I have thrown in the towel, I give up. Years of asking for face-to-face seated cowgirl and missionary, and there used to be some, now they have completely disappeared from the SLR Originals. I haven't watch any new SLR Originals releases for weeks, I'm not interested in them anymore.
Help SLR Originals nailing down the angles consistently
Example how to submit:
Reverse cowgirl
I think this angle is good/not good/too far etc
Philip I'm on a quest to standardize shooting angles across our many production.
Porn by numbers is bad. Let the directors simply do their thing, please. Not everything has to be standardized and it actually shouldn't be. Standardization is the death of creativity and the so valuable magic usually dies first. By making everything similar you usually make everything mediocre for everyone, it's a lowest common denominator approach that always fails. People have different opinions, expectations, fantasies, perceptions. There is no way to make everyone happy with every scene, so simply allow different approaches and different ways of shooting stuff. VRfanservice do their thing and Alex Nash does his thing and so on. They're all unique and that's actually a really good thing. Let them learn from each other but please, don't standardize anything.
Cool idea! I'll try my hand at it. I'm mixing a few of the 190 fisheye Originals and the 200 fisheye Originals though. Let me know if you prefer just one or the other.
45 degree Reclined Seated POV works best for cowgirl IMO.
If the recline is too steep, then the FOV shrinks too much.
If the recline is too shallow, then it's almost like laying down POV but not as good.
Both the recent Kenna/Skye and the ACC/Bella were good examples of 45~ degrees:
45 degree recline also wells really well for teases and body licking, because we see more than just the top of their heads, and we can actually see their faces looking upwards:
Close-Up Missionary, well Nash is the master of that. There were some points in time (a year ago), where the position was too close, or too above, but those have been worked out and things have become super consistent nowadays.
Good example (Kenna/Skye):
Not As Good (too close and too above, Kenzie/Tru):
Laying down Cowgirl. I'm going to deviate a bit away from Master Nash, and say I actually really like VRFanservice's laying down angle in this scene. This may not be the best screenshot of this, but there is a lot of headroom in this shot, and there were moments in this scene where the performers could lean all the way forward and do "hoverface" cowgirl, which is when their faces are leaning super close, and hovering above the viewer's face. I think in order to achieve this, the camera needs to be very low and angled slightly upwards. The male nipples/torso still need to be in view of course, but the key is to have that ample headroom for ultra close lean-ins.
That's all I got for now =) Must get back to work!
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I been requesting this doggystyle camera position with the camera.
My suggestion:
Can I suggest trying something different with cam position during doggystyle.
See this gif here how it looks like my head is behind her butt
And this one looks like my head hoovered over butt
The first gif they don't have to much of angle facing dowards, it's slightly straight and I guess pulled back more?
I've notice a few studios doing the doggy more like this, I mean both are fine,
fuck...both look good really 
...I don't know just a suggestion I had. 
Czech had a great position in one their recent scenes.
Looks like I'm actually behind her, sum doggy in this cam position would look great!
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My favorite position is laying cg rcg, most studios been doing great filming these positions.
My rule of thumb as long as the males upper chest is in the frame that's a good camera position.
Camera angle with a slight 
tilt up award...
But I'd like to see more front face to face cg ...not talking about a hoover face cg...
Here's my example I commented about Sera
My comment:
Man, Sera is an awesome performer!
I like to think she got an signature move, other talents do it to sometimes, but every scene I've seen Sera in she hit this move and she does it great!
And its this move right here
Upclose face to face laying cg, it's not a hoover face, hoover face I gotta look up at their face and I can't see their body movment.
The up close face to face laying cg, and Sera executes it perfect there's eye contact and her full body cg action is in view.
She does it great! And she does it often, her signature move 
See how she comes in for the face to face close up
We need more tounge action in vr when close up like this too.
That's all i got, the Pornaverse been pertty good lately with the camera positions 
I personally want to see more time of the models taking the clothes off and showing off their entire body in full view, especially chicks with really nice asses and curves like a Valentina Nappi you recently had. it was a great scene, but so little of her whole body in the shot, it got close up super quick and just kind of stayed there. NA imo has been the best at showing off the strengths of the specific model's body.
I just thought of position I'd like see we hardly ever or never seen...
Boy girl scissoring, book a big stunt cock male model for that in pov. 
Philip After reading comments from different websites lean-in cowgirl seated cowgirl and closeup missionary are most popular among people just do them in every scene.
Why on Earth would you want to standardize shooting positions. Scenes are cookie cutter enough already. The scenes that work for me show angles that I don't see all the time. I know it's not for everyone, but I like when a director figures out how to combine non-POV with POV. I like (occasionally) when I can see the cumshot up close when the female takes it on the face or in the mouth. Seems like almost every scene starts off with the female on her knees, then he goes in for some DATY, then corgirl, missionary and finally cumshot. C'mon. You can do better. Mix it up.
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mookiemeatball Why would you have 10 slightly different angles for same cowgirl position?
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@Philip I’ll work to throw in screenshots later. I’m a fan of Nash’s girl/girl intermissions midway through his scenes. I enjoy the pussy closeups and facesitting scenarios. Especially if there isn’t too much moaning fakery from the girl. Pleasure on her face is more than sufficient here.
Typically though all Nash does is throw the girls into 69 with the top girls ass in our face. I’d like to see that get changed up. Let’s have the bottom girls pussy in our face, or one or both girls sitting in front of us legs spread wide. Or some side view of 69 that lets us see a wider shot letting us enjoy their bodies more?
Speaking generally, I’d hate things to just turn into checklist cookie cutter formula though. NA already does that and it’s become so predictable — sex should never be predictable. By all means create some best practice guidelines for key moments, but please don’t become formulaic in the process.
Here’s the NA formula for their Friday scenes. Scene setting > guy enters > tease > BJ > (seated front CG > seated rear CG)x3 > (laying front CG > laying rear CG)x3 … and on and on… every scene every time. Don’t become slaves to templates and checklists. Surprise can go a very long way.
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She should literally be like a “cowgirl consultant”. 
The best at it I’ve ever seen.
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Jeef
I take a wild guess that you've never seen a CzechVR scene...that's actual cowgirl territory...
If you had to standardize angles just copy everything CVR does. VR porn gold standard right there. It's that simple.
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LordCrash this. just copy the angles and shot framing of czechvr. all their stuff is spot on.
btw having this limitation isnt useful:
Philip Please stick only with fisheye originals, for it being a native viewing format on the set.
youre asking us to provide examples of ideal angles using only slr originals scenes.. which for some positions dont ever use ideal angles.
spacepirate feel free to provide other producers too then, I'll have to manually convert screenshots though
One import general remark about positions is to be able to match the perspective of the scene with reality and align your body to that of the male performer. When this is done well it will feel far more immersive and natural. When it's done badly it's really hard to get a feeling that your in the scene and not watching something on a screen.
I think every position should be checked with something like a quest pro with the passthrough on 50% opacity. Can I match the perspective (align the floor with my room) and still sit, lie down, etc. and match my body to the actor? Can I do this while having my body in a relaxed natural position? Is the size of "my" body correct, are my legs roughly at the same size and is my virtual dick at the right place 
?
I still see this going wrong all the time (it might be hard due to males having heads and all 
) but imo this is the foundation for a good angle. I still often find positions where you cannot match the perspective: without breaking your neck, whithouth looking in the world at a strange angle, without being like a drone hovering just above the head of the male or when you match the floor your body is almost underneath you, etc.
Another thing that you'll often see is that the male body is in the wrong position relative to the origin of the camera. E.g. your body in the scene is to small, your head is not where it should be, the up down angle in relation to your body is unnatural or even impossible.
I think the SLR Originals are doing a pretty good job at this most of the time. But there are also times that it can be improved. Still, doing a "passthrough check" like mentioned in the above is essential imo.
fenderwq youre right and thats another area that could be improved. the up-down position of the camera relative to the body as well as the forward-back position need to look believable for maximum immersion. sometimes in standing positions the camera is too far forward of the body.