits and ass and, if the only way to get that is for those tits to be surgically enhanced, I’m ok with that. There’s not a ton of Angela White’s in porn with huge natural boobs, most need some help to get there. Also some women who did have great natural boobs when they were 19 years old find that gravity or having kids takes it’s toll so they get surgery to get those boobs back.

                                          As I said before, the vast, vast majority of girls that VR studios pick to shoot are all natural girls. Having the odd CJ Miles or Kitana Montana popping up once every blue moon shouldn’t be the end of the world.

                                              Will65 No, that's totally fair. You make a great point.

                                              I'm not really speaking on behalf of the company so much as speaking as a member of a community who also is making content for the community. And as such, I'm definitely not saying constructive feedback/critique/etc. are invalid.

                                              Regarding that feedback thread, I do think there's a difference between

                                              "Does this dress make me look fat?" "Yes."

                                              and

                                              "Hello. That dress makes you look fat."

                                              Solicited vs unsolicited feedback hits different. Anyone is perfectly free to use the second approach. I'm just trying to have a dialog about how maybe we can achieve common goals another way.

                                              (PS - I feel like you and I have come a long way towards understanding each other in this thread and I'm grateful for that. My initial response was an attempt at what I thought was solicited feedback. I hope that's clearer now.)

                                                Hunky-Dory listen to what people actually want rather than interpreting what they want from data.

                                                My goal is to attempt both, but sometimes the two conflict. It's complicated.

                                                But I take your point. I should listen more. I'll work on that.

                                                    Will65 I could say that we have way too many blondes, and that I hate blondes. That is also a comment on appearance, and could be taken as "derogatory".

                                                    No, it couldn't. Don't act like language was completely arbitrary since it isn't.

                                                    The whole rest of your post is pointless since you obviously don't understand that it's not about what you say but how you say it. Nobody says that you're not allowed to criticize things but you should watch your language because offensive language can actually hurt people. For example, don't call people names and don't put them in derogatory categories. You can voice your feedback with the very same meaning without using derogatory language. It's as simple as that and I think deep within you know that as well.

                                                    It's also pointless to continue with pointing the finger on me since I already admitted my mistake and took respective action. And by the way, I would probably tell Demi in a one-on-one conversation in real life that I didn't like her tats and that imho they're pretty ugly if she asked me for feedback on it (of course only hypothetical). That's imho honest feedback although I admit that it could also hurt her (it's one of my personal issues that I'm often way too direct without thinking through what the other person could feel but I'm working on it). That's why I deleted my post after thinking it over. I wonder though whether you'd call CJ "plastic model" in a personal conversation...

                                                    Anyway, since there's still zero self-reflection on your side, it's pretty pointless to continue this conversation. Obviously you have zero intention to improve your behaviour or even accept that there was something wrong with it in the first place.

                                                        Hunky-Dory over analising user responses and using tbat as data feedback rather reading the room

                                                        I truly don't see the distinction between "over analysing user responses" and "listening/reading the room". The two seem synonymous to me.

                                                        As an example, for my PMVs, I get comments that they're too aggressive and use too many effects/cuts, and I get comments that they need to be more aggressive with more cuts. They're literally taking opposite positions at the same time. I listen to all of them, eagerly, but the only way to resolve that conflict is to look at the data and see which style more people enjoy. I can't make everyone happy, but I can try to make more people happy.

                                                        That's really the best I can do.