This post might be controversial for SLR and therefore might be removed quickly... censoring is easier.
That´s why I will also put copies to Reddit.

What is this about?
You all (users and creators) have noticed that lately SLR also publishes 2D Flat content and "magically" makes it kind of 3D - something old 3D TVs also did - some better, some less good.
Okay - fine.

BUT...
The "problem" with that is (and will show up soon) that the Feed now gets flooded with scenes some creators have in stock - that have been published elsewhere long ago, that´s crappy, short and not worth your time or dollars (I know it´s a matter of taste). These scenes get almost no likes but they water down the profits for those creators that do what most users signed up for - immersive VR180 3D content. Because if there are 20+ 2D scenes on the first page - the 3D scenes are on page 2 and beyond minutes after being posted. Less clicks, less watchtime, less money.
Per default the 2D scenes should be in the sandbox or filtered or in a section for this content. Because whoever wants to watch them will find them there.

Why am I complaining?
Because 3 years ago when we started we where able to just make the money back on our scenes - but we invested time, knowledge and money into tech and filming. Paying the models etc. So we would have some spare money in the future. The buildup was slow but steady and we thought as soon as we pass the 100 scenes we will actually make profit - maybe sooner if the audience grows.
But SLR did a lot of things that kept us from growing. Permanent discounts, lifetime memberships, nontransparent stats that never changed really... so we could never know why our income simply got stuck even though we uploaded 1 scene per week.
Now the income is going downwards - first time in our SLR history. Because simply our scenes are not seen any more.
SLR does not care - they get their 40% of everything - they are not interested if they share the rest with 100 creators or 1000. Sadly the amount of money in the game seems never to grow. If we see money from lifetime members at all? We do not know... but it would be nonsense for SLR to share money from users that payed once and will possibly watch films for 10 years... because then they would loose money, right?

When we addressed that in an email - they replied the following:

_Your concerns were addressed to SLR management team, and we'd like to share our response with you.

First, we want to thank you for sharing your thoughts—it’s a valid concern and we hear you.

Second, we’re not shifting focus away from VR180 or creators who make VR videos.
What we’re doing is expanding the boundaries of what VR can be, exploring new formats, tools, and user experiences to help the entire ecosystem grow.

Flat and hybrid content are being introduced not to replace VR creators, but to bring new users, increase engagement, and ultimately create more opportunities for creators to benefit from a bigger, more diverse economy.

Doing the same thing leads to complete stagnation of the platform followed by industry stagnation. We’re pushing into areas that might seem uncomfortable now, but they are long-term bets on innovation.

That said, we do value your content and contributions. If there’s room to talk about better alignment going forward, we’re open to that. But we also need to stay committed to evolving the medium, even if it means some temporary discomfort.
​
When VR becomes bigger, better, and more mainstream, everyone wins.
We’re betting on growth, not dilution. Hope you’ll keep betting on that too_

So basically - we hear you but we are not changing anything.

There is a group of VR productions that is thinking alike - but most of them cannot afford to boycott SLR and stop uploading scenes. They have to deal with the lower income, decrease their production costs (basically not working on better scenes and tech and possibly even creating less good scenes than they could - no new stuff, no risks, no high quality tech upgrades) and keep their mouths shut.
Luckily we do not have to rely on SLR money that much (sure it covers most of the costs but we live of our main jobs) - this way we can now try to make some moves here.
We paused our releases. We removed some scenes to make a point. We will post in Forums and talk to other creators.
This is possibly leading nowhere as we do not really expect consumers to stand up also speak out with us - why should they - we are just delivering 1 video per week and there are 40K Videos available to satisfy almost any need. But look at the front page - how many of these videos do you actually want to see? Why did you join the page? The creators made the site big and SLR is no longer interested in us. They can produce their own scenes now, make Millions on the users and let just enough money through towards the creators to survive.

WE would like to make at least a few users aware of this and maybe achieve a change. Something that makes sense, like a sub page for the 2D conversions or a separate site. If they think it is the future, then build on it but not on the back of your creators. You did not ask us if we wanted to give 86% discount on our work all year long. Or sell lifetime for 300 ... and you did not ask our opinion on 2D content watering down our content.

If I could decide that Lifetime members cannot see my content as I think I deserve more than 0 Cent per watch - I should be able to set it up like this. and there are many other things wrong at the moment.
Is SLR the only website with untransparent stats, discounts the whole year and super cheap lifetime memberships? No. But they are the first with this unfiltered 2D nonsense.

If you want quality content to be produced in the future, speak up.
If you are not interested in the 2D content, speak up.
If you think separating the 2D content from the real 3D content, speak up.

We are hoping to achieve something - but are realistic enough not to expect it.

Thanks for reading all of this.

Your team of 2 at KinkyGirlsBerlin

    I don't want the 2D content, I want it moved elsewhere, in it's own category, filtered out of the main VR content. More, and more garbage content is being added, and it's becoming harder to find the quality content that I am here for.

      I couldn't care less about 2d porn and don't think it will work for the platform. I personally have it filtered out as I came here for vr content.

      As for your point, I can image that the flood of 2d buries your content and actually made that point to double vr in the past but from the consumer perspective. Like people come here for vr. Why show a bunch of generic 2d? I more them get your point too though.

      Anyways, how does the whole revenue model work anyways? You said: "You did not ask us if we wanted to give 86% discount on our work all year long. Or sell lifetime for 300". Most people on this forum have no clue you know.

        I've voiced my concerns as have others. In response they pat us on the head and give similar corporate speak, about expanding userbase and increasing engagement, that you received in reply to your letter.

        KinkyGirlsBerlin If I could decide that Lifetime members cannot see my content as I think I deserve more than 0 Cent per watch - I should be able to set it up like this. and there are many other things wrong at the moment.

        I am a lifetime member, and I did not know that this would affect studios in this matter. I assumed downloads/streams/likes would still affect a studio's payout. I am sorry you and other VR studios are going through this. You have some creative videos that stand out from the average VR team. I hope you are able to bounce back!

            KinkyGirlsBerlin You are one of the few interesting studios in VR porn, at the very top quality wise as of late. For me personally quality is far more important than quantity in VR porn and thus I appreciate studios like yours, 80% of the content on this site is simply such low quality that it is not worth watching.

            I don't know how the monetization works but I really hope that quality studios get benefitted over all the low tier stuff that sometimes flood the new videos tab

              Yeah, I really don't know how or if they plan on paying studios for the lifetime membership stuff. But with no income from the subscribers, there is nothing to share. I do think that should be a toggle to allow it or not. If SLRO want to give stuff away for free, that should be their call. I don't put things on Pornhub for that reason

                KinkyGirlsBerlin, I am a big fan of your studio. I think the quality of your videos is the best, bar none.
                I agree with some of what you said, for example I don't understand how it makes sense to sell lifetime subscriptions for 300.
                But I think you are on the wrong track when it comes to 2D videos being the problem. By default 2D videos are filtered out, and you have to toggle them on to see that they are there. I happened to stumble upon them by accident because they show up when you view the site without logging in.
                I didn't realize you were putting out a video every week, it seems like I've been seeing it less. And this is coming from someone who loves your studio's work. There has been an increase in volume of videos being released - not just 2D, and your videos are getting lost in the volume. Some studios are even taking down and re-releasing old videos with minor changes.
                Sorry, I don't have any solutions.

                  I’m curious what the revenue model is for third party studios. I just assumed you would be paid based on the amount of streams on your videos, not based on a share of the site membership revenue but I have no clue how it works.

                  I do think it’s a shame that there aren’t more standalone sites and that everyone seems to have to upload all their content here in order to make anything from it. It just means that SLR basically control almost the entire VR porn industry and everyone has to fall in line with their rules and restrictions. It makes VR porn very generic.

                    I totally agree with you — ever since SLR started adding 2D content, high-quality VR scenes get pushed down way too quickly. When you open the homepage now, it's mostly flat, low-effort videos. SLR seems to be focusing more on flat content instead of investing in the growth of an immersive platform, which is what most users actually come here for — VR, not 2D porn.

                    On top of that, 2D scenes are paid from the same pool as VR scenes, which really hurts VR creators. It limits our ability to grow and innovate, and we've seen a noticeable drop in our earnings over the past few months. I actually brought this up with them some time ago, and the response I got was very similar to the one you posted — basically no real action. It really feels like SLR has shifted away from quality and is now just chasing quantity.

                    I also fully agree that we should have the option to decide whether or not we want our scenes to be included in lifetime subscriptions. And honestly, SLR should either create a separate platform for 2D content or pay significantly less for flat videos compared to VR. A great example is FapHouse — they have separate subscriptions for VR and flat content, which makes much more sense for both the creators and the users.

                    Just my opinion but flat 2d is not going to bring anybody to a VR site. Why would it? It's free on over the internet. @KinkyGirlsBerlin I tried to voice this back in the beginning of all this flat stuff. I got the same response as you.
                    It's obvious that only people that are on here for VR already are going to be the only ones watching the flat videos.
                    I tried to tell SLR that they need to focus on making the best videos possible if they want to bring more people to SLR. There are tons of people that watch VR on other sites. Those are the people they should be going for.
                    You might just be the first to leave before more.
                    I want great VR content not 15 year old 2d porn. If I wanted 2d porn then I will look it up for free anytime I want it but I don't want it. And I don't want any of my money that I paid to a VR site to be given to 2d.

                    This sucks for you guys and us the consumers. But I'm not surprised at all. I have to say the us the consumers also seem to not matter.

                    Good Luck

                      rerun119 Just my opinion but flat 2d is not going to bring anybody to a VR site. Why would it? It's free on over the internet.

                      That's false. People watch 2D porn, if SLR has 2D porn and they hear about it, some will come check it out. It's still very early days and not a ton of it yet, but give it time and you'll see

                      I understand SLR adding 2D porn in order to bring in new customers but the way they went about it is very confusing and improper

                      A simple example, I get alerts that my favourite models have uploaded new scenes, but it's in 2D - I don't care for 2D, I thought I blocked it all..

                      Another example, the trans section of the website is segregated (which is what 2D should have been) and not working properly, now it is overrun by 2D videos and there is no way to filter it out due to it being a half-broken segregated part of the website https://www.sexlikereal.com/trans?sort=most_recent

                      The biggest trans VR studios left SLR recently out of frustration due to SLR's complete and utter lack of interest in supporting the content and making it findable (and not segregated) among other things. The section was on it's last legs and now it's unusable

                      Another reason for a drop in earnings might be the broken notification system not sending alerts of new scenes when following studios with notifications enabled

                      Example: 2 new uploads from +33 studio within the past 5 days, no notifications received and the other notifications I have are for 2D scenes..

                      Regarding lifetime, I don't agree with adding a way to block from viewing clips - I think instead their streaming minutes should be included in the general pool in some fashion to determine payout splits between videos/studios - or is this already the case?

                      SLR should be more transparent with all of this stuff, they rely on studios uploading content after-all

                      Ya'll need to unionise

                          By the way @KinkyGirlsBerlin I am a fan of your content but with there being so many studios and videos uploaded here on a daily basis it's understandable if 1 video per week is not getting as many views or earnings compared to years previously

                          I'm not trying to minimise SLR's lack of transparency by saying that

                          There have been some studios gaming the system by re-uploading their entire catalogue to the frustration of viewers, I think SLR has or is trying to prevent this from happening

                          A legit way to gain more views is by releasing a second bonus / extended video, VREdging do a "directors cut" that is generally 15+ mins of extra footage/positions - That's 2 videos for 1 filmed scene

                          Just a thought but maybe an extended unedited long-form blowjob scene could work as a separate release? Perhaps even in the style of VREdging (you can tell i'm a fan of theirs) 😆

                          I don't know if the women in your videos do their own hair & makeup on set but it could be an idea to film it in an intimate behind-the-scenes format, sort of like a girlfriend getting dressed to go out - maybe even trying on outfits

                          But anyway I do hope SLR make some changes for the betterment of studios because as it stands things are only getting worse and it's driving both studios and customers away

                            jommy That's false. People watch 2D porn, if SLR has 2D porn and they hear about it, some will come check it out. It's still very early days and not a ton of it yet, but give it time and you'll see

                            How do you know that this is false? Maybe a hand full but am not counting 100 people. Do you know some inside numbers that the rest of us don't know"
                            Even if a small few decide to pay for free porn for some reason. That don't help any of the VR companies. They are going to watch 2d. But now the VR companies have to loss money to the people that are here for VR that happen to watch a couple of 2d videos from time to time.

                            I will mark this down and give it some time and be looking to see. How long do you figure this will take for us VR guys to see the benefit?
                            The only people that benefit from 2d being here is the companies that make or have old 2d videos just lying around and SLR. We the VR customer surely do not benefit.

                              manok87346 I read on many other posts that you CAN actually filter 2D from your timeline. Still not perfect for new releases of an model that turns out to be 2D though - but anyways. Give it a try. I would prefer separate categories though to keep the feed cleaner.

                                fenderwq Most creators also have no clue - I read about different answers that SLR gave in the past. Watchtime and clicks are important it seems. But also each member is worth a certain amount of money per day (not month but that´s where the money comes from - so a 5 Dollar subscriber is worth less than a full price subscriber and about Lifetime nobody knows or speaks). This daily worth seems to be spread over the content he watches... but if he watches no video on a day - nobody knows what happens to that money - will it be added to the other days? And if so... if a user just watches 1 Video per week will 60% of his monthly fee be given to the creator of this one video? No wayyyyyy.
                                All we can see is how many views we had, how many hours have been watched and what we get per day. Doing the math the revenue got halved within 2 years. No explanation why. Are our videos less good? Are the viewers paying less or watching more? No idea...

                                    g2kbuffetboy Thanks - I would also not be aware without some background information and my own experiences with other lifetime offers. I have for example an lifetime subscription to a Social media planning tool. Which all the sudden did not work with twitter any more and then got replaced by a BETTER version that I can buy lifetime for just XXX dollar - I could also still use the old version of course... which was deleted another 6 month later. So I learned that lifetime cannot be sustainable for companies that have ongoing costs for hosting, staff etc. as at a certain point lifetime is longer than the money lasts 😉 So there must be something about it to make it worth for SLR - and part COULD be just simply not sharing this money - OR (this is not the case I hope) they push their income numbers and user count with them for an exit...

                                      doublevr That would be sad. People should be able to express their worries (and I do not feel I was overly bad in what and how I said it) without getting negative effects from it. I know that the company SLR is run by people that decide from the guts a lot - but I am not trying to offend somebody personally but help creators to voice their concerns. And I see that at least a dozens of them is not speaking out as the fear exactly this - punishment and loosing income - could happen tells me a lot about their experiences. I was asking around "will you support me?" and they said basically "no, it´s not safe for us" ... well sorry, but if I cannot talk about my situation and how to improve it - why should I share my income almost 50/50 with somebody that does not support me fully?

                                        VRHotwife Same for all the discounts - I understand the market situation - You get 80+% discount everywhere - so if we do not do it, we cannot compete. But that also means that no creator can open his own site. A creator site would have a fraction of the videos as it´s mainly their own. So users expect a fraction of the costs while the creator only can attract a fraction of the users. So in order to make a living the creator HAS to ask what the big websites use as their default price but reduce it for advertisement up to 90% - working only if several hundred people are using it. A really tough situation