Can we please get non-greenscreen versions?

spacepirate

impossible to have a reasonable discussion here while you continue to ignore most of what ive said. for some reason you keep inventing things i never said too, like this

Jacksonjdr94 suggestions that my favorite SLR original content should be relegated to a separate site/subscription, or that it should only be released as some kind of additional gratuity

Jacksonjdr94

spacepirate let's just be perfectly clear here.

If there are 4 SLR originals released per week, and we call that 16 per month.
Hypothetically, how many of those 16 do you think is an acceptable number to be passthrough scenes in a month?

My understanding is that you are saying that if that number of monthly scenes remains at 16 then none of them should be passthrough scenes, because that would somehow be taking something away from you.

It also seems as if you are saying you're ok with passthrough videos being released as long as they are only ever additional to the 16 non-passthrough videos per month.

If I've misunderstood, please clarify

BML5768

I like getting the 2 weekly Original scenes we are used to getting. I like the new content too. I'm glad SLR upped their release schedule to 4 per week and we can have both. Everyone is happy now.

LordCrash

justsomedude101 Guys please...it's almost the weekend and I can't be glued to this thread the whole time waiting for when it inevitably turn nasty/personal. If you want to keep the conversation going, please be sure to keep it civil.

I don't know but maybe it would help if moderation just deleted posts that are only meant to insult other people and show zero interest in conversation in the first place so that a needless fight doesn't even start....

It's perfectly fine to be sad or angry about people who advocate against selling pizza at a burger joint. People always disagree about stuff and some people like stuff that others don't like. That's how our world works. But if you start your posts with insults you maybe shouldn't say anything at all.

BML5768

LordCrash It's perfectly fine to be sad or angry about people who advocate against selling pizza at a burger joint.

That's a logical fallacy called a false dichotomy, and I think is the major misconception people are having with the new additional content.

SLR has been a site that offers variety since day 1, its not like a burger joint, or a pizza joint, its like a food court at a mall.
Sure, 90%+ of their business has been burgers in the past since that was most of the demand. But there is demand for pizza now too. Their plan, as they have stated, is to still offer the same amount of burgers to anyone who wants them AND also offer pizza to customers too. Its a dumb analogy, but that's the one you picked. You're still getting your 2 burgers a week, and the rest of us can have some pizza if we want, maybe some good Chinese or Mexican food too.

LordCrash

BML5768
One is VR, the other is MR/VR. That's not only different genres of porn, it's a completely different form of porn, pretty much like the difference between VR and 2D porn. Sexlikereal was a VR-only site in the past and only ever marketed itself as a VR site in the past. The AR/MR stuff is completely new and was never part of the original menu. That doesn't mean that they couldn't do whatever they want but it means that some people who loved the "old" menu are not that pleased about the new course of action. That's especially true for the lifetime subscribers who paid good money with the promise in mind that they just get more of the stuff that were sold to them at the moment they subscribed.

So the burger/pizza comparison very much applies here and it's actually not that hard to understand, even if you don't agree with the ones who are upset about this and even if you actually love the new content.

So yes, some people are obviously happy that the burger joint now also sells pizza. Some other people are not. That's how things always are. There is almost always positive and negative feedback. It's up to SLR to decide what to do with all the feedback they get but negative feedback is as valid as positive feedback and it's often a lot more valuable.

Your "you don't get less content" statemtn is a logical fallacy for the simple reason that the additional scenes could have been VR scenes instead of AR/MR scenes. The costs of the subscription goes up but the stuff I'd like to see and I've subscribed for doesn't. The additional money is spend on other stuff. It's called costs of opportuniy in business.

Just cope with the reality that you can't always please everyone and that some people don't like the stuff you like. They don't want that SLR use their sparse resources on things that you like but they don't. There's nothing wrong with that actually. It happens all the times, in every business and pretty much every other elements of our lifes.

BML5768

LordCrash subscribers who paid good money with the promise in mind that they just get more of the stuff that were sold to them at the moment they subscribed.

You're still getting the amount of new weekly videos you subscribed for. At least 2 new VR videos every single week.

LordCrash Your "you don't get less content" statemtn is a logical fallacy for the simple reason that the additional scenes could have been VR scenes instead of AR/MR scenes.

That's not what a logical fallacy is. But yes, the burger people are not going to get 4 burgers a week while the pizza fans get nothing. There is a big demand for the new stuff, so that's selfish and absurd. There is room for both.

LordCrash The costs of the subscription goes up but the stuff I'd like to see and I've subscribed for doesn't.

SLR subscription prices stay at where you subscribe at. So that's just false. I've been a sub for 3+ years and its still the $15/month deal I was offered (Thanks SLR, that's a great deal). I'm pretty sure they aren't raising costs on people who have paid for a lifetime sub years ago either.
Also, if you go look at all of the SLR scenes released in the last calendar month, I bet you'll find that 80% of them are regular genre VR scenes. So the amount of regular VR content is actually going up despite your claim. They have added 2 new videos a week to their schedule since Feb 2022 and most of them have been normal genre VR videos. If you signed up more than a year ago you paid for 2 videos a week and now you're getting 3 (on average) regular scenes, and 1 (on average) MR or non-traditional genre VR scene. That is 50% more, not less.

LordCrash Just cope with the reality that you can't always please everyone and that some people don't like the stuff you like.

This logic also applies to the people who don't like the new content.

LordCrash

BML5768 You're still getting the amount of new weekly videos you subscribed for. At least 2 new VR videos every single week.

You obviously don't understand opportunity costs. Look it up.

BML5768 That's not what a logical fallacy is. But yes, the burger people are not going to get 4 burgers a week while the pizza fans get nothing. There is a big demand for the new stuff, so that's selfish and absurd.

Advocating for the stuff you like isn't absurd. It's absurd not to do it. It's up to SLR to decide what they want to do and whose tastes and expectations they want to satisfy. It's not my job to be nice to everyone, I pay money here in order to get as much back as I can. That's how capitalism works (and sorry, but we still live in capitalism).

BML5768 SLR subscription prices stay at where you subscribe at. So that's just false. I've been a sub for 3+ years and its still the $15/month deal I was offered (Thanks SLR, that's a great deal). I'm pretty sure they aren't raising costs on people who have paid for a lifetime sub years ago either.

It only stays the same if you stay subscribed without interruptions. And even then it's still one of the most costly sites in the whole world of porn right now. It's only understandable that people want to get the most out of it for themselves.
And I already told you that the lifeteime subscription is based on a promise. Break that promise and people get upset. It's simple.

BML5768 This logic also applies to the people who don't like the new content.

Sure. I don't recall that anybody said that it was absurd that you like this stuff and that you shouldn't be able to tell everybody that you like it and that you shouldn't be allowed to advocate for it and I don't recall that anybody who doesn't like passthrough here called those who like it names etc.

So maybe you misunderstood that statement above. I never said that you should just deal with everything and shouldn't be allowed to fight for the stuff you like. I said that you should deal with the fact that there are people who don't like stuff you like and that they will fight for their own tastes. There's not point in calling their POV absurd only because you don't agree with their tastes.

BML5768 There is room for both.

In reality, it means that they use resources and money on certain things and that they can't use the same resources and money on certain other things. That's exactly the concept of opportunity costs.. People aren't unhappy about getting less they are unhappy because they don't get more. And they are especially unhappy that certain very sparse resources (like editing capabilities and scripting resources) might spread thing to get all these new things covered as well. Resources aren't endless in reality, they are actually incredibly sparse. The VR porn business is a pretty niche business with only a very limited pool of resources. SLR struggles heavily to properly scale their business with noticable bottlenecks like scripting. As long as these bottlenecks aren't gone people have very good reason to be upset. And even if there are no bottlenecks at all they can still be unhappy about the direction SLR takes - and they have all right to voice their opinion without being called "crybabies" or whatever.

BML5768

LordCrash In reality, it means that they use resources and money on certain things and that they can't use the same resources and money on certain other things

That's not necessarily true. The more revenue SLR generates, the more resources they have to produce content.
That's a two way street. Its paying subscribers who are asking for the new content they want with their subscription dollars.

As far as your other point, opportunity cost, there is probably more lost opportunity in not ever diversifying. The ideal business decision would be to provide your long term customers the content they want and ALSO add content that customers are asking for. Again, its not a binary decision, there is room to make both sets of customers happy.

LordCrash People aren't unhappy about getting less they are unhappy because they don't get more

As you can go look at for yourself, and I pointed out, they are getting more. The majority of the extra videos added to the schedule are regular genre VR videos. Go look at the last months releases, like I said.

I'm not trying to be argumentative with you at all. I'm just trying to understand your logic. To me it just seems clear there is room to make everyone happy.
As a hypothetical question, if SLR upped their release schedule to daily videos, 7 a week, how many would you find acceptable to be dedicated to genres/MR that you aren't personally interested in? You seem to want 4/4 now, would that still be the same with more?

LordCrash

BML5768 As far as your other point, opportunity cost, there is more lost opportunity in not diversifying. The ideal business decision would be to provide your long term customers the content they want and ALSO add content that customers are asking for. Again, its not a binary decision, there is room to make both sets of customers happy.

You're looking at it from a differnt angle than me. I don't speak about SLR's opportunity costs, but mine. Huge difference.

BML5768 As a hypothetical question, if SLR upped their release schedule to daily videos, 7 a week, how many would you find acceptable to be dedicated to genres/MR that you aren't personally interested in? You seem to want 4/4 now, would that still be the same with more?

That's not a binary question. I'd be happy that there were more scenes but I'd also be unhappy that some of the additional scenes were scenes that I can't or don't want to watch.
You know, the world isn't only black and white and people are complex beings. It sounds weird but people are usually more unhappy about lost opportunities than not having much in the first place. If I only have X and there isn't more than X and I don't know that there could be more than X I'm completely happy with X. But if there is now x+1 and I know that there could be x+2 as well, x+1 feels a whole lot less satisfying than x ever felt although x+1 is factually more than x. That's why poor people in isolated regions don't really feel poor. People feel poor when they look at rich people, even though they migtt have a lot less than the objectively poor people in isolated places. That's how our brains work, we always compare stuff. IF SLR is clever - and it seems that they finally grasp human psychology - they separate stuff in different channels and might even offer different subscription models. If you don't have to look at the things and deal with the things that could have been but aren't it's a whole lot easier not to think about them and being happier in general.

BML5768

LordCrash I'd be happy that there were more scenes but I'd also be unhappy that some of the additional scenes were scenes that I can't or don't want to watch.

I get that. I feel the same way. As a paying customer I get that when there are just a few videos coming out, they might not all be personally suited for me. It just feels bad than when more content is finally being made, that a bunch of us like and have been asking for, people are so negative and hostile against it.

I think you're right too. Keep the 2-3 weekly normal videos on a set schedule under the normal channel and add the new ones under something else. That will hopefully keep the more selfish side of human nature you described under control.

LordCrash

BML5768 It just feels bad than when more content is finally being made, that a bunch of us like and have been asking for, people are so negative and hostile against it.

That's why it would have been a lot better if something like passthrough that is actually a completely different form of "headset porn" (VR vs AR/MR) had been separated into a different channel or even a different site from the very start. Those interested in it could have checked it out there and everybody else probably wouldn't even have taken big notice in the first place. Separate sub could have been an option but not necessarily.

Just to name a little but powerful detail: Why is there a JAV filter but no passthrough filter? I can easily navigate on SLR without all that censored JAV stuff and most of the times I don't even think about it being there at all. Passthrough scenes are cluttered into the regular SLRO releases though and you literally can't avoid them right now. So you are forced to deal with them, to think about them - and to think about the lost opportunity by just checking out the upcoming scenes or the latest SLRO releases.

Or take the burger joint example: It would have been better if they just opened a pizza restaurant next door. 😉

Jacksonjdr94

LordCrash It's actually hilarious that you're unironically complaining because you aren't getting 100% of SLR original scenes catered to suit your personal dislike of passthrough.

Passthrough and non-passthrough both belong on this site, and are popular on this site.

If you subscribed with the assumption that 100% of the future SLR Original content was always going to be exactly what you want it to be, and that it would remain as such forever. You were mistaken.

No reasonable person would have made this assumption.
Again. Hilarious.

rerun119

@BML5768 @Jacksonjdr94 Here is the point of frustration that maybe you guys weren't members when it all started.

I became a member when SLR started making the greatest VR scenes out of every other studio. Then I bought a lifetime membership. I was very happy at first with everything. SLR made epic scenes in 2021 and the early months of 2022.

Then they got the 8K camera and immediately the scenes became unwatchable to me. The epic scenes were done completely. All of a sudden the women were giant with scaling problems. At that point I had nothing coming in from SLR that was watchable. This kept going on and on for months. They made tons of scenes without even knowing that looked horrible. Even if you say you don't care that the girls look bigger its still not what it was the year before.

So at that point it was frustrating that SLR made so many 8K videos that we had to just wait for months to get through them all. All I could do was keep my fingers crossed that it was finally going to end and we would go back to the epic scenes that came out, at this point 6 months earlier.

My prayers were answered when they finally ran out of 8K. So now it's time for the good scenes again. But instead of saying sorry about that we will make it up to you with amazing scenes like before they went and added a bunch of other teams around europe that couldn't shot scenes. The second the 8K ended they start putting euro scenes up that are subpar. So now we are still not back to epic scenes almost every time. I'm sure you can say not every scene is for me and I get that. But in 2021 almost all of them were good quality with great lighting and stories and scaling.

From my point of view instead of trying to fix the 8K debacle with making great again they just start adding subpar teams to push out more videos.

I'm going to talk for everybody that is mad and say we feel like SLR doesn't understand what we liked in the first place. When 8K was going on we never said give me more shitty video than I get now. We never said I'll take lower quality if you just make a JAV team or euro team or start spending your time with green videos.

We are just frustrated that SLR use to make amazing videos every week. Now they make JAV, euro, green and all still not the same quality in ANY of them as 2021.

If you are new and love green then good for you. It's not about you. It's about SLR as a whole not prioritizing quality anymore.

justsomedude101

rerun119 This is all constructive feedback, so thanks for taking the time. There have been quite a few extensive internal discussions around SLRO quality recently, particularly in the past week+. Some of it was discussed in this thread if you didn't see it, and it's something that is an absolute focus for all of us going forward. We're working on it and will continue to work on it.

And this giant wall of text below not really directed at you, more just a general bit of info to make sure no one thinks SLR is finding random people off the street to shoot new VR content 😅

4 out of the 6 current production teams have been shooting with us since 2021 or earlier. We've so far only added the 2 new teams "recently" (including the JAV team) that have actually shot and released content.

Alex Nash obviously leads one of those production teams. GFE: HazelTreat, the Ripped Tights series, Pleasure Trip, and plenty of others in 2021, along with many more since.

VRFanService also obviously leads one of those teams. Busted!, All Grown Up, Latex Dreams Come True, and a huge number of other great scenes in 2021 (and through today's release) were by his team.

In FL we have Simsense Media. In 2021 his team had "Make Plays, Not Grades", "Working Up a Sweat", and "Welcome Party with a Bang" among many others since then. He also shoots the Passthrough scenes for us currently, along with standard scenes (such as the upcoming Emma Bug and Lily Starfire releases).

"Tom" in the EU has shot most of our Euro content, though my understanding is that the most recent Euro scenes were collaborations shot by a production team we hadn't used before for SLR content. We also had someone in place to manage the overall production of EU SLR Originals who is no longer in that position. I don't really feel comfortable going into any more detail on either of those topics, but sufficed to say we are also not satisfied with the quality and reception of some of the recent EU scenes. On the other hand, Tom shot basically all the Euro scenes that many folks love: "Si, Mi Amor", all of Agatha Vega's scenes, etc.

The new active production team we've added in the US is led by Alex Mack, who has so far released "My Stepbrother's Girlfriend" and "Cooking is not a forte for a Sex Goddess". If anyone isn't familiar with Alex, look him up. Been a performer himself for quite a while as well as directed a lot of great content.

And I can't really share details on the JAV production team only because they are something of a mystery to me tbh, "SLR Japan" is something I'm not super involved with.

Jacksonjdr94

rerun119 I'm not discounting your complaints with the non-passthrough scenes.

But if the quality of non-passthrough videos in your opinion has somehow suffered over time, or not meet your expectations, a fair solution would be to ask SLR make better non-passthrough scenes based on your feedback.

I think it's fair to offer constructive criticism with hopes of an improved product.

The feedback i took issue with however wasnt at all related to requests to increase the quality of non-passthrough. Or constructive at all.

It was those who were suggesting ceasing the production/release of SLR original passthrough scenes, in order to make way and let 100% of the current monthly quota of SLR original releases become non-passthrough.

Essentially saying "please don't waste any time/money/talent making scenes that I don't personally like even though other people love them. Just cater to my tastes only"

rerun119

justsomedude101 I will add that after I wrote this I watched the most recent SLR scene by @vrfanservice. That is an amazing scene, one of the greatest SLR has ever made. If you get back to NOT check box porn and make a believable story than I will be a happy camper again.

Mutiny

rerun119 Agreed. @vrfanservice KILLED it with that one. Scenario, performances, camera placement, direction, all of it. 10/10.

LordCrash

rerun119 Imho @vrfanservice can be the very best in the industry, even better than Nash. It's a bit of a gamble though since the quality varies a lot. Non-warehouse scenes are almost aways a whole lot better than the warehouse scenes.

Melody's GOAT scene was also shot by VRfanservice. If any of his scenes were that good SLR would be on a completely different level. The latest scene was a step in right direction, very well executed.

spacepirate

rerun119 for me definitely one of vrfanservice's better scenes but it has the same recurring problem of poor camera placement in the standing position with the camera being too low (so the chest is cut off and it looks like your eyes are nipple level) and also being too far in front the male actor's body.

LordCrash Imho @vrfanservice can be the very best in the industry, even better than Nash. It's a bit of a gamble though since the quality varies a lot. Non-warehouse scenes are almost aways a whole lot better than the warehouse scenes.

i much prefer nash scenes overall but totally agree that vrfanservice has the potential to be comparable. the two biggest areas of improvement needed in my opinion:

better sets with more natural light... nash has this perfected
camera placement that doesnt feel so unnatural

bobbytables

Jacksonjdr94 people aren't saying "cater to my tastes only", people are saying "cater to the literal thing you advertised I was paying for". The reduction of SLR originals quality is a direct result of lowered QC on videos and split focus on productions rather than the entire team focusing on putting out top tier quality VR porn (not passthrough). I can easily speak for most of us that are upset when saying that we would rather be back to 2 or 3 top notch scenes a week than 5 subpar scenes a week smattered with passthrough of models that haven't even shot normal vr porn, low-budget euro stuff, and total lack of QC on the normal stuff (i.e. compare the raw taboo freya scene vs the xxlayna scene with apryl, same house and same raw taboo, much worse quality).

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