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LordCrash And how is this helpful? Do you think she enjoyed reading that? Does that meet Mutiny's standard of commenting on "production approach, style, or technical flaw"? You made a personal comments about an individual model's appearance. Don't try walking it back now.

    Will65 Still not the same as name calling, dude. And moral outrage? LOL. You have no idea what that actually is. 🤣
    But you're right, it wasn't the nicest comment I've ever made. I never claimed that it was helpful to anybody though. It was just a statement of disappointment. And I wouldn't even notice if it was deleted... 😛

    Edit: On 2nd thought, you are actually really right and this comment has no reason to be there. I deleted it myself.

      Mutiny This is silly. The forums and comments have been repeatedly sold to us as a place where we give feedback about what we like and what we don't like, with the intent that the decision makers will read it and give us more of what we like and less of what we don't. To say that if we don't like something we shouldn't say so because someone else might doesn't work with that model. If, instead, the foums and comments are to be used to express praise when you like something and keep your mouth shut when you don't - that's not a source of customer feedback, that's a circle jerk. I fail to see why they'd even be useful, except to stroke someone's ego.

        Will65 I honestly thought he was making a joke. I don't see how one can seriously separate "plastic" from "her body" in this context. I was attempting to "yes, and..." the joke.

        If he was serious, I have no idea how to respond to that distinction.

        Will65 Bottom line, I very sincerely care if you like something. I want you to get what you like.

        I absolutely do not care if you don’t like something, as long as someone else does like it.

        That's my position.

          LordCrash My comment was also a statement of diappointment at the recent direction in casting choices. I don't care that it was deleted. I do care that I can't comment at all, and that someone is trying to tie it to the oh so raude nature of my 5 word comment when others are far worse.

          Mutiny I do see both sides. But I do think @Will65 makes a point in that if the comment was "The high heel parade continues. Yuck." It wouldn't have been deleted.

          How can you make a comment on not liking fake boobs in the comment section of a video that has a girl in it was fake boobs without it not looking like you are directly talking about that person? This is porn so talking about model choices is going to be one of the major topics.

          I do think it could have been worded better to not have as much of a punch to it. But people are from different cultures and english could be a second language. Something in one country might be very offensive but not in other. America and the West is leading the way on PC policing and some people are tired of it.

          Will65 maybe next time say you like more natural looking women. Although we still all know what you mean and it doesn't get your point across as much as the other.

            Mutiny That's fine. SLR clearly solicits feedback from customers all the time and asks for opinions on casting, features, new products, etc. If you want feedback, fine. But don't continually solicit feedback and then get your nose out of joint when you get some that's negative.

            rerun119
            "Plastic model" is offensive in any language and culture. It's meant to be offensive and derogatory, sorry. You can't be offensive on purpose and then complain that moderation does its job...

            rerun119 How can you make a comment on not liking fake boobs in the comment section of a video that has a girl in it was fake boobs without it not looking like you are directly talking about that person?

            Pretty easy. Say "I'm not much into augmented boobs myself and I'd prefer if you shoot with more all natural girls in the future again." There's zero offensiveness to such a statement and it's perfectly clear what you want to say.

              LordCrash I'll agree with you but

              Will65 "Without the ridiculously ugly tats Demi would probably be one of the hottest women on planet earth. Well, that's how to show mother nature the finger,

              "ridiculously ugly tats" is also offensive in any language and culture.

              My point is that once a human becomes the PC police then their personal feeling are going to be picking and choosing on as uneven level.

                Mutiny some people wake up every day and seek happiness, others wake up and seek despair. Not much I can do for those people.

                sorry but not everyone is living in fairy land where people smile and compliment everyone and everything so as to not damage someone elses fragile mental state. the people you think are seeking despair are seeking perfection and the other group either dont care enough or are curled up in a corner with their eyes closed and hands over their ears muttering "dont hurt me".

                  rerun119 "ridiculously ugly tats" is also offensive in any language and culture.

                  That's why I deleted it now. Shouldn't have been there from the beginning actually, my bad. Like I said, it was made in a state of disappointment but I should have voiced it better and less offensive.

                  spacepirate2 "Seeking happiness" was probably the wrong phrase. What I mean is bettter phrased as "seeking contentment" -- as opposed to seeking the kind of dopamine hit one gets from standing on someone else's head and declaring oneself tall.

                  (Also, on a personal note, please don't seek perfection. That way lies guaranteed disappointment. Seek improvement. That can actually be acheived.)

                    Speaking broadly, what some people describe as

                    rerun119 the PC police

                    I think often might just be "if you're an asshole you can fuck right off."

                    No one is obligated to tolerate shittiness. (I fully recognize that shittiness is in the eye of the beholder.)

                      Mutiny nobody here is trying to stand on someone elses head for a dopemine hit. all anyone is doing is voicing opinions on what they do and dont like. some are doing it more tactfully than others of course. if the more abrasive characters are a problem for you then id suggest that is at least partly a "you" problem.

                      and no.. seeking perfection is a good thing. without people like that driving progress our species would still be cavemen killing each other with sticks over the smallest disagreements. aiming high, falling short, and learning from the mistakes is how we make progress... not being content.

                        spacepirate2 some are doing it more tactfully than others of course. if the more abrasive characters are a problem for you then id suggest that is at least partly a "you" problem.

                        Nope. If you act like an asshole you shouldn't be surprised if people call you an asshole and treat you like an asshole. Comes with the attitude and it's very likely well deserved. If you want to be offensive and insulting and cocky, just own it and live with the consequences. Or make a step back and reflect on your behaviour and maybe just admit that you were offensive and simply try to behave better next time, being less offensive towards other people.

                        And yes, I can be an asshole myself, I know the drill... 🤣

                          spacepirate2 all anyone is doing is voicing opinions on what they do and dont like

                          Yep. That's what I'm doing. Though there's a way to not be a jerk about it.

                          (At which, I admit, I'm not perfect because perfection is impossible and therefore foolish to attempt.)

                          LordCrash my point there is that some people are too sensitive. i dont disagree with what you are saying about acting like an asshole though. its a two way thing.. but people like to just point the finger at the asshole.

                          Mutiny The problem with all of this is that you are needlessly personalizing it. Like it or not, porn is a business. Comments suggesting I should just appreciate the performance of the model and be grateful for it are misguided. If the model did a video and presented it to me as a gift, I would be remiss to criticize. But that isn't what's happenning here: I am paying for a service. The model - her appearance, her talent, her presentation, her voice, her attitude - are THE PRODUCT. She is SELLING those items to me (or at least to SLR) for a fee. As such, I get to criticize the product, sorry. If I contract with you to paint my house and you do a shitty job, I get to say so, and if your feelings are hurt because I didn't appriciate your artistry, so be it. The product wasn't up to my standards, and I get to say so. I can see how you make the mistake: It is offensive to criticize a woman's body. But that changes when the woman commodifies herself by marketing all or part of herself for money. "I get paid a lot of money because I am beautiful and take a cock like a champ" and "Commenting negatively on my physical appearance or choice of surgical alterations to my appearance is inappropriate" are incompatible with each other - something about having your cake and eating it too.

                          Mutiny "Don't yuck other people's yum" is a cliche at this point.

                          This trope is inapplicable. I didn't criticize someone else for liking plastic models, I said that I didn't appreciate the number of plastic models we are seeing. Reading it your way suggests we should never say anything negative for fear that someone else may like it. I don't see how you can reasonably defend that stance, but I think you're actually trying to take it.

                          Mutiny Bottom line, I very sincerely care if you like something. I want you to get what you like.

                          I absolutely do not care if you don’t like something, as long as someone else does like it.

                          That's my position.

                          Porn is a business. If this is your position, then you are a bad businessperson. You are saying that if you make 100 of something, you only care if 1 person likes it? And that you really wouldn't care about the complaints of the other 99 people that didn't like your product? You could read all the 99 comments that say, "If you'd just put a handle on the side, we'd buy these like crazy" and not make the change because you only care about the one person that likes it?

                          Not to be mean, but that's the diffrence between an artist who makes PMVs on the side and a person like @doublevr who runs a business for profit. He constantly points to data, trends, and stats as "proof" of what the majority of users on his site like to guide his decisions and direction. Suppressing or ignoring criticism defeats all of that.

                            LordCrash I have no problem with anyone calling me an asshole. I have a problem with not being able to comment at all. If people want to take me to task in the replies for what I say, so be it. They have that right. Silencing people who bother you crosses the line, though.