Downloads plan revamp

xeddin1 Jeez man! This feels like a dead end. Now it just seems like we're brainstorming in circles, trying to break through the matrix of reasons behind pushing us to use the app. @doublevr could clear this up with a simple answer.

I just want to know the answer to this question, which I'm asking for the third time: The whole dilemma is about people hoarding content and finding ways to stop them so they remain subscribed. What if I don't download at all and stream directly through the site (not the app since we're not getting any clear answers)? Is that okay, and will it give us the same benefits mentioned before?

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I don’t think you will get an answer to a question about their financial statements, and I don’t think you should feel entitled to have an answer.

I also don’t think this post has an underlying scheme to push more people to stream, but rather, to stop abusers from downloading in extreme excess of what is appropriate.

[deleted] SLR wants people to use their app so they can control the experience. They can recommend certain scenes from SLRO or their key partners and accept income from studios wanting to promote their content in the user's "feed" (if they're not doing that now, they will eventually, it's a very typical form of soft advertising). SLR is treating porn like tech / social media and therefore control of the user's feed is vital in gathering data and forming a relationship with the user. Just like FB wouldn't want you to use some 3rd party viewer to check FB content. At some stage, no doubt, ads will be part of the equation, perhaps as part of a lower tier sub (like Netflix / Amazon Prime Video).

That's the reason they want you to use their app. It also makes tech support a lot easier. Unfortunately, DEO is not the best player in terms of features, especially when it comes to fixing production flaws / color correction. Fixing color / camera distance / perspective is not something a Netflix user needs to deal with, nor does an Instagram user have to fix photos or a Spotify user need to repair audio. But VR is such a different and complex beast that the player is incredibly important. Every single scene ever made benefits from some kind of adjustment in the player, even if it's just to account for the user's IPD / height or headset color profile. That's why as much as SLR wants to follow the Netflix model, the more discerning user will not use the built-in player until it is so good that is makes Heresphere redundant.

xeddin1 This is exactly why I accused you of being one of them at the beginning of this thread, and I still think you are. What the heck is this bias? What are you talking about? Read again what I said, we’re in a dead end unless he does us a favor and willingly tells us.

I deserve to know what I’m subscribing for. I also want to keep my choice of whether to use the app or not, so here’s a new equation I gave in my latest post make it easier to understand:

Monthly subscription + No app only browser + Streaming = Same rewards mentioned here doublevr ?

vrpicasso Thank you for the detailed answer. I want to use the site to stream, and I believe it allows them to gather all the data they need to give us a better experience and control our feed through some algorithm, just like I can use the browser to stream netflix movies.

doublevr this seems reasonable. After doing lifetime sub I almost never download since there's only two or three studios I like and they don't seem to be going anywhere. I can't imagine needing more than 30-40 downloads a month. When the private drive goes online you should make an option to just move videos straight from the website into private drive without having to download and then upload again. I think it would help with those of us worried about the impermanent nature of content on this platform.

[deleted] maybe I’m getting old and senile but I don’t understand the meat of information you are trying obtain. I know I don’t understand the why, which is most important. Unless your “why” is simply that you are curious and want to know stuff. But with how passionate you are I doubt that’s the case

vrpicasso advertising

Oh shit! I see it now. Browsers can have adblockers, direct downloads can skip ads, but streaming via the proprietary app...fuckme, I dont even want to type it

SchnuppiLilac If these users are the problem, why not implement a plan that is more restrictive towards short-term subscribers only?

For example, Reality Lovers has the following model:
1 month: (4K) streaming only
3 months: 15 downloads per week
12 months: Unlimited downloads

Why not this? If this is the problem, then this looks like the answer.
SLR would probably make more money doing this.
1 if the people that sign up for one month and download everything are the problem. Then it stops them.
2 those people might still sign up but now will have to stay for a long time
3 people that have been here for years don't keep feeling like you keep going back on your word about not lowering the download limit

rerun119
Then you would have people complaining that they have to pay for an entire 12 months to download the stuff they want.
I'm not disagreeing btw, I think its a good idea.

But no matter what people are going to find something to complain about, and for every person you satisfy with the change you will gain that many more who have a problem with it.

xeddin1 But no matter what people are going to find something to complain about, and for every person you satisfy with the change you will gain that many more who have a problem with it.

I understand what you are trying to say but with what @SchnuppiLilac said it doesn't affect anybody that is here now.
It would only affect someone new signing up. That person would be under different legal rules because of the time they signed up.

I don't download 30 scenes a month but I really don't like them changing the rules after WE (me and slr) agreed on what I would get with a LIFETIME membership. I have watched it change more than once since I bought it. I want my script downloads to go back up to what I paid for.

How would SLR like it if I went to the bank 2 years later and said other people are requesting PT and SLR is making more of them than regular so I have decided to take back 30% of the money. I know we agreed on a price back then but some hoarding abusers of PT is ruining it for the rest of us.

rerun119
You bring up a good point there.
I think if SLR makes this change they should consider those with a lifetime agreement and some sort of compensation for what was promised.

xeddin1 Unfortunately that's not how this works. Benefits only get eroded and not the other way around.

The problem here for me is that every year we get one or more posts like this further limiting downloads and it's very obvious SLR wants to force people into streaming and DeoVR. I don't even really care about the actual suggested limitations (I won't hit them) but I very much care about this trend of SLR trying to dictate how it's consumers should consume their content and trying to steadily coerce the market into a streaming only reality.

Why is it so much to ask to just be able to consume porn the way you want on the player you want? I mean, SLR is my favorite site and they have a lot of content and a good player so you can almost overlook what you are giving up by just ignoring these gradual changes but just look at the VR Banges fiasco. They have a crap player and if we wouldn't have a download workaround we would be forced to use it.

That's my problem here. It's the trend / bigger picture what worries me not so much what is suggested in this post. We've heard it all before. This will be the last change, it won't change any further only to have another one of these posts half a year later. Also, it's not just the download limits, it's about making essential features streaming only, severely limiting scripts downloads for people with a scripts sub, closing down the API to competing players, etc.

The danger is that many people feel like: streaming is okay for me or I don't download that much anyways. But it's not about that, it's about companies limiting your rights gradually and lulling you a sleep with an adequate streaming experience and the convenience thereof. At some point though people will be rudely awoken when a decision is made that impacts them personally making them realize all the things they gave up in the process.

You want to reward loyalty?

Give lifetime members access to scenes that are no longer available as if we purchased them because there's so many scenes that we no longer have access to because we never purchased them since we already purchased the lifetime membership.

fenderwq Why is it so much to ask to just be able to consume porn the way you want on the player you want?

I am starting to think that all the gradual cuts and reductions and things being taken away from users that are happening everywhere are an indicator of how the overall VR porn industry is doing. I think we have entered now an era post peak VR porn. Q3 is on the market for 9 months, AVP turned out to be irrelevant for porn, no further game-changers on the horizon. VR porn didn't become the future of porn for everyone, there is no more growth to be expected, so all that companies can do now is to stop pleasing everyone and to compensate the lack of growth by cutting costs and losses.

SteveSteve I don't think SLR can do that. The creators own the rights to the content and they can pull their content off the SLR platform whenever they want.

fenderwq The problem here for me is that every year we get one or more posts like this further limiting downloads and it's very obvious SLR wants to force people into streaming and DeoVR. I don't even really care about the actual suggested limitations (I won't hit them) but I very much care about this trend of SLR trying to dictate how it's consumers should consume their content and trying to steadily coerce the market into a streaming only reality.

Why is it so much to ask to just be able to consume porn the way you want on the player you want? I mean, SLR is my favorite site and they have a lot of content and a good player so you can almost overlook what you are giving up by just ignoring these gradual changes but just look at the VR Banges fiasco. They have a crap player and if we wouldn't have a download workaround we would be forced to use it.

That's my problem here. It's the trend / bigger picture what worries me not so much what is suggested in this post. We've heard it all before. This will be the last change, it won't change any further only to have another one of these posts half a year later. Also, it's not just the download limits, it's about making essential features streaming only, severely limiting scripts downloads for people with a scripts sub, closing down the API to competing players, etc.

The danger is that many people feel like: streaming is okay for me or I don't download that much anyways. But it's not about that, it's about companies limiting your rights gradually and lulling you a sleep with an adequate streaming experience and the convenience thereof. At some point though people will be rudely awoken when a decision is made that impacts them personally making them realize all the things they gave up in the process.

Definitely what I find frustrating

When I first signed up to SLR I downloaded a lot of videos but since my unRAID server has filled up I haven't in a while, but when I add more drives it's gonna suck if there are tiny limits again since there's a backlog of files I want to keep

Just about any video can be removed from SLR with little to no warning, and as someone that's been on the internet quite a while, data conservation is necessary for things we like

I'll wait to see what the actual new limits are going to be for older users but any decrease is bad imo

SchnuppiLilac I don't know, VR definitely hasn't taken off in the way I would have expected it yet (I honestly don't get why people are still jerking it to porn hub) but I do believe VR as a whole has the potential to truly take off once hardware catches up enough to make VR experiences truly lifelike but also easily accessible (things like, displays, GPU power, comfort, ease of use, etc. but also game graphics and video resolution, etc.). When headsets with good FOV, monitor quality resolution, great ease of use and an accessible price point become readily available I just can't imagine it not taking off in huge ways. I mean, even simple things like planet earth in VR could become mind blowing experience once it truly looks like your standing there. VR tech just has a lot of technical hurdles to overcome to get it out of the niche and into the masses is my two cents.