Missing thumbnail contact sheets

doublevr

db456 previews are being fixed

klassh

doublevr no response for the rest of us?

slrUser

Whew... Glad these are being fixed. You guys would be foolish to remove this feature. Glancing at a contact sheet can save us tons of time, and you tons of bandwidth.

Mathyace123

You can also remove trailer, video description and tags - nobody using it

Hairsational

Mathyace123 Passthrough as well. Nobody uses that /s

fuccaneer

Hairsational seems like a pretty good rationale to remove flat too

crazyfists

That really sucks if they are gone for good, I always use them.

jommy

RIP, it uses such a tiny amount of compute resources to generate thumbnails for VR videos and they are indeed very useful - no BS unlike cover artwork

jdogfunk100

It's counter-intuitive to reduce the value of a service. Most companies improve their features, not take them away. It just makes no sense at all. It's just a big 'F-You' to your customers.

jommy

jdogfunk100 It's counter-intuitive to reduce the value of a service. Most companies improve their features, not take them away. It just makes no sense at all. It's just a big 'F-You' to your customers.

Removing useful features and customer value while also increasing prices (pay to download original quality videos..) usually means one of two things..

Bad finances, cutting costs

Fattening up ready for a sale

🤷

erniescar69

slrUser I think he was referring to the tiny preview vids when you hover over a video and not contact sheets. As far as I'm aware the contact sheets are gone and not coming back. He explicitly stated near the top of this topic that contact sheets would not be implemented on the new site.

fuccaneer

jommy
Yup, loans taken out with ridiculous terms. Not being able to make the vig so they give up points in the business. Their new "partners" flex on them pretty hard so they scramble to both generate quick revenue/reduce costs and to try and find some way out of the situation they got themselves into.

BTW: I have a treatment script for "SLR: Behind the Bros" if anyone is interested.

erniescar69

fuccaneer You'd think that if things are bad for them financially they would be trying to keep subscribers, not pissing people off by taking away useful features that we like.

DVR is as stubborn as the day is long so I have little doubt that contact sheets are gone for good.

I've had annual subs for at least 6 years now, and I have always used and relied on the contact sheets to help me choose which scenes I wanted to DL. I hate the site without them, the short preview vid and 4 promo pics are useless so I simply won't be renewing.

doublevr

fuccaneer none of that. Just optimizing transcoding flow for faster releases. Surprisingly CS takes significant rendering time and slows release process.
Also every feature takes some maintenence and qa costs - it's important we can justify it.

Anyway let me see if we can move it down the list so we can release videos without CS and generate it separately later on without holding scene release

wongry

I really relied on these contact sheets to properly pick out a scene I want to watch.
Discovery is much harder without them; restoring contact sheets would help me use SLR more.

YouThotYet1996

Not many things would make me stop supporting SLR, but this is one of them. Bring it back, this was a very stupid decision. I think you massively underestimated how much these are relied upon for shopping scenes. Many trailers don't show all the content in a scene. This was a very anti-consumer move. If it won't be included on the new site either, I'm officially done with SLR.

Hairsational

doublevr Surprisingly CS takes significant rendering time

I'm not buying that. 48 downscaled screenshots of a scene is something a script could do in minutes. That's a drop in the ocean compared to the video encoding you guys have to do.

doublevr Also every feature takes some maintenence and qa costs - it's important we can justify it.

It's a stable feature that hasn't seen any significant change is years, what possible maintenance and QA would be needed?

fuccaneer

doublevr Anyway let me see if we can move it down the list so we can release videos without CS and generate it separately later on without holding scene release

Thanks. That middle ground would be appreciated.

erniescar69

Hairsational I'm not buying that. 48 downscaled screenshots of a scene is something a script could do in minutes. That's a drop in the ocean compared to the video encoding you guys have to do.

I use a small program that can produce contact sheets in seconds.

fuccaneer

Sounds to me like they're working on the margins. IOW: they have a punchlist of a bunch of tiny little things that either slow the process by 0.01% or increase resource costs by 0.01% and they're trying to fix them all in hopes of having a decent combined positive effect.

The problem, of course, is that each of these changes must be considered on its own to determine the 2nd order impacts like "does this change worsen the user experience". We all know that SLR doesn't do that very well--its easier to make a snap judgment then look for some number to justify the decision.

And now we get to maybe the crux of the matter: the tech bro mantra of "move fast and break things". This lack of caution and the tendency to gamble that the end result will be worth pissing off some customers. IMHO this kind of mentality has so permeated tech that they use it even in inappropriate situations like this -- this is the unwritten second part of the mantra "move fast and break things; then go back and fix them later".

doublevr

It's getting fixed. Should be back online within a few weeks or up to some few months.
Moving it to ai so you can expect some hottest frames and intelligence

Hairsational

doublevr Moving it to ai so you can expect some hottest frames and intelligence

I'm not convinced that you understand why people use it. Nobody uses it because they want to see the hottest frames – that's what the promo shots are for. People want to see how the video actually plays out.

slrUser

doublevr > "Moving it to ai so you can expect some hottest frames and intelligence"

First off, thanks for listening to our feedback! Glad this feature is returning.

AI powered contact sheets sound like a great idea, let's be honest, a fixed timestamp often results in extreme repetition, and often misses some of the most unique moments. HOWEVER I get the argument others are making against it.

Could you perhaps generate both? And let people use whichever they like? If you're already generating one, we're talking about a trivial amount of compute/storage to generate the other.

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