rerun119 Yeah i don't know exactly what it is about the current setup, but it somehow feels like the camera is both too low on the girls body and also not where it should be in relation to our arms. Girls are usually short so it feels weird when i have to tilt my head back to see the girls face like she's a foot taller than me and yet somehow the penetration also looks like it's a foot or 2 too far away when i look down. And since the girls legs aren't pulled back at all the action is even harder to see and sometimes all you really see is shadows.
Deeper close-up missionary angles
phyuggene To be fair he mostly does really good work. the SLR productions are usually top notch, i just don't like this current camera angle he's using for close missionary and also their decision to skip doggy style and use prone bone as a replacement in some recent scenes was a bit of a head scratcher
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HughMungus He started ruining the wide mish shot now too, by sticking feet in front of the camera. I'm sure the foot fetishists love it... me, not so much.
phyuggene Yeah i'm not into feet myself, but even in VR i think it's hot when the girl puts her legs over our shoulders.
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Oh I know what you're talking about. I get distracted by their nostrils and nose hair because of that, and it feels like they're looking down at me. 
HughMungus I wish he would ( or any studio for that manner) let the girl put her legs on our shoulders or let the guy hold them when they are straight up in the air. If a girl ever does put her legs straight up because of a natural reaction for more than a second. You can tell that the director tells them they have to put them back down and spread again. I'm sure this is because some people say they need to see the action at all times, every second of the video. I dislike all the unnatural directing the girls have to follow. It makes the positions robotic. 8 minutes of the girl just laying there. IRL at least in my experience the girl doesn't just lay there and not move her legs around at least from time to time. I'd like it if she does put her feet up then down then up towards her head. Make it SEXLIKEREAL.
This is all just writing on a wall though because I don't think any directors read any of what we are saying.
rerun119 I agree completely. I don't really understand all the "Hands off" people that want the guy to just sit there and be as still as possible and never put their hands on the girls, that's not very real looking to me. My personal pet peeve with directors is when they tell the girls to cum, the girl will be banging in one position for 5 minutes without ever really looking like she's getting close and then you see her glance off camera for just a second and 10 seconds later she's having a screaming orgasm.....like yeah sure that was totally believable
HughMungus I totally agree. Maybe someone will start a site called LIKEREALSEX and it can be just that.
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I’ve always defended how closeup missionary is being shot these days, when it comes to not lining up the guy’s hands with the girl’s shoulders. I used to argue that it’s okay because it's technically impossible to make it realistic; like, if they tried, they’d have to cut the actor’s head off.
This is the first JAV scene I’ve watched in about 8 months, Rei Kamiki from SODCreate. The video quality is still way behind, but the story buildup and camera angles were perfect. The close-up mish was super so immersive because it was shot from a realistic angle, by looking down you can see the POV's nipples and his entire lower body thrusting. That scene, and I’m sure there are others, should be something Western studios take notes from. Looking forward to watching more of their scenes!
[deleted] That link didn't work for me, but i searched her name and i think i found the scene you're referring to.
That looks like a vastly superior angle for close-up missionary than what SLR typically uses. I don't know why SLR is obsessed with having the girls keep their legs in a starfish position almost flat on the bed for their close-up missionary segments when it just looks soooooo much better in VR when they pull their knees back towards their torso so we can really have a good view of everything.
I like that it was angled down a bit too because i am taller than most girls IRL so i kind of expect my head to be a bit higher up than hers in that position so it makes it feel more realistic and it makes it so i can see almost everything without needing to look way down to see the action and then way back up to see her face
[deleted] CzechVR has been doing it for a long time, but all the other Western studios are still clueless when it comes to close mish. I've tried to tell SLR several times before too but it always fell on deaf ears.
agree with what others have said about @alexnash close up missionary looks out of wack and your body doesnt match up with his
Wankzvr indeed also as others have mentioned seem to get it right with some their vids
guys check out this very immersive close up missionary around 40min:
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/grabby-with-gabbie-22759?t=684
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Sorry about the broken link, couldn’t go through the hassle of asking the mods to fix it. So here you go, posting samples from 4 sites latest releases for science. You can clearly see how perfect the angle is in that JAV scene, when you look down, the whole body is in the frame.
Again about SLR Nash’s approach of just having John stand there without even trying to get him on top of her, the only reason I defended it was because I thought it was the only way. Now that it’s been proven otherwise, I’m not on that side anymore..
Sodcreate (JAV) / SLR
WankzVR / CzechVR
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Hairsational True in a way; according to the example above, CzechVR is the closest to that JAV missionary. But they still cut the male’s body, so it’s not quite on par with it. SLR is definitely the worst when it comes to male body alignment, but they still have the best the camera placement. It’s exactly where it should be: just above her face, as close as possible for maximum detail and intimacy.
The other problem is that in regular mish Nash now puts a bunch a pillows under the girl. This looks wrong too. Lazy firming.
jojo321 I don't know how Wankz was so far ahead of the game with their missionary angle and somehow the other studios haven't been able to replicate that. Those scenes are 3+ years old and their missionary is pretty much perfect.
[deleted] Hard for me to pick a favorite there, but they all have a better view of the girl and a better body alignment for the guy than the SLR angle.
SLR's angle is good for eye contact though, so there's that.
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I love jav, czechvr's, Nash's and John Strong's closeup missionary angles.
To me the biggest difference is that the SLR camera placement is closer to the face which makes it feel very intimate (and I love that).
I think they capture different closeup missionary positions:
Jav/Czechvr (and other studios): guy is hovering on top
- easy to appreciate the performer's assets
- fantastic body alignment
Nash/John strong (SLR): guy is literally on top, full body contact, and ready to go in for a kiss at any moment.
- easy to appreciate facial expressions
- legendary eye contact
I personally would love to see both angles and get rid of regular/far-away missionary shots (in my opinion).
I can't pick one angle because it depend on the mood (see assets jiggle or get lost in the performers eyes) 
[deleted] Thanks for great the examples. Hopefully this illustrates to SLR how it can be done better.
I think SLR's position a bit too close for minutes at a time. In the JAV one the camera is further out and moves in closer temporarily for the super close up. That's how I'd like to see it done ideally.
MickyCheese Nash/John strong (SLR): guy is literally on top, full body contact, and ready to go in for a kiss at any moment.
Not exactly – the guy isn't on top, the camera is. When you look down you see that the guy is standing like 1.5m away at the edge of the bed and it breaks the immersion because your reference points (arms, chest, dong) don't align with reality.