Data insights

fenderwq

trooowiii no the handy is great whit passthrough. Makes it even more immersive if you have a good setup

phyuggene

OliverDK I have no idea if AR porn will continue to increase in growth or it will fade out but I'm actually personal quite surprised 1/3 of users are AR users. That's higher than I expected given the number of headsets capable of AR and the still limited numbers of scenes.

The chart presented says "number of users who use passthrough vs those who don't" so it's entirely possible that the PT group includes people who only clicked on a single PT video and watched like 30 seconds.

OliverDK

phyuggene Could be but what imo speaks to AR scenes popularity is the number of views on each individual old/new AR scenes. If AR scenes weren't popular, had a large opposition or the novelty starts to wear off I would expect a rather rapid decline in number of views each new scene would accumulate contra older AR scenes. I don't see that at all. So AR scenes seems have a fairly high retention rate.

Just to be clear- I'm no AR fan boy. I think the idea is interesting but needs improving.

vrguy69

trooowiii I don't personally hate PT, I just prefer VR. I think it retains about the same sense of immersion for me but adds a more escapist element and variety. There are also certain aspects like changing positions that I find to be more cumbersome in PT. There are other little things I wonder about such as how the set up of a PT shoot might affect the performances, but these are just my personal opinions. To me, VR just feels more premium, but that doesn't mean I don't think PT should exist.

vrguy69

doublevr Thanks for sharing. I'd expect Q3 to have a larger share on Deo due to its PT capabilities, but is there any data as far as all SLR users and which headsets they're using?

phyuggene

vrguy69 doublevr Thanks for sharing. I'd expect Q3 to have a larger share on Deo due to its PT capabilities, but is there any data as far as all SLR users and which headsets they're using?

I think the SLR data would be virtually the same as the Deo data because of the amount of overlap.

vrguy69

phyuggene That could be true but if it were wouldn't that mean that more SLR users are using Quest Pro and Quest 3 vs. Quest 2 currently or am I interpreting that graph wrong? I would assume Q2 still has a lead over both but I can't say for certain, especially as it pertains to Q3. @SchnuppiLilac raises a good point though. There's no way Quest Pro could've spiked that much at that time. Whether or not that has some impact on the Q3 numbers I'm not sure. Seems to me DeoVR would be a limiting factor too and my assumption would be that's some mix of SLR integrated streaming and PT, but I have no clue what percentage of SLR users exclusively use Deo.

SchnuppiLilac

doublevr I'd say the large share of Quest Pro popularity in quarter 4/2023 can't be right. It suddenly spiked when Quest 3 was released, so it's probably Quest 3. Maybe DeoVR recognised Quest 3 as being Quest Pro at first.

doublevr

SchnuppiLilac Quest 3 was tracked incorrectly as Quest Pro before got fixed

doublevr

vrguy69 what percentage of SLR users exclusively use Deo

Vast majority

vrguy69

trooowiii I'm currently still using Quest 2, which undoubtedly hinders the PT experience, but I haven't quite convinced myself to take the leap to Q3 due to the pricing mainly. some early review defects also scared me but I get that comes with the territory sometimes with new tech.

vrguy69

doublevr Sorry, but is this a hunch or do we actually have stats for this? Am I to assume from this that most SLR users are currently using a Q3? Wouldn't that be the correct conclusion from the graph plus the "vast majority" using Deo or am I missing something here? I mean, the last survey I saw on steam from February had Q2 users at 39.2% and Q3 at 14.5% from a hardware survey.

SchnuppiLilac

vrguy69 I guess you could conclude that from the scene download stats. If a user is only streaming and not downloading, they couldn't have used any other player than Deo. So if the vast majority is only streaming, then you could make this conclusion.

On the other hand, for downloaded files, SLR has no way of knowing whether these videos are played exclusively with Deo or if other players are being used.

SchnuppiLilac

Another point: It is not stated how popularity is being measured but I would assume it is related to the number of devices detected. Therefore, it seems a bit odd that the popularity of Q2 was hardly affected by the release of Q3, and on top of that the total number of devices seems to have increased instantly by a lot after Q3 was available. Is this some mistake or how can this sudden increase in device numbers (or whatever the area under the curve represents) be explained?

phyuggene

SchnuppiLilac The metric was slowly decreasing over the 1st half of 2023 too. DeoVR losing users to other apps maybe?

SchnuppiLilac

phyuggene Difficult to say as long as there are no further details on the data and how they were collected. Not even sure if it the data are only for DeoVR.com or if SLR is included. There also seems to be a 50% drop in Oculus Rift popularity after the first half but what does it mean? Did the way of collecting data change? Were there only two devices tracked before and one of the guys found a new hobby in July?

vrpicasso

You guys wondering why SLR is putting out so much PT content, it's because while a good % of paying VR porn consumers might sub to SLR, literally 100% of PT fans will sub. They have created a new category and until other studios catch up they will capture that entire market. Absolutely makes sense to take the ball and run with it, so long as they keep gaining more PT fans than they lose PT haters. It's extremely hard to create a unique selling point in porn but with PT + scripts, and the AI offshoots of those, SLR has two.

petermc

SchnuppiLilac I don’t think these are just SLRO figures are they? I assume he is talking site usage as a whole. 2/3 views are non PT but the vast, vast majority of content is non-PT so that would be expected. It’s pretty amazing that PT is as high as it is based on the sheer volume of VR vs AR content.

Not good news for me, if this is accurate, as I have zero interest in PT.

SchnuppiLilac

petermc It doesn't become really clear from the first diagram what has been measured. It says 'number of users' and the form of the curve looks like it is based on weekly data points. But when do you become a PT user? Does peeking into one of the SLR AR videos for 30 sec with PT switched off already make you a PT user for that week?

I am excited to see the future development now that the number of videos with AI PT is growing day by day. Since the AI PT mask is not embedded in the video, it will likely be possible to measure views and view time of regular VR scenes with AI PT on or off.

Speaking only for myself, I think AI PT is the real game changer. For anyone open to the PT concept as whole, there is so much to re-explore now. And if a scene doesn't work, just skip to the next one. For me this is much more exciting than the one or two weekly AR scenes and I already started spending a significant share of my daily VR porn time checking out the new AI PT relases.

Wendigo

SchnuppiLilac Looking at the recent SLRO scenes, Training Day has significantly more views than the Agatha or Briana VR scenes around it. How does this fit into 2/3 not using PT?

Maybe users are watching something other than the last few videos?

Wendigo

OliverDK Not if it's a growing trend. Then it makes sense to focus on it to capitalize on a expected growing audience.

Unless it's just churn - new PT users replacing VR users who are frustrated with the lack of quality and release schedule. IN that case, it could be fatal when the novelty wears off.

OliverDK

Wendigo Unless it's just churn - new PT users replacing VR users who are frustrated with the lack of quality and release schedule. IN that case, it could be fatal when the novelty wears off.

Could fail spectacularly but I don't know. As mentioned earlier I look at the views new AR scenes accumulate and they seem to retain high views that increase fairly rapidly. I wouldn't expect that if AR was just a phase. I would expect the views to decline with each new scene as people lost interest and currently that doesn't seem to be the case but the world could be much different a year from now.

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