spacepirate the bottom line here is you are expecting content which you personally don't like to be pushed to the peripheral and made a low priority. Which is pretty entitled to say the least.

Calling it unwatchable is simply giving your opinion that you don't like it.

Many other people are finding these scenes
not only "watchable", but are indeed enjoying the fuck out of them. Because they're awesome.

If passthrough videos were even close to being as deeply unpopular as you seem to believe they are, SLR wouldn't be making them or planning to keep making them with any kind of regularity.

      Jacksonjdr94 the bottom line here is you are expecting content which you personally don't like to be pushed to the peripheral and made a low priority.

      no, im expecting it not to be prioritized. if slr released frequent passthrough scenes without impacting the release of other slro scenes i would not be taking issue.

      Jacksonjdr94 Which is pretty entitled to say the least.

      you know what is entitled? you trying to take the moral high ground here. if the roles were reversed and slr made some change that negatively impacted you, would you be taking the same view that you are now? absolutely not. you like passthrough, we get it. i doubt slr is going to take it away because a few people on the forum have some issues with how they are managing it.

      If passthrough videos were even close to being as deeply unpopular as you seem to believe they are, SLR wouldn't be making them or planning

      i never, not even once, claimed or implied that passthrough videos were unpopular.

            Jacksonjdr94 spacepirate Guys please...it's almost the weekend and I can't be glued to this thread the whole time waiting for when it inevitably turn nasty/personal. If you want to keep the conversation going, please be sure to keep it civil.

            We're working on the "alpha channel" masking (among other features), which should make the Passthrough scenes a more palatable to users who don't like or don't have headset that support the feature.

                  spacepirate Sorry but you are indeed asking your preferences to be prioritised.

                  I'm not trying to create beef with you, and i'm willing to offer an apology for cursing. But i remain adamant that what you're asking for is utterly ridiculous

                  Saying "The SLR scheduled releases should be exclusively the type of scenes I like. and the type of scenes I don't like should only ever be released as an additional bonus for others to enjoy" is honestly about as entitled as it gets.

                  SLR are pushing to make a variety of quality original content to suit a variety of tastes.

                  your tastes shouldn't be treated as more important than anyone else's. Just as my tastes shouldn't be treated as less important.

                  Why on earth do you even think that it's a remotely reasonable expectation that they create an additional peripheral release queue to separate scenes based on what you like/dislike?

                  If the roles were reversed?
                  This might surprise you but I don't expect that every SLR scene has to be one that I personally like.

                  I like about 5-10% of what my SLR subscription pays for, which is satisfactory to me.

                  I have specific tastes, evidently so do you but perhaps to a lesser degree.

                  The difference is you evidently want yours catered to as a priority while I just want my fair share.

                  You're suggesting that the scenes I like should be pushed to the periphery and should only ever be made as a secondary focus, while the scenes YOU like should always be the priority and primary focus.
                  And that's truly a BS suggestion.

                  If you're now willing to admit that passthrough videos are indeed popular, and that plenty of other people love them.

                  The question becomes this: Why do you think your personal negative opinions of passthrough scenes should somehow impact the release schedule when you know that a lot of other paying customers (who are equally as important as you are) do indeed want/anticipate/appreciate these passthrough scenes?

                    justsomedude101 got it. No more nasty/personal.

                    My apologies. It's not easy for me to politely express my level of disgust at user suggestions that my favorite SLR original content should be relegated to a separate site/subscription, or that it should only be released as some kind of additional gratuity so that the entirety of the monthly release schedule can be dedicated exclusively to the content they want.

                        impossible to have a reasonable discussion here while you continue to ignore most of what ive said. for some reason you keep inventing things i never said too, like this

                        Jacksonjdr94 suggestions that my favorite SLR original content should be relegated to a separate site/subscription, or that it should only be released as some kind of additional gratuity

                            I like getting the 2 weekly Original scenes we are used to getting. I like the new content too. I'm glad SLR upped their release schedule to 4 per week and we can have both. Everyone is happy now.

                            spacepirate let's just be perfectly clear here.

                            If there are 4 SLR originals released per week, and we call that 16 per month.
                            Hypothetically, how many of those 16 do you think is an acceptable number to be passthrough scenes in a month?

                            My understanding is that you are saying that if that number of monthly scenes remains at 16 then none of them should be passthrough scenes, because that would somehow be taking something away from you.

                            It also seems as if you are saying you're ok with passthrough videos being released as long as they are only ever additional to the 16 non-passthrough videos per month.

                            If I've misunderstood, please clarify

                              justsomedude101 Guys please...it's almost the weekend and I can't be glued to this thread the whole time waiting for when it inevitably turn nasty/personal. If you want to keep the conversation going, please be sure to keep it civil.

                              I don't know but maybe it would help if moderation just deleted posts that are only meant to insult other people and show zero interest in conversation in the first place so that a needless fight doesn't even start....

                              It's perfectly fine to be sad or angry about people who advocate against selling pizza at a burger joint. People always disagree about stuff and some people like stuff that others don't like. That's how our world works. But if you start your posts with insults you maybe shouldn't say anything at all.

                                  LordCrash It's perfectly fine to be sad or angry about people who advocate against selling pizza at a burger joint.

                                  That's a logical fallacy called a false dichotomy, and I think is the major misconception people are having with the new additional content.

                                  SLR has been a site that offers variety since day 1, its not like a burger joint, or a pizza joint, its like a food court at a mall.
                                  Sure, 90%+ of their business has been burgers in the past since that was most of the demand. But there is demand for pizza now too. Their plan, as they have stated, is to still offer the same amount of burgers to anyone who wants them AND also offer pizza to customers too. Its a dumb analogy, but that's the one you picked. You're still getting your 2 burgers a week, and the rest of us can have some pizza if we want, maybe some good Chinese or Mexican food too.

                                      BML5768
                                      One is VR, the other is MR/VR. That's not only different genres of porn, it's a completely different form of porn, pretty much like the difference between VR and 2D porn. Sexlikereal was a VR-only site in the past and only ever marketed itself as a VR site in the past. The AR/MR stuff is completely new and was never part of the original menu. That doesn't mean that they couldn't do whatever they want but it means that some people who loved the "old" menu are not that pleased about the new course of action. That's especially true for the lifetime subscribers who paid good money with the promise in mind that they just get more of the stuff that were sold to them at the moment they subscribed.

                                      So the burger/pizza comparison very much applies here and it's actually not that hard to understand, even if you don't agree with the ones who are upset about this and even if you actually love the new content.

                                      So yes, some people are obviously happy that the burger joint now also sells pizza. Some other people are not. That's how things always are. There is almost always positive and negative feedback. It's up to SLR to decide what to do with all the feedback they get but negative feedback is as valid as positive feedback and it's often a lot more valuable.

                                      Your "you don't get less content" statemtn is a logical fallacy for the simple reason that the additional scenes could have been VR scenes instead of AR/MR scenes. The costs of the subscription goes up but the stuff I'd like to see and I've subscribed for doesn't. The additional money is spend on other stuff. It's called costs of opportuniy in business.

                                      Just cope with the reality that you can't always please everyone and that some people don't like the stuff you like. They don't want that SLR use their sparse resources on things that you like but they don't. There's nothing wrong with that actually. It happens all the times, in every business and pretty much every other elements of our lifes.

                                          LordCrash subscribers who paid good money with the promise in mind that they just get more of the stuff that were sold to them at the moment they subscribed.

                                          You're still getting the amount of new weekly videos you subscribed for. At least 2 new VR videos every single week.

                                          LordCrash Your "you don't get less content" statemtn is a logical fallacy for the simple reason that the additional scenes could have been VR scenes instead of AR/MR scenes.

                                          That's not what a logical fallacy is. But yes, the burger people are not going to get 4 burgers a week while the pizza fans get nothing. There is a big demand for the new stuff, so that's selfish and absurd. There is room for both.

                                          LordCrash The costs of the subscription goes up but the stuff I'd like to see and I've subscribed for doesn't.

                                          SLR subscription prices stay at where you subscribe at. So that's just false. I've been a sub for 3+ years and its still the $15/month deal I was offered (Thanks SLR, that's a great deal). I'm pretty sure they aren't raising costs on people who have paid for a lifetime sub years ago either.
                                          Also, if you go look at all of the SLR scenes released in the last calendar month, I bet you'll find that 80% of them are regular genre VR scenes. So the amount of regular VR content is actually going up despite your claim. They have added 2 new videos a week to their schedule since Feb 2022 and most of them have been normal genre VR videos. If you signed up more than a year ago you paid for 2 videos a week and now you're getting 3 (on average) regular scenes, and 1 (on average) MR or non-traditional genre VR scene. That is 50% more, not less.

                                          LordCrash Just cope with the reality that you can't always please everyone and that some people don't like the stuff you like.

                                          This logic also applies to the people who don't like the new content.

                                                    BML5768 You're still getting the amount of new weekly videos you subscribed for. At least 2 new VR videos every single week.

                                                    You obviously don't understand opportunity costs. Look it up.

                                                    BML5768 That's not what a logical fallacy is. But yes, the burger people are not going to get 4 burgers a week while the pizza fans get nothing. There is a big demand for the new stuff, so that's selfish and absurd.

                                                    Advocating for the stuff you like isn't absurd. It's absurd not to do it. It's up to SLR to decide what they want to do and whose tastes and expectations they want to satisfy. It's not my job to be nice to everyone, I pay money here in order to get as much back as I can. That's how capitalism works (and sorry, but we still live in capitalism).

                                                    BML5768 SLR subscription prices stay at where you subscribe at. So that's just false. I've been a sub for 3+ years and its still the $15/month deal I was offered (Thanks SLR, that's a great deal). I'm pretty sure they aren't raising costs on people who have paid for a lifetime sub years ago either.

                                                    It only stays the same if you stay subscribed without interruptions. And even then it's still one of the most costly sites in the whole world of porn right now. It's only understandable that people want to get the most out of it for themselves.
                                                    And I already told you that the lifeteime subscription is based on a promise. Break that promise and people get upset. It's simple.

                                                    BML5768 This logic also applies to the people who don't like the new content.

                                                    Sure. I don't recall that anybody said that it was absurd that you like this stuff and that you shouldn't be able to tell everybody that you like it and that you shouldn't be allowed to advocate for it and I don't recall that anybody who doesn't like passthrough here called those who like it names etc.

                                                    So maybe you misunderstood that statement above. I never said that you should just deal with everything and shouldn't be allowed to fight for the stuff you like. I said that you should deal with the fact that there are people who don't like stuff you like and that they will fight for their own tastes. There's not point in calling their POV absurd only because you don't agree with their tastes.

                                                    BML5768 There is room for both.

                                                    In reality, it means that they use resources and money on certain things and that they can't use the same resources and money on certain other things. That's exactly the concept of opportunity costs.. People aren't unhappy about getting less they are unhappy because they don't get more. And they are especially unhappy that certain very sparse resources (like editing capabilities and scripting resources) might spread thing to get all these new things covered as well. Resources aren't endless in reality, they are actually incredibly sparse. The VR porn business is a pretty niche business with only a very limited pool of resources. SLR struggles heavily to properly scale their business with noticable bottlenecks like scripting. As long as these bottlenecks aren't gone people have very good reason to be upset. And even if there are no bottlenecks at all they can still be unhappy about the direction SLR takes - and they have all right to voice their opinion without being called "crybabies" or whatever.

                                                                LordCrash In reality, it means that they use resources and money on certain things and that they can't use the same resources and money on certain other things

                                                                1. That's not necessarily true. The more revenue SLR generates, the more resources they have to produce content.
                                                                2. That's a two way street. Its paying subscribers who are asking for the new content they want with their subscription dollars.

                                                                As far as your other point, opportunity cost, there is probably more lost opportunity in not ever diversifying. The ideal business decision would be to provide your long term customers the content they want and ALSO add content that customers are asking for. Again, its not a binary decision, there is room to make both sets of customers happy.

                                                                LordCrash People aren't unhappy about getting less they are unhappy because they don't get more

                                                                As you can go look at for yourself, and I pointed out, they are getting more. The majority of the extra videos added to the schedule are regular genre VR videos. Go look at the last months releases, like I said.

                                                                I'm not trying to be argumentative with you at all. I'm just trying to understand your logic. To me it just seems clear there is room to make everyone happy.
                                                                As a hypothetical question, if SLR upped their release schedule to daily videos, 7 a week, how many would you find acceptable to be dedicated to genres/MR that you aren't personally interested in? You seem to want 4/4 now, would that still be the same with more?

                                                                      BML5768 As far as your other point, opportunity cost, there is more lost opportunity in not diversifying. The ideal business decision would be to provide your long term customers the content they want and ALSO add content that customers are asking for. Again, its not a binary decision, there is room to make both sets of customers happy.

                                                                      You're looking at it from a differnt angle than me. I don't speak about SLR's opportunity costs, but mine. Huge difference.

                                                                      BML5768 As a hypothetical question, if SLR upped their release schedule to daily videos, 7 a week, how many would you find acceptable to be dedicated to genres/MR that you aren't personally interested in? You seem to want 4/4 now, would that still be the same with more?

                                                                      That's not a binary question. I'd be happy that there were more scenes but I'd also be unhappy that some of the additional scenes were scenes that I can't or don't want to watch.
                                                                      You know, the world isn't only black and white and people are complex beings. It sounds weird but people are usually more unhappy about lost opportunities than not having much in the first place. If I only have X and there isn't more than X and I don't know that there could be more than X I'm completely happy with X. But if there is now x+1 and I know that there could be x+2 as well, x+1 feels a whole lot less satisfying than x ever felt although x+1 is factually more than x. That's why poor people in isolated regions don't really feel poor. People feel poor when they look at rich people, even though they migtt have a lot less than the objectively poor people in isolated places. That's how our brains work, we always compare stuff. IF SLR is clever - and it seems that they finally grasp human psychology - they separate stuff in different channels and might even offer different subscription models. If you don't have to look at the things and deal with the things that could have been but aren't it's a whole lot easier not to think about them and being happier in general.

                                                                            LordCrash I'd be happy that there were more scenes but I'd also be unhappy that some of the additional scenes were scenes that I can't or don't want to watch.

                                                                            I get that. I feel the same way. As a paying customer I get that when there are just a few videos coming out, they might not all be personally suited for me. It just feels bad than when more content is finally being made, that a bunch of us like and have been asking for, people are so negative and hostile against it.

                                                                            I think you're right too. Keep the 2-3 weekly normal videos on a set schedule under the normal channel and add the new ones under something else. That will hopefully keep the more selfish side of human nature you described under control.

                                                                                BML5768 It just feels bad than when more content is finally being made, that a bunch of us like and have been asking for, people are so negative and hostile against it.

                                                                                That's why it would have been a lot better if something like passthrough that is actually a completely different form of "headset porn" (VR vs AR/MR) had been separated into a different channel or even a different site from the very start. Those interested in it could have checked it out there and everybody else probably wouldn't even have taken big notice in the first place. Separate sub could have been an option but not necessarily.

                                                                                Just to name a little but powerful detail: Why is there a JAV filter but no passthrough filter? I can easily navigate on SLR without all that censored JAV stuff and most of the times I don't even think about it being there at all. Passthrough scenes are cluttered into the regular SLRO releases though and you literally can't avoid them right now. So you are forced to deal with them, to think about them - and to think about the lost opportunity by just checking out the upcoming scenes or the latest SLRO releases.

                                                                                Or take the burger joint example: It would have been better if they just opened a pizza restaurant next door. 😉

                                                                                    LordCrash It's actually hilarious that you're unironically complaining because you aren't getting 100% of SLR original scenes catered to suit your personal dislike of passthrough.

                                                                                    Passthrough and non-passthrough both belong on this site, and are popular on this site.

                                                                                    If you subscribed with the assumption that 100% of the future SLR Original content was always going to be exactly what you want it to be, and that it would remain as such forever. You were mistaken.

                                                                                    No reasonable person would have made this assumption.
                                                                                    Again. Hilarious.