SLR Originals reset plan - Nov '23

petermc

Timbama Very much in disagreement with this. Dirty talk is a huge part of porn for me, especially in VR when there’s not much else going on. I agree that girls just saying “oh my god”, “oh fuck”, “right there” over and over is boring and irritating.

I do want dirtier stuff though “fuck me” “fuck me harder” “fuck me like a whore” “treat me like the dirty slut I am”. I like when girls talk shit to me too, call me a dirty pervert, a sick fuck or whatever. If there’s two girls, I like them shit talking each other “suck his cock you filthy whore”, that type of stuff. Taboo roleplay dirty talk is great too.

The last thing I want to see is a girl who hardly opens her mouth and just fake moans through the scene or does nothing at all. It’s adult entertainment, I want a performance and to be entertained not just watch people have boring sex.

fenderwq

petermc dirty talk can be great and I don't think timbama means he doesn't like that. It's the mindless shit and the overacting. Dirty talk can be super sexy when it comes from a believable place with good timing. Not so much if it is just mechanically thrown around and you get that standard porn talk non stop.

Wendigo

petermc I do want dirtier stuff though “fuck me” “fuck me harder” “fuck me like a whore” “treat me like the dirty slut I am”. I like when girls talk shit to me too, call me a dirty pervert, a sick fuck or whatever. If there’s two girls, I like them shit talking each other “suck his cock you filthy whore”, that type of stuff. Taboo roleplay dirty talk is great too.

This can sometimes be interesting, but frankly it sounds like a humiliation/degradation kink. Which is fine, but it shouldn't be the norm.

petermc I want a performance and to be entertained not just watch people have boring sex.

Sometimes it seems that you want to just port gonzo non-POV flat porn to VR. Which, again, is fine if that is what floats your boat, but I think it is a waste of the immersive experience that VR can offer.

It seems like we need 3 divisions: SLR Passthrough, SLR TrueVR, and SLR Voyeur (non-POV). 🤷‍♂️ 1 or 2 releases a week for each division, everyone wins.

SchnuppiLilac

doublevr Plus more laying position

While I agree that for PT vids it's rather disruptive to have the exact same constant cut and position change choreography as in VR, it would be a pity if this means that there will be less non-laying positions. Although laying positions work well, I usually prefer watching in a sitting position which works okay with laying positions in VR but not so well in PT. Moreover, I really like standing positions in PT (provided that the positioning is done right and will match with my own body). And the standing intro of 'On the Double' might have been my favorite and most immersive moment in PT so far.

theHobbit

SchnuppiLilac Sophie Reyez ❤️ licks lips

datlurker

Timbama huge agree with this

theHobbit

vrguy69 lol so if I don't feel like I'm getting my money's worth I should just stay anyway? Something smells like shill...

You folk make no sense. Nobody said that. You said that people will leave blah blah. I said which sites. You said blah blah. I said it'll cost around $75 lol. You then proceeded to cry to doubleVR that I am trolling you. and implied that SLR should do something about it. Honestly haha.

Also you need to cross CzechVr of your list. 😂😂

Hairsational Yeah except when they cast "young girls that have small boobs and no asses" 🤡

I don't mind this, I just don't think that this should be the norm like some of you enjoy - I am a proponent of diverse body types and looks. Nowhere has SLR said that 'small boobs and no asses' is their strategy going forward.

Also you seem to think I don't enjoy these girls. I do. I mean recently I watched Sophie Reyez in PT and she was great and so yummy. I especially enjoyed that she was in PT. It satisfied me no end that there were some complaining people who dislike PT and didn't or wouldn't enjoy the gorgeous sexy Sophie the way I did. I think I came a bit harder than normal with that thought in mind hahaha 😃

vrguy69

theHobbit You folk make no sense. Nobody said that. You said that people will leave blah blah. I said which sites. You said blah blah. I said it'll cost around $75 lol. You then proceeded to cry to doubleVR that I am trolling you. and implied that SLR should do something about it. Honestly haha.

theHobbit This is unlike some others like yourself who entertain the notion of SLR users 'flocking to other sites' simply on whimsical pretexts that you disagree with some of the strategic direction being employed by this site.

Are you really this dense? Do you have no idea what implications are? I wouldn't be surprised honestly. AGAIN, When customers don't like something they leave. The fact that you can't grasp that is honestly impressively dumb.

Imagine if I just joined ONE of the sites I listed... Or joined a couple at a discounted rate. Wow there goes your $75 theory, huh? Wanna know why that was so easy? B/c your point was half-baked and myopic as usual.

What "whimsical pretext" are you talking about? You just throw words out there that are probably impressive to people like you but can't make a good, relevant point to save your life. It's just logical fallacy after logical fallacy. I could literally make an entire thread of just nonsensical things/conspiracy theories from you at this point. This is literally a post about SLR's future plans. No pretext needed.

There's a reason why MULTIPLE people think you're just a troll. Just b/c you take a break from it every once in a while makes you no less of a troll.... haha.

What I'm saying makes sense you just lack the ability to understand...or stay on topic at all for that matter. Learn to address the actual point or sod off.

datlurker

Wendigo Wendigo agreed, the selling point of VR Porn is immersion, I’m not exactly immersed when the acting feels really forced and not based in reality, there’s a place for it and I’m not saying it shouldn’t exist, more or less it shouldn’t be the priority with the over saturation that already exists.

Wendigo gets it, PT + immersion is a big win.
Hell, a GFE JAV Style PT scene would do amazing numbers if approached the right way, little nuanced storylines also help with immersion as well

petermc

Wendigo Sometimes it seems that you want to just port gonzo non-POV flat porn to VR. Which, again, is fine if that is what floats your boat, but I think it is a waste of the immersive experience that VR can offer.

Not true, POV is an absolute must for me and lots of story based flat porn has plenty of performance and dirty talk within the sex scene.

You’re right though that I’m looking for VR porn to be more pornographic, to see more scenes where people fuck like pornstars. I want to be transported into the porn scenes that I watched in flat porn were I’m now the one fucking the pornstars. Porn is not about realistic depictions of sex, it never has been, it’s a fantasy, it’s entertainment. It’s not about degradation kink either, just about saying hot filthy things that turn you both on. You can still be intimate and filthy at the same time. Only the most intimate couples can engage in kinky stuff like that. Watching endless boring “realistic” scenes is not my idea of pornography. Not to break it to you but normal people don’t have sex for an hour and do all the positions, most girls aren’t going to blow you every time either. None of it is realistic.

I get that some people want the girlfriend experience. They want the girl to say “I love you” and whisper sweet nothings in their ear and not do anything too kinky. There’s absolutely a place for that but I don’t want it to be every scene or even the majority of scenes, just part of the mix.

theHobbit

Nash is the least popular director based on averaging likes for the last 22 scenes. Simense are killing it.

g2kbuffetboy

theHobbit Nash is the least popular director based on averaging likes for the last 22 scenes. Simense are killing it.

A valid point and a good exercise. Simsense is 100% killing it. Even though I am not a fan of PT, it is undeniable Simsense and SLR has done wonders with PT, and I'm positive they will improve it even more with Nash. It is also undeniable that PT is firing on all cylinders right now and it's what everyone is curious about. Meta seriously owes SLR a quarter of their Quest 3 sales to them lol. It's the reason why I bought a Quest 3 anyways, because I wanted to try PT out.

But a counter metric to your data. Here are the average likes from each director, of their last 20 SLR scenes. (And I did not include the Render-Pleasure scenes for Simsense as they were very low, and repeat scenes).

Based off this, Nash does have more likes, though only by a narrow margin. It is surely a testament to Simsense to be pulling these numbers, no doubt.

Anyways, overall, I have mentioned previously that "likes" are only part of the story, but since that is the only forward-facing metric we can use, it's the only one that we can really compare at this point. So, personally, I take this with a grain of salt.

SchnuppiLilac

gogofbob Please fix DeoVR so that its zoom function is on par with HereSphere. This is the only way to correctly fix height issues when the male talent in a PT scene is either shorter or taller. Currently in DeoVR, you have to fiddle with multiple settings just to fix the perspective and it's annoying. HereSphere corrects automatically. With PT this is especially apparent as having to zoom out, the girl looks like she's tiny without correcting horizontal perspective.

Can you please explain a bit further how you make it work in HS that you can zoom out without the girl looking smaller? How can I activate the automatic correction that you mentioned?

Wendigo

petermc I totally respect your preferences.

petermc Watching endless boring “realistic” scenes is not my idea of pornography. Not to break it to you but normal people don’t have sex for an hour and do all the positions, most girls aren’t going to blow you every time either. None of it is realistic.

My point is that your preference from traditional pornography is still a preference for a particular type of fantasy. GFE VR, intimate VR, etc is a different type of fantasy made possible by the medium that ISN"T really possible in flat porn. We need to nurture it, not complain that it "isn't pornography", or that it isn't the "future". And we certainly don't need to indulge those few choice members who derogate it by saying that those who enjoy it must be sexless nerds or not real men.

This type of porn is only possible in VR. To stop making it is to ignore the medium.

Wendigo

g2kbuffetboy Not to mention that all of this is just nonsense from a data science POV. If you really wanted to compare preferences, you'd need to release a Nash vid and a PT vid of the same actress on the same day and see which format people prefer to experience that performer in. Even that may be suspect, as a lot of new subs have signed on for the PT, and old subs may have left due to the decline in regular VR quality. In that case, all you are really proving is that you've changed the fanbase, which is fine if its bigger, otherwise it's just zero-sum churn. Not to mention that Simsense is going to get a lot of likes simply because most of the newer and in-demand stars get shot in PT first.

vrguy69 There's a reason why MULTIPLE people think you're just a troll. Just b/c you take a break from it every once in a while makes you no less of a troll.... haha.

My biggest issue here is that he doesn't seem capable of disagreeing respectfully and politely. It's a matter of being civil.

Again, though: stop feeding him. He wants attention, and you're giving it to him constantly. Stop playing the game.

theHobbit

vrguy69 Imagine if I just joined ONE of the sites I listed... Or joined a couple at a discounted rate. Wow there goes your $75 theory, huh? Wanna know why that was so easy? B/c your point was half-baked and myopic as usual.

Which one are you going to join Badoink - the one with grainy videos or NA - the one with blurry videos?

vrguy69 whimsical pretext

This means that your comment.....

vrguy69 The main customer base is still VR users, and if a sizable group of VR users don't like the direction SLR is going, they will flock to competitors who focus on VR. Simple as that.

....was pulled out of your backside, with no empirical data supporting your statement. I just reduced your comment to two words 'whimsical pretext' as I am clever like that 😃

Wendigo My biggest issue here is that he doesn't seem capable of disagreeing respectfully and politely. It's a matter of being civil.

Again, though: stop feeding him. He wants attention, and you're giving it to him constantly. Stop playing the game.

Awww it's nice to see you all together in your little support group - therapy is good and you can all share your experiences about ME in a safe setting hahahahahah. I hope you get biscuits and tea afterwards

vrguy69

jommy Keep in mind SLR is an aggregator site, i'm sure a ton of people pay for it because of that

True, and I like them for that, but there are still plenty of exclusively VR studios who are not or are no longer on SLR. They are not impervious to losing business. I don't want them to lose business, I'm merely stating that it could potentially happen if customers are not satisfied with their VR output. And I'm really not sold that AR fans are gonna fill that gap. It's all speculation at this point but that's what this thread is for.

theHobbit

g2kbuffetboy this is great, well done for putting this together. I was looking at the landing page as this one makes more sense to me. Is scenes 1 to 20 in chronological order, as I am going to do some line charts?

LordCrash

Everything sounds good except no 3. Nash has actually enough work to do with creating VR content. His recent VRSpy scenes are some of the best fucking VR scenes of the past few months or even years. Way better than most other VR content on SLR, including his own work. That's what I expect from SLR on a constant basis. Taking even a few hours of his precious time away for inferior and limited AR stuff is a travesty.

vrguy69

Wendigo My biggest issue here is that he doesn't seem capable of disagreeing respectfully and politely. It's a matter of being civil.

Again, though: stop feeding him. He wants attention, and you're giving it to him constantly. Stop playing the game.

I agree, he's a condescending little bully. Ignoring bullies is one sensible course of action. Mocking them is another. His tiny pea brain doesn't scare me and I rather enjoy watching him cope. SLR team can look the other way but I don't have to. In the end, every bully has his day.

petermc

Wendigo GFE VR, intimate VR, etc is a different type of fantasy made possible by the medium that ISN"T really possible in flat porn. We need to nurture it, not complain that it "isn't pornography", or that it isn't the "future". And we certainly don't need to indulge those few choice members who derogate it by saying that those who enjoy it must be sexless nerds or not real men.

This type of porn is only possible in VR. To stop making it is to ignore the medium.

We seem to be drifting away from the topic of dirty talk in scenes. I’m not sure what you mean when you say GFE porn is not possible in flat porn, it absolutely is. You don’t have the closeness and eye contact but you can still do vanilla porn with no dirty talk.

I’m also not suggesting anyone stop making anything. I was responding to someone else asking for them to stop including dirty talk in scenes by saying that I disagree with that suggestion.

Like I said, GFE porn, where people make love and whisper sweet nothings to each other, absolutely has its place. I don’t want to deny people that and I sometimes enjoy it myself. It should be part of a larger variety of content though rather than the sole aim of VR porn as some seem to want. You can still be intimate without being vanilla. You can also explore your filthier fantasies with amazingly beautiful women in porn which you don’t get to do in real life, that’s part of porn too. It’s not all about trying to recreate a real life encounter with a nice girl, though it can be that. It’s also about having crazy sex with sex crazed nymphos too and everything in between. VR porn can do all of it, let’s not pigeonhole it into one particular type of scene.

g2kbuffetboy

theHobbit Is scenes 1 to 20 in chronological order, as I am going to do some line charts?

Yes, sorted by "Newest" x each director. It's not a perfect science as @Wendigo mentions, as there are many reasons for "likes" (models, passthrough vs standard, timing, scripts, etc) and of course other metrics we do not see. But yeah, that is how I got the numbers up above.

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