Can we please get non-greenscreen versions?

Jacksonjdr94

rerun119 I'm not discounting your complaints with the non-passthrough scenes.

But if the quality of non-passthrough videos in your opinion has somehow suffered over time, or not meet your expectations, a fair solution would be to ask SLR make better non-passthrough scenes based on your feedback.

I think it's fair to offer constructive criticism with hopes of an improved product.

The feedback i took issue with however wasnt at all related to requests to increase the quality of non-passthrough. Or constructive at all.

It was those who were suggesting ceasing the production/release of SLR original passthrough scenes, in order to make way and let 100% of the current monthly quota of SLR original releases become non-passthrough.

Essentially saying "please don't waste any time/money/talent making scenes that I don't personally like even though other people love them. Just cater to my tastes only"

bobbytables

Jacksonjdr94 people aren't saying "cater to my tastes only", people are saying "cater to the literal thing you advertised I was paying for". The reduction of SLR originals quality is a direct result of lowered QC on videos and split focus on productions rather than the entire team focusing on putting out top tier quality VR porn (not passthrough). I can easily speak for most of us that are upset when saying that we would rather be back to 2 or 3 top notch scenes a week than 5 subpar scenes a week smattered with passthrough of models that haven't even shot normal vr porn, low-budget euro stuff, and total lack of QC on the normal stuff (i.e. compare the raw taboo freya scene vs the xxlayna scene with apryl, same house and same raw taboo, much worse quality).

Jacksonjdr94

bobbytables I do hear what you're saying. And if you want better quality non-passthrough scenes, it makes sense to offer constructive criticism and ask for better quality non-passthrough scenes.

SLR Original Passthrough scenes are in the pretty tiny minority. They're averaging what...1 per month? Maybe 2? You tell me... I know it isn't many.

So anyone asking them to stop making passthrough because they want better quality non-passthrough scenes is being utterly ridiculous and going about things the wrong way

It's reasonable to ask for more of what you do want. That's what these forums are for.

but expecting there to be less/none of what you personally dislike is indeed asking for yout tastes to be catered to exclusively.

As in "please stop making what other customers like, and put 100% of your time, resources and talent into only making what I like."

Other people are subscribed to this site too, and their tastes are often going to be different to yours.

It's unreasonable to have the expectation that your tastes would be would be prioritised over the tastes of others, especially to the point of demanding 0% passthrough content.

SLR aims to cater to a wide variety of customers by offering a wide variety of content instead of being a smalller niche site.

This offer of variety has always been what they've advertised and represents their primary edge over competitors, and they're trying to maintain that in a rapidly developing industry.

For this reason, they aren't going to actively make decisions to reduce variety
I truly think you just need to accept this.

That being said, variety isn't everything and quality is very important too. So any constructive criticism or requests in regards to increasing the quality of the type of content which you do like (as opposed to requesting less of content which you dislike) is obviously welcome as that's what these forums are for.

rerun119

Jacksonjdr94 I will say it again, it's not about you or your green videos so stop reading everything like it is.

It's about what I wrote 3 days ago.

Jacksonjdr94

rerun119 unbelieveable.
We've got a thread specifically about improving passthrough content, with a possible alternative version of passthrough scenes released to appease the non-passthrough people who already get about 95% non-passthrough content.

Which is fine, because more content is always a good thing.

But then people literally started saying "fuck passthrough. It's unwatchable. SLR should be 100% non-passthrough like back in the good old days. Put them on a separate site. This isn't what I signed up for"

And when I point out "that really isn't cool, a lot of SLR subscribers love passthrough. Including myself" you're getting snarky and saying "well, it's not all about you and your passthrough videos!"

Metamucil

Jacksonjdr94
I like how he says "Don't be so selfish, it isn't all about you and what you want you know? It's all about me and what I want."

LordCrash

Jacksonjdr94 We've got a thread specifically about improving passthrough content, with a possible alternative version of passthrough scenes released to appease the non-passthrough people who already get about 95% non-passthrough content.

Yeah, the non-passthrough content called VR. The stuff this site is actually all about, or at least, was in the past.

Maybe SLR should do 95% classic 2d porn in the future. I'm eager to hear your opinion on that one. Should be no issue since variety is king, hm?

What you don't seem to grasp is that we're not talking about different genres but different types of porn. VR porn isn't 2d porn but it isn't AR/MR porn either.

And again, it's perfectly fine to complain about a service that basically changes its whole identity and offers something different than before. That doesn't mean that SLR don't have the right to do whatever they want (it's free market captialism). Just get over it that not everybody likes this change. It's as simply as that. Reality is that there is always stuff some people like and some people dislike. And everybody has the right to give feedback, positive and negative.

Jacksonjdr94 And when I point out "that really isn't cool, a lot of SLR subscribers love passthrough. Including myself" you're getting snarky and saying "well, it's not all about you and your passthrough videos!"

Pretty funny how people attack others for their opinion on something (which is something that isn't allowed on any forum and yet moderation doesn't give a fuck....) but then get sour when those people get snarky about it... simply too good... 🤣

Seriously, if you like content X just state "I like content X." No need to judge others and their comments simply because they don't like something you like. Maybe care more about your own stuff than about the opinions of other people...

Metamucil

justsomedude101

Don't listen to these haters. The person saying only 20% of users like PT clearly has no idea what he is talking about and neither can I make any kind of wild assumptions to the contrary. Classic case of how people think everyone thinks like themselves. Also, marketing statistics 101 says people will speak up about a complaint of a service that don't like at a rate around 3X that of people who speak up about complimenting a service they like.

So don't be swayed by all the complainers or even my compliments about your PT progression and go by the stats on your service. I see PTs getting lots of favorites and hopefully you can track when someone saves them in a folder (or whatever you call it) because that is what I do for my PTs. I use my favorites for other videos that I like but don't have a specific category for.

Keep up the good work on the PT!

Jacksonjdr94

LordCrash Yeah, the non-passthrough content called VR. The stuff this site is actually all about, or at least, was in the past.<

And it still is. Over 99% of it in fact, the amount of non-passthrough VR content hasn't reduced, it's actually increased.

Not only has it increased, but the rate at which it increases has also increased. 😂

it's just that now there's some passthrough AR in addition to the non-passthrough VR.
(a very small amount, mind you)

But for some reason this is upsetting you and you find it unacceptable. Because you apparently expect 100% of the content to remain the type you want forever, and for SLR to never ever offer anyrhing new or different despite rapid industry expansion, development and evolution.
(which is obviously an entirely unreasonable expectation)

LordCrash Maybe SLR should do 95% classic 2d porn in the future. I'm eager to hear your opinion on that one. Should be no issue since variety is king, hm?<

Aah yes, because offering the occasional cutting edge new and developmental AR passthrough scene which uses the exact same 3D HMD and associated hardware as all the other 3D HMD VR non-passthrough scenes on this site is totallllllllllllly the same as reverting 95% of content back to obsolete 2D scenes made for a television. Clever boy!

Do you know what "false equivalence" means?
You're evidently an expert at making them.

LordCrash And again, it's perfectly fine to complain about a service that basically changes its whole identity and offers something different than before<

Except they didn't. At all. Not even close.

They're offering this new thing you don't like entirely as an addition to the existing thing you have always known and loved.

Way over 99% of the content available on SLR is still non-passthrough or "real VR" as you might say.
Lucky you!
All that content to choose from.
And more every single day!

LordCrash Just get over it that not everybody likes this change<

I'm perfectly fine with you not liking "the change". (just to reiterate, that change is purely the addition of passthrough content on top of an ever-growing library of the VR content they have always offered and are continuing to offer.).

Howcome you're not ok with other paying subscribers having a small amount of passthrough content on SLR?

If I'm the one who can't "get over it".... Howcone you're the one suggesting SLR should "stop making this new additional content completely. And those who like it can fuck off to another site"? 😂

Seems pretty obvious that you're the one who's unable to "get over it" that the addition of passthrough content is here to stay because lots of people like it. 👍

We might even call whst you're doing a tantrum.

LordCrash Reality is that there is always stuff some people like and some people dislike<

This I agree with 100%. So why exactly are you trying to get content that you personally don't like removed/abandoned/exiled when you know plenty of others like it?
You're contradicting yourself big time here.

LordCrash And everybody has the right to give feedback, positive and negative.<

Giving negative feedback is one thing, constructive criticism is helpful.

Saying "I don't like this new additional content at all so therefore you should stop wasting time/resources/talent making it completely, and focus exclusively on content that I personally like. Fuck everyone else. They can go to another site" isn't contstructive criticism, it's pure negativity and entitlement.

It'a an especially entitled expectation when "what you want" is already 99% of the available content.

You're literally just trying to take content away from others who already have very little of what they like

Let me repeat that. So it sinks in.

You're literally just trying to take content away from others who already have very little of what they like

LordCrash Pretty funny how people attack others for their opinion on something<

When your opinion is that you don't like passthrough content that's fine. You can hate it all you want. But these forums are really intended for constructive criticism.

Asking to be catered to 100% exclusively. And at the cost of other paying customers losing their favorite content isn't constructive criticism, it's entitled lunacy.

When your opinion is that what other paying customers want doesn't matter, and that those other subscribers should have to fuck off to another site.... you're not criticising the content. And it isn't constructive, you're literally just shitting on other customers and their tastes, and suggesting SLR should abandon them entirely

You're trying to diminish the importance of other customers as somehow less than your own. Again, entitled lunacy.

Sayung that the 1% passthrough content many other subscribers obviously like is somehow unworthy and irrelevant and therefore it doesn't belong on this site and should be abandoned completely,...that's not criticism just you being entitled and arrogant.

LordCrash Seriously, if you like content X just state "I like content X." No need to judge others and their comments simply because they don't like something you like. Maybe care more about your own stuff than about the opinions of other people...<

Ohhh the irony. Take your own advice buddy.

Right back atcha!
Seriously if you dislike x just say "I dislike content x" instead of campaigning to get it 100% removed and exiled to a separate site so that other paying SLR subscribers can no longer get a little bit of what they like.

How about maybe you could just be willing to let other paying SLR subscribers enjoy content X even if it isn't for you? Hmmmmm? Hmmmmmmmmm? Would that be so bad?

LordCrash

Jacksonjdr94 Asking to be catered to 100% exclusively. And at the cost of other paying customers losing their favorite content isn't constructive criticism, it's entitled lunacy.

No, it's called normal business interaction in capitalism. I always want the most out of the money I spend on something. I honestly don't care whether your needs are fulfilled as well, that's none of my business. You're a stranger on the internet so why should I care about you? Wo don't live in socialism, dude.

Jacksonjdr94 Howcome you're not ok with other paying subscribers having a small amount of passthrough content on SLR?

No. Again, I don't care about you. I'm not ok with stuff being made with my money that I don't like. My opinion is about me, not about you. That's exactly the difference between us. I don't judge on you and the stuff you want or don't want. Your expectations and dreams and aspirations are none of my business.

Jacksonjdr94 This I agree with 100%. So why exactly are you trying to get content that you personally don't like removed/abandoned/exiled when you know plenty of others like it?
You're contradicting yourself big time here.

No, I really don't. I can live with others not liking the stuff I like. I don't judge on them or try to educate them or whatever. I advocate for the stuff I like and disklike and everyone else is free to do so themselves. That's called normal feedback. I'm in no way required to speak for everybody else, that's actually ridiculous. I do only care about myself and I know that this might be shocking for you, but 9.,999999% of the customers here feel and act the same. It's just normal behaviour. So yeah, you should get used to that and just stop judging on others, that's kind of pathetic.

Jacksonjdr94 You're trying to diminish the importance of other customers as somehow less than your own. Again, entitled lunacy.

No. I don't think in such categories, only you do. I give feedback about the stuff I like and maybe don't like. That has nothing to do with you and the stuff you like or dislike. I'm really baffled that this is so hard to understand and that you want to make everything other people say about themselves about yourself. You WANT to be offended by others who simply state what they want to see on SLR and what they rather don't want to see (but other stuff instead). THAT is entitled lunacy.

Jacksonjdr94 Aah yes, because offering the occasional cutting edge new and developmental AR passthrough scene which uses the exact same 3D HMD and associated hardware as all the other 3D HMD VR non-passthrough scenes on this site is totallllllllllllly the same as reverting 95% of content back to obsolete 2D scenes made for a television. Clever boy!

LOL, 2d is in no way obsolete and it won't ever be so. Still much more relevant than VR for very good reasons.

And maybe you don't know that but you can watch 2D porn in VR headsets. 4k POV scenes often even look better than a lot of VR porn scenes that way. Mind blown, I know...

Jacksonjdr94 They're offering this new thing you don't like entirely as an addition to the existing thing you have always known and loved.

You stil don't understand that they don't have the resourses to do so. Other fields suffer because of this. And even then, there are costs of opportunity. Because they make this stuff they can't make other stuff with the same resources. And yes, I don't like that, for totally selfish personal reasons. You can call me an asshole for wanting the most out of the money I pay but in reality you're just making stuff up about some fair world that doesn't exist.

Jacksonjdr94 Saying "I don't like this new additional content at all so therefore you should stop wasting time/resources/talent making it completely, and focus exclusively on content that I personally like. Fuck everyone else. They can go to another site" isn't contstructive criticism, it's pure negativity and entitlement.

No, it's perfectly valid customer feedback. Just because you don't personally like it because it's indeed directed against stuff you personally like doesn't make it entitled. There's actually nothing entitled about that. It's negative feedback though, that's correct. Which again, is totally fine.

Jacksonjdr94 And it isn't constructive, you're literally just shitting on other customers and their tastes, and suggesting SLR should abandon them entirely

You're trying to diminish the importance of other customers as somehow less than your ow

LOL, you're really into that fairness fairytale in which everybody just sits around the fireplace and singing songs together while holding hands, aren't you? This is ridiculous though since such a world doesn't exist. So YES, I don't care about you, I really don't. I care about the product they sell to me since I pay them money for it. It's a business transaction between me and them that I evaluate here. That you make your own business transaction with them is none of my business. We don't know each other, I don't care about you and you don't do anything for me so why should I give anything a miss, even just 1% or 0.1%, for you? Reality is that nobody out there gives a damn shit about me and my expectations either. I can try to raise my voice and tell the companies I have business with what I like or don't like and that's about it. No need to get personally attacked by that (like you obviously are since that is the whole reason you're here!), it's completely pointless.

Jacksonjdr94 How about maybe you could just be willing to let other paying SLR subscribers enjoy content X even if it isn't for you? Hmmmmm? Hmmmmmmmmm? Would that be so bad?

Yes

spacepirate

jfc

Jacksonjdr94

spacepirate indeed, TL: DR maybe just let other people have the thing you dislike. please and thanks.

ThePointyEnd

Jacksonjdr94 OK but why are you against letting the other people having a version of the thing they don't like that they actually would like?

No, their goal is not to ruin it for others; the goal is to trade what they do not like for more stuff they do like. It's a self-serving goal, but it isn't sadism like you strawman it out to be.

Perhaps though you should consider your own stance, because having non-greenscreen version or a replaceable background doesn't stop you from having your greenscreen version, but that seems to be the argument you've made based on what you've said your last couple posts.

Jacksonjdr94

LordCrash it's not about a fairness fairytale. It's about reality.

You're just one person paying what.. $15-30 a month and you have the literal expectation that anything you don't like shouldn't even be here.

If you want 100% control perhaps you should consider buying the company.
Might cost you a little more than $15 though.
That's reality, you get what you pay for.

If you think the content you like best is suffering in quality then that is one topic.

disliking other content is a separate issue.

Let me see if I can explain this in a way you canunderstand.

It would be ridiculous if I went into every non-passthrough thread and started complaining about how much I hate it and that non-passthrough scenes are taking SLR's attention away from producing passthrough content.

That wouldn't be legitimate feedback. That would just be me making consistent unreasonable complaints that aren't helpful or constructive

But the reverse of that is what you and a few others are doing on literally every passthrough related thread that pops up on here.

A passthrough related thread comes up, you guys shit on it. Every single time.

Mutiny

I'm going to use this entire thread as a script for a scene and there's nothing either of you can do about it. 😉

LordCrash

Mutiny No problem, dude. Sending you my account information in a second, for royalties, you know... 🤣😛

rerun119

Jacksonjdr94 you and a few others are doing on literally every passthrough related thread that pops up on here.

"Can we please get non-greenscreen versions?" is what this thread is called. It sounds like you are the one getting mad on a thread that is for us guys asking for non-green versions. Funny how that happened.

I must add that you seem to be very personally mad and misunderstand what most people asked for with the green videos. People said to split up the green and normal videos into 2 different SLR sub-companies on SLR. I don't think I remember reading that anybody said pay an additional subscription. I think you are so worked up that that is what you think the evil non liking green video people said.

Anyways since this is a thread about Non-green video versions i'll be happy to talk to you on another thread that is "loving green videos" since this is the wrong thread for you.

LordCrash

Jacksonjdr94 It would be ridiculous if I went into every non-passthrough thread and started complaining about how much I hate it and that non-passthrough scenes are taking SLR's attention away from producing passthrough content.

You can very much do that if you like. Nothing wrong with it.

Jacksonjdr94 That wouldn't be legitimate feedback. That would just be me making consistent unreasonable complaints that aren't helpful or constructive

Wrong. No matter how often you repeat it, it's still wrong. You constantly mix together what's reasonable for you, me and the company SLR. That's three entirely different things though. I don't work for SLR and it's not my business what is reasonable business for them. For me it's reasonable to have as much content that I like as possible. Whether my feedback is helpful is up to SLR to decide since it's directed at them. It's not directed at you so I don't actually give a fuck whether you find it helpful or not. I guess very much though that it's not helpful for you since you actually like this content so it's a complete opposite kind of view.

Jacksonjdr94 If you want 100% control perhaps you should consider buying the company.
Might cost you a little more than $15 though.
That's reality, you get what you pay for.

Not sure where I wrote that I want to coerce SLR to only do certain things. You're making stuff up here just for the sake of it which is indeed pathetic...

We're talking about giving feedback here. Not more, not less. I can give feedback if I pay $1 or a million dollars, doesn't really matter. The only thing that matters is whether SLR deems my feedback valuable and whether they take it into consideration for their future plans. And that's 100% up to them.

I get it that this creeps you out, that SLR might lend us an ear and that they might do less of what you want to see in the future and more what we (or better I) want to see in the future. But if you want SLR to hear your POV maybe rather share your feedback on the topic instead of making fun of other people and their POV. Take part in the discussion like an adult and just deal with it that other people might have a different POV.

Jacksonjdr94

rerun119 "Can we please get non-greenscreen versions?" is what this thread is called. It sounds like you are the one getting mad on a thread that is for us guys asking for non-green versions. Funny how that happened.

Actually not at all. I'm perfectly happy for you to have your content as long as I still have mine.

Because I actually understand that others getting content they like isn't the same thing as my content being taken away.

It's when those others are asking for content I like to be taken away or abandoned that I object, i'm simply pointing out that that they're purely trying to ruin it for others rather than making it better for themselves.

If you scroll up you could find that moving passthrough to a separate subscription was indeed suggested more than once.

This is my point, has been my point and always will be my point. Glad we cleared this up.

Jacksonjdr94

LordCrash yeah, all of what you wrote still amounts to "please take content away from other paying customers and make it all 100% about me because I'm a paying customer"

It's highly amusing that you see this as a reasonable request. Or one that would be taken seriously for even a moment by the people at SLR.

SLR have indicated that passthrough is hugely popular and it looks likely that it will only increase in popularity.

You knew when you subscribed to this site that it isn't a niche site, it offers lots of different things for lots of different people. And by adding passthrough content it's continuing to do that in a brand new way that people enjoy.

But evidently you fully expect to change that, which is hilarious.

Evidently in your mind the moment you subscribed it meant that they should start making your desires their sole objective, and specifically at the expense of others.
Again, hilarious.

rerun119

Jacksonjdr94 Why are you picking fights because some people don't like what you love?

You can make every scene passthrough. There is another thread on here for you. He post multiple videos a day to help you. You have 15,960 passthrough videos right now. BTW no one complains about green on that thread or tells him to stop giving PT help. We can't push a button and make green videos have a nice beautiful background.

Jacksonjdr94 If you scroll up you could find that moving passthrough to a separate subscription was indeed suggested more than once.

Where?

Jacksonjdr94

ThePointyEnd you're mistaken I'm all for there being a non-green screen version.

More/better content = more subscribers = bigger budget = more/better content.

The inverse is also true.

Less/worse content = less subscribers = smaller budget = less/worse content.

Even if every scene isn't my thing. As a subscriber I benefit from this business growing and offering more/better content and gaining more subscribers.

There's no benefit to less content. None.
And less variety doesn't automatically equal more quality.

I simply find it ridiculous that some others are hellbent against there being ANY passthrough content at all ever just because they don't like it.

and somehow they've rationalized that the existence of the odd rare/occasional passthrough scene should be targeted as the reason for their dissatisfaction with other completely unrelated non-passthrough content.

It's one thing to ask for more content you want or to ask for improved quality. Which was what this thread started as. And the reason these forums exist.

But it almost immediately turned to "I don't like it, get rid of it and just make passthrough fans subscribe somewhere else"

As a passthrough fan, they brought me into it by saying that. I am objecting.

So yes, asking for more content you like is good.

But for a couple of users to constantly bitch and moan because a teeny, tiny miniscule portion of new content they dislike exists on a subscription site with 15,960 scenes is quite ridiculous. And it's become a recurring theme here.

Every passthrough related thread. They get out their metaphorical pitchforks and torches even though it's plainly obvious passthrough content is popular and here to stay.

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