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Jimmy was the best director at Wankz by far and innovated a lot but yeah I agree. You can't bring that guy aboard

petergriff He hasn't changed.

I basically only know about the Emma Hix case, incl. one pathetic attempt to prove that the accusations were unfounded. But after less than one minute today on his Twitter, it seems this is the message he's trying to send.

      LordCrash I think I just come at VR porn from a different angle to a lot of (or at least the more vocal) VR fans. I was already a big fan of 2d porn, I watched a lot of it, probably an unhealthy amount!

      When I used to think about VR porn (but could never afford it pre-Quest 2) I used to dream about it feeling like I’m in the porno that I’m watching. That could be the most hardcore gonzo stuff to classic 90’s/00’s Jenna Jameson style porn.

      Basically then I’m looking for the VR porn experience to be me in a porn movie fucking pornstars like pornstars fuck. Deepthroat blowjobs, anal sex, hard fucking, filthy dirty talk etc. Whereas others (and I’m not necessarily including you in this) seem to want the VR experience to be them imagining that this is their real girlfriend. They don’t want her to be too slutty or too much like a porn performer, they want a pretend girlfriend. That is why passthrough (even in it’s current primitive form) is so amazing to these people and why it’s the holy grail for some to get it right because what could be more convincing to sell that girlfriend fantasy than to have the girl in your own bedroom on your own bed?

      None of this means that I don’t enjoy any of the VR porn that is made. I have TB’s of the stuff on hard drives and I do enjoy some of the more intimate scenes from time to time, that VRPlayful scene with Katy Rose being an example. I just want more other stuff to go along with it, more stuff that feels like the porn I used to watch but now in VR with me as the protagonist.

      I’m sure someone will come up with the classic “It’s supposed to be called Sex Like REAL” so they don’t want a pornstar performance with tattoos and fake boobs etc. Like any of this is representative of the real life sex that most people have!

          SchnuppiLilac Alex Coal also had a traumatic experience with him which is why she has never shot for WankzVR since. I think they’ve now removed her scene. It was her bringing that experience publicly to light last year (the scene was years earlier and Wankz took no notice of her back then) that caused them to finally sack him.

          To hire a known abuser to direct scenes for his “sexual wellness” site would be a horrendously ill-judged move and would demonstrate that he has no regard for the models who work for his company and without whom this business does not exist. To even publicly admit that he’s having a conversation with him about the prospect of hiring him is just so depressing to hear.

              sheldoncooper who’s “we”? Don’t include me in your statement.

              I want good porn yes but it’s not all I want. I also want the incredible women who provide us with so much joy and entertainment to be treated with respect and looked after.

                petermc Basically then I’m looking for the VR porn experience to be me in a porn movie fucking pornstars like pornstars fuck. Deepthroat blowjobs, anal sex, hard fucking, filthy dirty talk etc. Whereas others (and I’m not necessarily including you in this) seem to want the VR experience to be them imagining that this is their real girlfriend. They don’t want her to be too slutty or too much like a porn performer, they want a pretend girlfriend.

                This is a really good point and is one of the reasons why it's useless using things like view time as a metric for deciding if pass through is good or not. It may be that the PT viewers go straight to the action and get their business done quick. Then there are others who seem to want to be in a relationship and take their time to finish.

                The insinuation being that low watch time equates to people not necessarily enjoying PT.

                This is why I agree with @doublevr Number of likes is the most reliable metric.


                    petermc This pretty well encapsulates the way i feel about VR porn. I don't want to imagine these beautiful girls in my shitty 1 bdr condo, i want to imagine myself in their fantasy world.

                        theHobbit both view time and likes are good. we just show likes publically. it's more or less the same

                          doublevr but once you put the guy in the gimp suit, the cgi background won’t solve anything. It works here to some degree and could be a decent option if the cgi hopefully could be perfected even more but that’s because the guy is there. If he’s in the grey suit, it would look stupid.

                            doublevr Going to message https://twitter.com/MrLifestyles tomorrow. Let's see where it goes

                            If you’re looking for new directors, you could also try tapping up “@billywatson3”.

                            In my experience he’s a top, top bloke, gets a lot of great talent, does some awesome behind the scenes interviews, and shoots everything POV style (2D only though as far as I know)

                            If he could be persuaded to get into VR, it would be a good thing 🙂.

                              doublevr you can have both

                              No, you actually can't. It might be good AR porn but it's mediocre VR porn at best. And time is too precious for mediocre porn.

                                doublevr I wasn't aware that watersports is allowed again on SLR, my apologies. How about family taboo terms in scene titles?

                                    My thoughts

                                    1. You cannot hire Jimmy, aka the Harvey Weinstein of porn, that would be commercial and ethical suicide and would be the worst marketing mistake in your history by a huge margin. Hopefully that was a bad joke.

                                    2. AR means augmented reality, and can apply to 2d. VR means virtual reality. Passthrough is both AR (real world is incorporated into the image) and VR (2 independent images shown to replicate perception of the real world). The terms are not mutually exclusive. Perhaps we should be using the term "AVR" - Augmented Virtual Reality?

                                    3. The comparison to the early days of NA are to show that developments in technology often meet strong resistance and there is an inability in many to see how the tech might evolve into something worthwhile. Early VR was dog shit. Early passthrough was dog shit. It has improved. Passthrough now is where VR porn was in 2016. You have to go through this stage of development to achieve a desirable outcome. Some of us enjoy PT, I'd say most would at least concede that the idea has promise.

                                    4. Passthrough may technically be VR but it is an entirely different beast from regular VR because you remove any pretence of context. It's JUST THE PORN. No location, no romance or mystery. It's like comparing an action movie to a UFC match - they both feature fighting but in the movie we understand why.

                                    5. Because of (4) a creative director like Alex Nash is wasted on passthrough, which is at heart a technical exercise. And worse, you would be alienating your talent instead of nurturing them. Again, to continue the metaphor, you'd be hiring Martin Scorsese to direct UFC. Please accept that PT is a massively technical endeavor, because it's falling short on the technical side above all. Stunt cock in the wrong place, scaling, masking, light, all that should be worked on now.

                                    6. While UFC has its place, you're trying to be the Netflix of porn, not ESPN. So the full VR experience with locations and context should, I think, continue to be the main focus. Tech companies can get distracted from their core mission. Innovation is fun! But it's important to balance innovation with tried and tested products which are loved by your audience. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. But, your innovations are also your USP, so please do continue your great work with PT and scripts etc.

                                    Thanks for all your efforts, most of us do appreciate it.