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obilisk2450

vrguy69
Who said that anyone should go to NA? I never said that. I simply stated that I left NA after they switched to exclusively milfs. It wasn't always like that. Is that one of the reasons why NA is declining? Maybe, maybe not.

I'm actually surprised by how many people search for milfs. According to Pornhub, it's definitely more than I expected.

Could just be that those who only want girls in their teens/late twenties are simply a loud minority if you wanna play that game.

This would be disingenuous and a desperate attempt at a grasp, as the majority of viewed videos are women in their twenties. There's a separate category for milfs for a reason. If you look up any non-age related search term on Pornhub and filter by "most viewed" of "all time", the majority of the videos are women in their twenties. There's no separate category for "women in their twenties" because it's the overwhelming majority, so there's no need to search for it specifically. If you want redheads in their twenties, you just search "redhead". If you want redheads who are 30+, you search for "redhead milfs".

This thread really sums it up perfectly:

Yes, it's true what you say. This is because SLR is a studio with limited resources. If they had tons of directors and equipment for rendering videos, this topic of adding more milfs wouldn't be an issue. According to DoubleVR, it takes multiple days just to finish rendering a single HQ video. They're also short on directors. Adding more milfs would be a detriment to the already low upload count for the more popular videos of women in their twenties.

We already have people complaining about PT vs non-PT videos. If the upload count of non-PT videos stayed constant after the advent of PT videos, I'm sure no one here would be complaining about PT videos crowding out the site. Adding extra diversity like milfs only add fuel to this fire.

OliverDK

obilisk2450 Who said that anyone should go to NA? I never said that. I simply stated that I left NA after they switched to exclusively milfs. It wasn't always like that. Is that one of the reasons why NA is declining? Maybe, maybe not.

Sorry but what? NA's whole brand was primary build on milfs/matures. It was what made them into the powerhouse they became in online porn and many studios copying them because they realized milfs/matures were in high demand.

When NA then started shooting VR their focus was milfs/matures with regular younger model pornstars sprinkle in at times. However that wasn't enough for some and such some people were very vocal about wanting more younger models in NA's VR scenes. That voice was particularly loud on OculusNSFW which NA were very active at at that time eith their representative Scott.

For a long time after NAVR was a 'batch of milfs/matures' scenes releases that then caused fans of younger models to vommit complains endlessly about 'too many milfs/matures' and they joined for younger models and then it was a 'batch of younger models' and milf fans would kindly ask if NA had forgottent heir roots - milfs/matures.

That continued for a few years but over time it seemed like the regular pornstars won over milfs/matures for whatever reason. As such the time between milfs/matures scenes became longer and longer till the point where NA is where it is today with releases that vastly focus on just regular pornstars.

For whatever reasons it's been going downhill for NA for years. The reason for that could be many but it obviously has nothing to do with them being a milfs/mature site. That ship sailed long ago. They are primarily a regular pornstar site these days.

obilisk2450

OliverDK
False. They've had plenty of threesomes with many women in their twenties in 2020/2021, and I still have some of their videos stored in my external HDD. If their brand was only milfs (with very little variety) at the time, there's no way I would've subscribed to them.

OliverDK

tmynx I think something to realize too is that MILF doesn't always mean old (at least to me). Sometimes it's more of a look than an age. I've seen some pornstars that are in their mid to late 20s that have a MILF look, so I think it's more that in some ways. I personally really like women who have an exotic/piercing look to them.

True about 'milfs' as the acronym has been watered down over the years.

In any case I still remember the discussions NA's representative Scott participated in years ago on Reddit that unironically is almost a copy of the same discussion we have in this thread. Anyway he said he back then he was unsure if the people asking for younger models weren't just a loud mouthed minority. He also stated he wondered if they really knew what the NA brand was all about - which was milfs/matures at that time.

Obviously they have changed tune since back then as milfs/matures is on the back-burner these days but why? It could be a lack of demand issue of course.

Personally though I believe the decline in milfs/matures in mainstream porn has nothing to do with a lack of demand. No I believe as stated earlier what a 'claimed' representative in the industry stated - high quality milfs/matures simply get locked into exclusive contracts or they are too expensive because they found find better paying pastures that didn't exist when sites like NA came to prominents - Onlyfans, ManyVids, livestream, etc. That simply results in a market were milfs/matures are getting harder and harder to hire which VirtualTaboo stated some years ago.

I fully admit I could be wrong but given milfs/matures dominate search results and watch list free porn sites release yearly I just find it rather hard to believe VR porn is somehow different in demand.

Silly-Sausage

Most sucessful premium VR websites are based on teens and younger models and built their success from this, if milfs and older models were so in demand as appears to be the case with all the vapid feedback in this thread, then why don't these high end premium sites create a milf only website to cater to their needs, but instead they try hijacking sites that built their foundation around teens etc and try to tell them what works for them.

As usual it's the diversity mob that want to hijack the success of a company and infect it with their insipid ideals instead of being creative and launching their own company to cater to their tastes.

SLR has a good balance as it's not a 'dedicated site' at the end of the day they only have control of SLR originals and if that goes out of balance then we complain simple as that.

Hey, just an opinion - Teens rule lol

vrguy69

Silly-Sausage en why don't these high end premium sites create a milf only website to cater to their needs, but instead they try hijacking sites that built their foundation around teens etc and try to tell them what works for them.

this was already addressed earlier in this thread. it's an issue of funding. Milfs tend to be bigger names. Also debatable whether or not SLR is a teen centric site, and even if it was, times change and they have more users to cater to now.

Silly-Sausage As usual it's the diversity mob that want to hijack the sucess of a company and infect it with their insipid ideals instead of being creative and launching their own company to cater to their tastes.

"Variety is bad" is just a weird take. Also, "if you don't like it, launch your own company" is just a flat out ridiculous thing to say.

Again, I'm all for variety when it comes to casting even if I don't like it, but some of you aren't arguing in good faith.

OliverDK

obilisk2450 False. They've had plenty of threesomes with many women in their twenties in 2020/2021, and I still have some of their videos stored in my external HDD. If their brand was only milfs (with very little variety) at the time, there's no way I would've subscribed to them.

I didn't say the didn't never had regular pornstars. I stated NA's brand was primarily build on milfs/matures (not solely) and that milfs/matures was what primarily (not solely) brought them to prominence back in the early 2010s. When they entered VR back in 2016 their focus was on milfs/matures sprinkled with regular younger pornstars scenes.

That focus caused a uproar on Reddit and seceral commets not unlike the following; Where's the younger models - too many old hags! - which literally made NA's representative Scott (back then) state: 'it's like people don't know NA's focus has always been heavily on milfs/matures' - I'm paraphrasing as I can't remember the quote word for word.

Over the years NA changed focus on a broader mix in VR till where it is today, where milfs/matures are more rare and instead the majority of the scenes are literally regular cookie cut pornstars which is not the focus NA used to have.

It's fine of course. That's their provocative to change as they see fit.

phyuggene

These days milfs are all but guaranteed to have fake, balloon shaped tits 😑

Wendigo

phyuggene These days milfs are all but guaranteed to have fake, balloon shaped tits

This, exactly. Perhaps the problem is with what "MILF" has evolved into. Like the above poster said, the thing that comes to my mind when someone says "MILF" is an aging pornstar, who having seen her booking decline, gets a pair of humungous bolt-ons, lip injections, butt injections, adds too much make-up, and then goes to NA to produce overly porn-y, old-school flat porn in flowy lingerie and 6 inch heels. It really reeks of desperation.

I'd be fine with healthier, mature older women (Lauren Phillips, Penny Barber, Aiden Ashley, Krissy Lynn, etc) rather than washed up models who augment their bodies and go over the top for a last grasp at a payday - which is what we get a lot of the time.

FWIW, I think it is the shitty quality, low number of releases, non-existent support, and over the top cheesy porn aesthetic that sunk NAVR, not the MILF/Teen debate. NAVR is a perfect example of thinking VR is just flat porn shot with a different camera.

obilisk2450

My apologies, my archive of personal favorites from NAVR dates back to 2019, not 2020.
Here's a list including(but not limited to) actresses below the age of 30 featured in NaughtyAmericaVR during 2019:

Emily Willis
Nia Nacci
Isabella Nice
Ariana Marie
Blair Williams
Baily Brooke
Brooklyn Gray
Sophia Lux
Khloe Kapri
Ashley Lane
Scarlett Mae
Dolly leigh
Lena Anderson
Kenzie Madison
Alex Coal
Jewelz Blu
Adira Allure
Sofi Ryan
Audrey Miles
Hime Marie
Liv Wild
Ginna Dior
Megan Holly
Kira Noir

This 2019 list is far from exhaustive and that's just 2019 alone.
They had plenty of non-milfs during their early days.

obilisk2450

OliverDK Hmm... I don't have any content from NAVR from 2016, so I can't confirm. But perhaps they did focus on milfs in 2016. Either way, I still thought they were amazing back in 2019-2021. They were my favorite studio until the switch happened. I'd argue that they weren't focused on milfs at all during that time. But rather, they had a pretty good variety of women from all age ranges.

OliverDK

obilisk2450 Yes, as I said in an earlier post; there was intense posts/discussions/arguments about NAVR on Reddit because NA had a tendency to release in 'batches' - meaning for a period (months) all scenes was milfs/matures and then they switched to all scenes was regular pornstars. They should have mixed them more because the milf/mature 'batch' always caused an uproar from the people on Reddit that preferred younger models. I wouldn't be surprised that what you perceived as a shift in focus to milfs, was just a prolonged 'batch' of milfs.

In any case if you dig younger models and you can accept Kyle Mason and Dan Damage as the male talent, NAVR might be more to your liking in it's current form as milfs/matures are far less prominent, while younger pornstars are more in focus.

obilisk2450

OliverDK
Wow, this is certainly news to me. I'll take another look at NAVR then. It wouldn't surprise me if I quit right before the regular batches and left with a false impression. Thanks for the clarification!

rerun119

fenderwq I agree that a guy in his 40's can say ok for this time only about teens.
The problem is that I can only think of one scene where "me, the cock behind the camera" is having sex with a milf that IS NOT my stepmom or something close to that.
I just want a couple scenes with a mature woman in her 30's or 40's that is NOT fake looking and is NOT my stepmom.
We cannot all be in are 20's watching VR. I'm a 40 something guy pretending to be a stepson for more times than I can count.

fenderwq

rerun119 there don't seem to be a lot of those story lines on SLR I'll give you that.

Wendigo

tmynx seems to think that the type of ladies on offer at SLR isn't what it used to be. I don't see that at all

Perhaps you missed the Alex Mack run, when we had a different bolt-on, lip injected, tatted up creation every week.
Since I clearly qualified that I would be fine with healthy, natural, mature MILFs and you further agreed with disliking the type I just described above, I don't why we are debating or why you are calling me the vocal minority.

Oh, and for the 1000000000000th time on these forums, I have an Oculus Pro and a Q3. I've tried PT a LOT, since SLR has given over half the new releases to it. Every time I hope it gets better, and every time it sucks just as bad. People make the same repetitive comments on those videos over and over regarding what could be improved, and it never does. I've given up on trying to like it, and am currently of the opinion that SLR likes it because it is cheaper to film and they get cheap models most of the time. The one PT I thought was good was the one with Venus Vixen. Because there are so many points of potential mismatch between the model and the PT environment, PT is VERY hit or miss when it comes to believable quality or immersion, and it misses most of the time. That's why replacing the whole visual field in normal VR tricks the visual system much easier.

I fail to understand why people think you haven't tried PT or don't own a good headset when you say that you don't like it.

OliverDK

Wendigo I've tried PT a LOT, since SLR has given over half the new releases to it. Every time I hope it gets better, and every time it sucks just as bad. People make the same repetitive comments on those videos over and over regarding what could be improved, and it never does. I've given up on trying to like it, and am currently of the opinion that SLR likes it because it is cheaper to film and they get cheap models most of the time.

I can't speak to the mind of SLR but were you around in the old VR days? That time we had belly button cameras, moaning men, dead limps actors, scale that was way off, no eye contact, looking at directors, no close-ups, bend neck syndrome and I could go on.

Listen I'm no fan of AR porn in it's current form. It has potential imo but the fact remains tgat the high quality VR scenes we have today came about as a consequence of a hardcore group of dedicated fans that offered constructive criticism and suggestions for years on the subreddit OculusNSFW when most studios were actually active there besides just advertising their scenes.

It took the better part of 2-3 years to get it all dialed it. AR porn is likely no different. I'm sure that there are dedicated fans that'll help get it better but I have no illusions that it will be great before all issues gets dialed in, ideas get implemented, etc.

And if the journey we had with VR is anything to go by that will undoubtful take time. Then there's a fair argument to be had if it's reasonable people should pay for that if they initially just signed up for VR.

rerun119

Wendigo I also find it very presumptuous that if you don't like PT then you must has not been able to see it.
I had a Pimax 8kx (hands down way better than Quest 3, the FOV is unmatchable) before it broke. I couldn't watch PT so it was a complete waste of scenes for me. After the Pimax broke I got the old Quest 2 out and was excited to try PT because of some people saying how great it is. Then I bought a Quest 3 ( waiting on Pimax 12kx, fingers crossed that it does come out)

My conclusion is that it is ok, I don't love it like a really good Nash scene.
Since so many people make assumptions about PT, I'm going to assume that people that like it so much are young guys that haven't really had very many girls walk into their bedroom IRL. If you haven't had sex or a lot of sex in your own bed then PT might really be amazing to you. I'm no sex god but watching the same thing over and over in my bedroom get pretty boring really quick.

obilisk2450

Personally thought Jessie Rogers from the "Cummitted To The Grind" scene was excellent.
No tattoos, no plastic, no injections. Other than her fake boobs(which aren't egregious), she's great!
Not sure if she's old enough for those looking for milfs though.

InfiniteFun

...wait, we're not supposed to be role-playing? i'm always pretending to be some fit young thing's stepdad, their music teacher, random plumber, etc. It's great fun!

Anyway, i signed up to SLR because of the scripts. Streaming, scripted VR sex is my goddess, so i'm all for as much variety as possible. I'll skip from the USA to Europe to Japan, experienced older ladies, cute young succubi, vanilla, BDSM, CGI, indoor, outdoor, wtvr, variety is the spice of life.

What's important for me really is just a good show. Some real enthusiasm. Some actual engagement with the scene. The scene has to draw me in, i wanna feel like i'm actually there. For that, you need good direction. SLR needs to get another excellent director or two on the books, ramp up production, take the strain off poor Alex. With more artistic helmsmen, they'll draw more talent, have more variety, tell more interesting stories, the rest will follow. i understand it's difficult to find good VR directors, so yeah, it's a bit of a quest, but there you go, that's the answer.

Obviously SLR has a brand to think of, and a lot of people like cute young things, so there's always gonna be a lot of that. All good, i love fucking cute young talent, and SLR has to survive. However, SLR has the size to branch out a little, and try to encompass some slightly niche things, occasionally, even if it's only 'MILF' (lol at the idea that a 31-year-old is 'MILF', i think i'm getting old...) or something fairly safe (a bit of latex occasionally, for example). It doesn't always have to be midget clown porn to be exciting!

But yeah, sort out an extra director or two first, the rest will follow...

phyuggene

OliverDK That time we had belly button cameras

VR Bangers still got it

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