banks putting pressure on GUNS, OIL INVESTMENT(green), PORN....those are the S in ESG.
Biden Administration
Biden Banking Nominee Wants To 'Starve' Companies That Invest in Oil and Gas
Saule Omarova attended Moscow State University on a Lenin scholarship
we know they want to get rid of all the guns and doing what they can...as they can't win in the courts
LordCrash Simply not true though. US media doesn't give a shit about what happens abroad. And so MC/Visa don't give much of a shit either.
Not my point. I meant that since MC/Visa are based in the US and are subject to the scrutiny of the media there, they set their content policies in accordance with the US approach to what is or is not problematic, and since they don't have per-country content policies (or so it was implied up-thread) then whatever policies they apply, they apply globally.
Now, they might be more lax in enforcing those policies in Europe, or European banks and processors might be more relaxed about applying their policies because they don't fear a crackdown as much, but any content creator with a global audience whose aim is to be as safe as possible will likely end up following the guidelines for what would be acceptable in the US.
I would much prefer if it the card networks and banks and processors could not be held responsible for what people who use their services do with them, and didn't care what you produce as long as it's legal, but that ship has sailed.
Is this no alcohol rule the reason some of the FuckPassVR scenes have disappeared? Namely the Allie Addison, Kyler Quinn & Chloe Temple scenes?
Hadn’t noticed. Bummer.
Hopefully they’ll be back after a bit of re-editing.
Lucky for me, I downloaded all those scenes already! 
LordCrash wow, you actually think that conservative bigots play more of a role on US based credit card company decisions than actual human trafficking scandals and underage performer cases coming up on tube sites????? Tell me, what took PH down? Was it conservative bigots or cases of underage performers and cases revolving around human trafficking? If Europe does not have any problems with these type of situations then thats your problem, we do, an until the porn industry has time to clean itself of more of these types of issues, it will continue to enforce more strict regulations regardless of what you believe.
Let's be sure to please keep this thread civil and avoid personal attacks. I haven't read up through all the posts above so if I missed something that should be deleted feel free to flag it.
Last I checked no one hear is personally the CEO or on the Board of Visa/Mastercard making these decisions, nor has anyone personally condoned any forms of sex slavery, so let's avoid any weirdly personal attacks/generalizations.
doublevr The future must be libertarian, I guess (I HOPE).
Fuck. I'm so pissed off. I checked my favs and many have "red flags." It's impossible to download JAV, right? Not even if I buy them? I'm legit worried about those.
I’ve seen a couple posts saying that a particular scene is no longer available. Are you guys systematically going through the scenes and making sure they’re compliant? Will these scenes be available again after they go through this verification?
metichemsi wow, you actually think that conservative bigots play more of a role on US based credit card company decisions than actual human trafficking scandals and underage performer cases coming up on tube sites?????
How stupid is a political and regulatory system that can't differentiate between an "everyone can upload" tube site and a professional production studio working along the basic industry rules (with age verification on set etc.) and selling their content on their own site? If these so morally upright banking companies actually wanted to save the poor children they could easily withdraw their full support from said tube sites while continuing doing regular business with professional industry entities. Basically, how business works in every other damn industry...
Or do you think restaurants shouldn't be allowed to sell steaks anymore because some people offering food on the street actually sell dog food labelled as a tenderloin? Somebody doesn't play by the rules and act in criminal manner so simply punish everybody, including those who are prefectly legit? What's wrong with society these days, damn...
metichemsi If Europe does not have any problems with these type of situations then thats your problem,
LOL, that's not what I've said and that's not how it actually works. In Europe, people understand that collective punishment due to the misteps and criminal activities of a select view is neither justified nor reasonable. As long as you act according to the law you should be allowed to do your business. It's up to the police and authorities to catch the actual criminals and put them in jail and not up to the banking system. They have no fucking regulatory power or better, they shouldn't have. That's what actual authorities are there for, to enforce the actual law and to make sure that everybody plays nice. The banking system is there to provide financial support for those who want to do business according to the laws. That's their one and only purpose, not more, not less. Fucking morons.
And maybe, on a final note, do you want to tell me how forbidding piss drinking in porn scenes actually protects children from abuse or how it prevents women from human trafficing? I'd really like to know.
I guess it's totally the progressives who want to tell women what they should be allowed to do and what they shouldn't be allowed to do with their own bodies. It's widely known that that's one of the core goals of progressive policies...
metichemsi I remember when the pornhub thing came up and they tried to claim it was all about underage performers and human trafficking. It was pointed out at the time by many that it was a tiny, tiny minuscule amount of scenes and a very small fraction of the level of underage, human trafficking stuff on the likes of Facebook. It was all bullshit made up by the anti-porn brigade to try to cripple the site even after they totally cleaned up their act and removed all pirated content. If people were really worried about pornhub being crammed full of illegal underage porn, then surely the site would’ve been closed down and people sent to prison instead of leaving it as it is and just stopping them from receiving credit card payments.
had some friends on there getting a 1000bucks per million views before it all happened...it was an integral part of their finances...got cut down big time, but they're mostly still on the site, just not as excited and motivated
Just noticed a Realjam scene has gone with Valentina Lapiedra. Hot scene as well if a little rough around the edges. I assume it’s gone as she was holding a glass of champagne (probably not champagne) at the start to celebrate her boyfriend’s birthday and didn’t even take one sip of it.
It’s ridiculously paranoid to think anyone is removing credit card billing over that. Even if you were that concerned, just remove the first 10 seconds of the scene, you don’t need to pull the whole thing. No other site is panicking like this.
petermc Oh ok, I didnt realize that if there is only a "tiny, tiny, miniscule" amount of underage performers or human trafficking it should be alright for credit card companies to be perfectly ok. Wow, you blame conservative bigots but your stance is just as absurd as the one you claim to be responsible for your woes. Tube sites have been targeted more by actual porn studios since their inception than any legislation. Get over it, porn in the US continues to be a taboo subject and bad headlines like that will never result in inaction or easing of regulations by US companies. If Europe and the rest of the world are perfectly fine with a tiny amount of underage performers and human trafficking, then have at it.
Better yet, go complain to the japanese legislation instead, the CC companies may not be ok with certain subject matter but at least they dont censor any nudity. But thats not conservative bigotry right?
I'm done arguing about your first world problems
metichemsi I’m not saying a small amount is ok, (I actually said people should go to prison for that stuff) I’m saying they were treated disproportionately in comparison to non-porn sites that have way bigger issues with these things. It was not a move to curb underage and other illegal content. If it was, they would’ve shut the site down. It was part of an anti-porn agenda from the religious crazies in the US.
bacula8630 TBH this topic isn't one that I have any involvement with so I can't really give you a solid answer as to any plans/etc. Our head of Compliance is off this week but might be able to shed some light on this once he's back.
petermc comparing to facebook is not a good argument either, facebook is a communication platform not subscription site where you can purchase content. Any communication platform is subject to and has been used by people with ill intent. Chat rooms and forums used to be the same way before. You go after the individual offenders in those cases. Now, if FB was a subscription site that required CC payments to use, then we would have seen similar responses from CC companies. You have to keep in mind that most companies at play in these matters are publicly traded companies, and have stock prices to think about, it has nothing to do with the left or right, negative press or association with bad press is bad news. What you are asking for is something totally different, what you area asking for is a shift in the societal norms altogether, Europe is a far more liberal when it comes to sex and drugs and you want the US to be the same way, they are different cultures and it would be just as likely for the US to be as liberal as Europe as it seems likely that Japan will change it's censorship laws. That is simply not going to happen anytime soon.
justsomedude101 TBH this topic isn't one that I have any involvement with so I can't really give you a solid answer as to any plans/etc. Our head of Compliance is off this week but might be able to shed some light on this once he's back.
Thanks for the reply. Appreciate it. 
SLROriginals Bella Luna "Last Call" (which is set in a bar) is missing, will it be back?
This new no alcohol rules are a little crazy (and paranoid), there are alcohol advertisements everywhere, bars are in every movie and TV shows, for fuck's sake a most of "Cheers" or "How i meet you mother" is happening in a bar.
