Swallowbay - The content producer requests us to deactivate

doublevr

vrpicasso Unless it's 2017, launching any new paysite in VR it's nowhere good idea.

Source: first hand knowledge of paysites sales numbers.

You simply can't compete with SLR and current content propostion is oversaturated.

petermc

jommy I think it’s easier in standard porn where you just need a mobile phone with a camera and you’re ready to go. You’ve also got a much larger (almost infinite) number of people that can access your content.

I think in VR, there’s probably a significant outlay to get all the correct equipment and then a period of learning how to use it to get decent results on scaling, distances etc. Then you have to pay the talent as you probably aren’t going to get too much content trade on VR scenes as the girl can’t just put it on her Onlyfans page. There’s also a very limited number of VR porn users.

I think, unless you’re independently wealthy or backed by a third party (like how xhamster back Virtualtaboo and Darkroom), most feel they have to use a SLR type site to generate returns from their scenes, at least early on. It’s then a question of whether they can entice people to want to pay a separate subscription for their content alone. Why would people do that though when all your scenes are included in SLR for no added cost?

You’re seeing Realjam now waiting much longer to put their scenes on the aggregator sites. It used to be about 4 days from the scene appearing on their site to appearing on SLR. Now it’s much longer, probably closer to a month. That might be the first step but their scenes all end up here eventually if you’re prepared to wait. I think the next step is to start making some scenes with top stars exclusive to entice people over. You then have to hope you’ve built enough of a membership to sustain you and break away altogether. Like I said though, there’s not many potential VR porn customers to go around and a lot just don’t seem to want to have multiple subscriptions. They have been conditioned to expect pay one subscription for a ton of content rather than pay the same money for maybe a couple of scenes per week.

jommy

Yeah for sure the VR requirements for hardware and filming technique is much higher than 2D so not for everyone. Imo it's only worth filming VR if it's done to a high standard - otherwise it's better to stick with 2D videos.

I think SLR use ZCamK2 Pro camera which is $6k new so imo it's not super super out of reach for small studios, finance/loan should be possible right?

I've seen a bunch of smaller studios that would have had amazing content if it were in better quality, for example..
https://www.sexlikereal.com/studios/blush-erotica
https://www.sexlikereal.com/studios/peeping-thom

I can see both sides of the aggregator argument tbh, SLR being an aggregator can feel like it's stifling competition but on the other hand, it allows small studios to grow as they don't need to invest in their own website/billing system etc. They simply upload the videos and SLR take care of everything else.

Customers only have so much money to spend each month on porn, so it's unrealistic to expect people to sub to many sites.

Studios delaying SLR uploads is one tactic to try and encourage people subbing to their own website and kind of smart.

At the end of the day i'd say it's definitely a win for customers and small studios that aggregator websites exist so long as they offer fair and transparent payouts to studios.

Also, if a studio has their own website then they are not bound by certain content rules (incest for example) that SLR must abide by due to payment processor rules, we all know how popular incest is in porn, that's a giant niche that seems untapped in VR.

argyle43

theHobbit I don't think anybody in their right mind would subscribe individually to multiple independent sites

theHobbit Why on earth would I subscribe to VRBangers or Badoink

well once again, I could not possibly agree with you less. I do sub to Bangers, Badoink, RealJam, 18VR, VirtualTaboo, Stripz… and Wankz, POVR, and the new sites, PornCorn and VRSpy… whether their content lands over here or not, I gladly pay them for what they’re doing. Am I in my right mind to do this? Maybe, maybe not. What the fuck difference does that make?

The reason I do is because I’m all for as much competition as possible to sites like this that in their arrogance try to assimilate everything else and dictate what we can and can’t see. I hope one by one all third party sites manage to break free from the grasp of SLR. Once again I don’t often agree with @petermc but he’s right when he says the grip SLR has on VR right now is unhealthy. Let there be competition. The more the better for we as consumers.

theHobbit

argyle43 Am I in my right mind to do this?

No.

However if you can afford it then plough your money into duplicate content lol, some people are a bit wiser than that with their cash. Like with all the money you are saving you could probably have the vision pro pay for itself after a couple of years.

fenderwq

argyle43 Wow, and I thought I was hardcore with a SLR + scripts, POVR and the occasional other site

petermc

argyle43 Once again I don’t often agree with @petermc but he’s right when he says the grip SLR has on VR right now is unhealthy. Let there be competition. The more the better for we as consumers.

Careful now! We’re getting dangerously close to being best friends 🤣🤣.

I’m pleased though that you also subscribe to other sites. We all should support the content we enjoy if we can afford to do so or we could lose it.

doublevr

argyle43 nice
That dude got money

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argyle43

my opinion is you’re on doubles payroll 😂🤣

theHobbit

argyle43 what's your financial outlay each year with all those sites?

petermc

jommy agreed, it’s not all bad. I’m sure SLR are a help to small independent studios starting out. It’s just a shame that the VR Porn industry and customer base doesn’t seem to be able to support many of those studios to ever feel financially secure enough to leave the nest and go out on their own. If we have reached a point that new sites are not possible, as was suggested, that is not a healthy state of affairs in my opinion, certainly not something to crow about as DoubleVR seemed to be.

I think the fact that none of the major porn producers followed Naughty America into VR probably speaks volumes for how difficult it is to make it work financially. If Brazzers, Evil Angel and their ilk don’t feel there’s money in it, what hope a small outfit starting from scratch?

argyle43

theHobbit every bit as much as you imagine… and worth every last penny to me. Independent producers, lots of them, and a liquid market with plenty of competition is good for all of us. Giant monopolistic Borg-like behemoths dominating the landscape, yea, not so good.

theHobbit

argyle43 what's your financial outlay each year with all those sites?

Understand your justification. What's the yearly financial outlay you are spending on VR porn?

If you are shy or hesitant to say lol, please provide instead what percentage of your monthly income is spent on supporting VR porn. Shouldn't be to hard to quantify that.

argyle43

theHobbit shy or hesitant

I’m neither. I’m just not about to share that kind of information about myself with you. Back off already.

theHobbit

argyle43 I’m neither. I’m just not about to share that kind of information about myself with you. Back off already.

weren't you the chap who was insinuating that I was on the payroll of @doublevr ?

Now you are crying about me speaking about finances with you lol.

Misgolas

I'm really surprised by the stuff people missed in this thread. Adult Time are a 2D titan and soon after some customer surveys last year they immediately pivot to signing on VR studios. Swallowbay was literally one of the first VR studios Adult Time signed on. They already had comprehensive toy feedback for their 2D content which works immediately with their VR content - which means i think they already have like 1000 VR scripted videos thats all inclusive. But after trying it the issue is they have poor UX within VR web browsers, which is why SLR comes out on top with DeoVR support.

So yes, why SLR has 25,000 videos and the best originals around, Adult Time are moving full steam ahead, SLR's only other competitor POVR has poorer usability but they do happen to have around 1000 videos from Virtual Taboo and if you're a virtual taboo fan POVR can sometimes feel worth it instead of just having a Virtual Taboo subscription. Honestly if SLR could get Virtual Taboo it would be a killer blow imo, Virtual Taboo have 3 updates a week and despite not even being interested in the fetish myself, the casting quality is superb.

Anyway, that's my take as a fan - Adult Time is a new player that's aggressive and POVR's only value is Virtual Taboo imo

Hairsational

Misgolas Honestly if SLR could get Virtual Taboo it would be a killer blow imo

I feel like that's unlikely given the history between the two.

Misgolas the casting quality is superb

They have the best european casting if you ask me.

SchnuppiLilac

Misgolas POVR's only value is Virtual Taboo

I don't expect that Virtual Taboo will give up exclusivity and start sharing their entire catalog with any aggregator. I don't think there are any full VT videos on POVR, these are only previews. VRPorn has a small selection of full videos but only older ones.

petermc

Misgolas POVR's only value is Virtual Taboo imo

I’m not aware of POVR having any Virtual Taboo videos. If they do, it must be a long time ago. I subscribe there for WankzVR and POVR Premium scenes. MilfVR has the odd decent scene too.

sylvan

Misgolas 1000 video from virtual tabool ? sure? Or only trailer : have you a subscription to be sure? Because idem for czech.vr: 955 video: full or only trailer

Misgolas

Hairsational i wasn't aware of the history - it just always seemed like a crude imitation i guess.

metichemsi

SchnuppiLilac Right, thats because their content is actually top notch and they probably manage just fine on their own taking in 100% of their subscriptions. I only see studios who are not quite performing as well as they hoped or anticipated participating with sites like SLR to help them distribute. Also anyone looking to save on hosting expenses as well can simply offload their entire catalogue to this site to manage instead lol

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