Jacksonjdr94 It would be ridiculous if I went into every non-passthrough thread and started complaining about how much I hate it and that non-passthrough scenes are taking SLR's attention away from producing passthrough content.

You can very much do that if you like. Nothing wrong with it.

Jacksonjdr94 That wouldn't be legitimate feedback. That would just be me making consistent unreasonable complaints that aren't helpful or constructive

Wrong. No matter how often you repeat it, it's still wrong. You constantly mix together what's reasonable for you, me and the company SLR. That's three entirely different things though. I don't work for SLR and it's not my business what is reasonable business for them. For me it's reasonable to have as much content that I like as possible. Whether my feedback is helpful is up to SLR to decide since it's directed at them. It's not directed at you so I don't actually give a fuck whether you find it helpful or not. I guess very much though that it's not helpful for you since you actually like this content so it's a complete opposite kind of view.

Jacksonjdr94 If you want 100% control perhaps you should consider buying the company.
Might cost you a little more than $15 though.
That's reality, you get what you pay for.

Not sure where I wrote that I want to coerce SLR to only do certain things. You're making stuff up here just for the sake of it which is indeed pathetic...

We're talking about giving feedback here. Not more, not less. I can give feedback if I pay $1 or a million dollars, doesn't really matter. The only thing that matters is whether SLR deems my feedback valuable and whether they take it into consideration for their future plans. And that's 100% up to them.

I get it that this creeps you out, that SLR might lend us an ear and that they might do less of what you want to see in the future and more what we (or better I) want to see in the future. But if you want SLR to hear your POV maybe rather share your feedback on the topic instead of making fun of other people and their POV. Take part in the discussion like an adult and just deal with it that other people might have a different POV.

          rerun119 "Can we please get non-greenscreen versions?" is what this thread is called. It sounds like you are the one getting mad on a thread that is for us guys asking for non-green versions. Funny how that happened.

          Actually not at all. I'm perfectly happy for you to have your content as long as I still have mine.

          Because I actually understand that others getting content they like isn't the same thing as my content being taken away.

          It's when those others are asking for content I like to be taken away or abandoned that I object, i'm simply pointing out that that they're purely trying to ruin it for others rather than making it better for themselves.

          If you scroll up you could find that moving passthrough to a separate subscription was indeed suggested more than once.

          This is my point, has been my point and always will be my point. Glad we cleared this up.

              LordCrash yeah, all of what you wrote still amounts to "please take content away from other paying customers and make it all 100% about me because I'm a paying customer"

              It's highly amusing that you see this as a reasonable request. Or one that would be taken seriously for even a moment by the people at SLR.

              SLR have indicated that passthrough is hugely popular and it looks likely that it will only increase in popularity.

              You knew when you subscribed to this site that it isn't a niche site, it offers lots of different things for lots of different people. And by adding passthrough content it's continuing to do that in a brand new way that people enjoy.

              But evidently you fully expect to change that, which is hilarious.

              Evidently in your mind the moment you subscribed it meant that they should start making your desires their sole objective, and specifically at the expense of others.
              Again, hilarious.

                Jacksonjdr94 OK but why are you against letting the other people having a version of the thing they don't like that they actually would like?

                No, their goal is not to ruin it for others; the goal is to trade what they do not like for more stuff they do like. It's a self-serving goal, but it isn't sadism like you strawman it out to be.

                Perhaps though you should consider your own stance, because having non-greenscreen version or a replaceable background doesn't stop you from having your greenscreen version, but that seems to be the argument you've made based on what you've said your last couple posts.

                    ThePointyEnd you're mistaken I'm all for there being a non-green screen version.

                    More/better content = more subscribers = bigger budget = more/better content.

                    The inverse is also true.

                    Less/worse content = less subscribers = smaller budget = less/worse content.

                    Even if every scene isn't my thing. As a subscriber I benefit from this business growing and offering more/better content and gaining more subscribers.

                    There's no benefit to less content. None.
                    And less variety doesn't automatically equal more quality.

                    I simply find it ridiculous that some others are hellbent against there being ANY passthrough content at all ever just because they don't like it.

                    and somehow they've rationalized that the existence of the odd rare/occasional passthrough scene should be targeted as the reason for their dissatisfaction with other completely unrelated non-passthrough content.

                    It's one thing to ask for more content you want or to ask for improved quality. Which was what this thread started as. And the reason these forums exist.

                    But it almost immediately turned to "I don't like it, get rid of it and just make passthrough fans subscribe somewhere else"

                    As a passthrough fan, they brought me into it by saying that. I am objecting.

                    So yes, asking for more content you like is good.

                    But for a couple of users to constantly bitch and moan because a teeny, tiny miniscule portion of new content they dislike exists on a subscription site with 15,960 scenes is quite ridiculous. And it's become a recurring theme here.

                    Every passthrough related thread. They get out their metaphorical pitchforks and torches even though it's plainly obvious passthrough content is popular and here to stay.

                        Jacksonjdr94 Why are you picking fights because some people don't like what you love?

                        You can make every scene passthrough. There is another thread on here for you. He post multiple videos a day to help you. You have 15,960 passthrough videos right now. BTW no one complains about green on that thread or tells him to stop giving PT help. We can't push a button and make green videos have a nice beautiful background.

                        Jacksonjdr94 If you scroll up you could find that moving passthrough to a separate subscription was indeed suggested more than once.

                        Where?

                              rerun119

                              rerun119 We can't push a button and make green videos have a nice beautiful background.

                              We should be able to though. That's the most ridiculous thing about it. Kinda absurd it wasn't an option within the first week of the passthrough trend/fad started.

                              Jacksonjdr94 Based on your hostility towards the existence of this thread, I'm gonna call BS on that, because if that was even a little true, actually true, you wouldn't have been so hostile to this thread's existence in the first place. You don't get to start fires then claim you come in peace.

                                      Jacksonjdr94 There's no benefit to less content. None.

                                      there are benefits to less content. for example... lower costs... a better customer experience where we dont have to sift through pages of crap scenes from producers who have no idea what they are doing.

                                          ThePointyEnd my objection wasnt at the OP at all.

                                          You won't find anything I said being against a non-green version of passthrough scenes.

                                          My objection was that within the first handful
                                          of posts the thread quickly turned into "fuck passthrough, get rid of it completely. It doesn't belong here and people who like it can subscribe somewhere else".

                                              rerun119 I'm not picking fights with people for not liking what I love.

                                              I'm objecting to people saying what I love doesn't belong here and that I should have to get it somewhere else because they don't like it.

                                                  spacepirate we can block producers we don't like from our feed with relative ease.

                                                  Reducing costs is only helpful if it doesn't also reduce revenue by an equivalent or larger amount.

                                                  R&d into things like passthrough is also vital in a rapidly evolving and highly competitive industry.

                                                  How many companies at the top of their game stagnate and get left behind? I'd say lots.

                                                  If a product is helping to attract or retain enough paying subscribers, it makes sense to continue producing it.

                                                  Even if some people don't like it and get really really upset that money/time/talent is being spent on something they dislike.

                                                  Bottom line, passthrough content belongs here.

                                                      Jacksonjdr94 Bottom line

                                                      Please let this be the bottom. I feel like everyone has more than made their point. Every time someone replies here, photos of beautiful naked women get bumped down further in the forum and that's just not ok.

                                                        Jacksonjdr94 my objection wasnt at the OP at all.

                                                        You did. By acting how you act, you are. you can say that's not true, but the evidence proves otherwise.

                                                        Jacksonjdr94 I'm not picking fights with people for not liking what I love.

                                                        Actually, you are. And for some reason you don't seem to understand that everything you said is still here for posterity:

                                                        Jacksonjdr94 The entitled crybabies in this thread.

                                                        Jacksonjdr94 *******, you don't speak for the customer base.

                                                        Jacksonjdr94 I never had any intention of having a conversation with you in the first place, so I really don't give a fuck mate. 👍

                                                        This is literally just you trying to start a fight over the topic of getting a non-greenscreen version of greenscreen videos. Everybody that can read, can see what you said. It still exists. It's you trying to start a fight, And now for some reason you're pretending you're not, so you have nothing to contribute, you admitted it yourself you don't have anything to contribute in the quote directly above, and SLR has already said passthrough isn't going anywhere so there is no need to defend it, so as a quite matter-of-fact, your only reason to be here is to start a fight. You literally have nothing to contribute by your own admission.

                                                        It very much appears that trying to flame everyone, pick fights and troll this thread until it's locked so that the thread is ignored and we don't get non-greenscreen versions is your ultimate goal. At this point in time, that is EXACTLY what your intent is based on your actions. Here's the beautiful thing about this situation for you, though: You can easily prove me, and everybody else who sees what you're doing, you can prove all of us wrong by simply not posting and further derailing the thread. If you actually mean it, you won't respond thus continuing to derail the thread. If you do respond, you're derailing the thread, which means you proved everyone else right about what you're doing here.

                                                        It's actually extremely simple to follow because the actions speak for themselves: If you don't reply, you prove yourself right and prove everybody else wrong by letting people advocate and push through for a solution for the majority that currently have no use or desire for passthrough to get better content for them at no loss to you (because passthrough isn't leaving). If however, you reply at all, or if this thread gets locked, you prove me and everyone else right and you will have proven yourself wrong. I hope you're right that you have no objection to OP at all. We'll see.

                                                                    ThePointyEnd thx for the ultimatum. But I definitely never said anything against adding a non-green version.

                                                                    I was only ever objecting to the entitled people who expect passthrough to not exist on here and feel like they're being ripped off because SLR occasionally releases a passthrough scene they dislike, or that the existence of passthrough is somehow ruining all the other content they do like. Which is ridiculous.

                                                                    If you actually read what I wrote you'd understand this instead of trying to tell me my own opinions.

                                                                    I never initially tagged anyone. People wanted to argue with me, i went along but whatever.

                                                                    If you guys want me to stop replying in this thread how about you just don't @ me any further? (You never had to @ in the first place btw) Seems pretty simple.

                                                                      rolly That's exactly what I was telling them also. I was hoping that not only they let us load custom backgrounds but also let us load a separate video as a background for those of us with VR cameras to be able to shoot and hell, maybe even share, some of our own footage for others to try out. I'm already doing this manually with their VR scenes. They shoot all of them with a K2 Pro, which I used to own for a while, I have a few clips that I manually key on premiere pro and render out again and they look amazing, 1000 times better than any passthrough cameras on any headset because I am using footage from the same camera so the background looks just as crisp as the scene. Hopefully they listen and work on something like this.

                                                                          metichemsi I guess I don't understand. Isn't the whole point in passthrough is that you see yourself and your own bedroom? So it looks like I'm having sex with a porn star in MY bed.

                                                                          If you film a background then put that in the background then its the same porn but somewhere else? So if I understand then instead of having sex in a house "how it was filmed" now I'm having sex in a park. It could be cool to change the place but it seems like that wasn't the point in the first place.

                                                                          This would help fix the videos that are just green.

                                                                              rerun119 precisely, that is how passthrough is being marketed right now for these scenes. You put on your quest 2 or whatever headset you have that supports passthrough and you watch the scene in your bedroom. You will have to change position in real life when the position in the scene changes, so thats pretty annoying, since the scene can go from standing to laying down. That is to say that some people dont even have headsets that support this.

                                                                              The main issue I have with this is that there is no commercial headset that even has good passthrough.
                                                                              What I have been asking SLR is to develop a feature where we can select another video file as a background for passthrough scenes. For example, if I have a video of a park from a relatively similar angle, as if I was also laying down, I could play that second video as a background layer to those greenscreen videos. Does that make sense? That way, those of us with VR cameras can go out and shot clips of different locations to share with everyone and when you watch those greenscreen videos you can pick and chose your video background, just imagine going back and forth between the beach, a park, hell even a crowded mall haha the possibilities are essentially limitless and fully customizable.

                                                                              What I have been doing on my own today is taking one of their greenscreens and editing that scene on my video editor and manually adding my own backgrounds of my room and living room and just rendering the two video files together as one. The results look 1000 times better than any headset with passthrough because my video backgrounds were filmed with the same camera that the greenscreen scene was filmed in, so the custom background is the same resolution. I dont know if you have tried passthrough with the quest or even the quest 2 but those janky little cameras those headsets, and all headsets right now, suck and will never be as good as actual video footage at full resolution. So in a way, I am manually editing my own background to "fake" passthrough in my house, but it looks 1000 times better. Also, since I am editing the footage myself, I can shoot from all the different angles so that I dont have to move in real life each time the scene changes, like you would with actual passthrough, so it's also better that way.

                                                                              Anyways, sorry for the longwinded answer. Hope that makes some sense.

                                                                                I remember VR was never going to work. The devices were not powerful enough, poor image quality, bad editing etc.

                                                                                People always think, how it is now, is how it's always going to be.
                                                                                Completely missing the point that these early stages are necessary steps and serve as R&D.

                                                                                To give you an idea where this tech is going.
                                                                                Full size 360° holographic models in your room, you can view from any angle, walk around. Reacting in real time to your actions and speech. And, without wearing these heavy headsets.