Okay folks, this is serious - No Alcohol, No drugs, No Nonconsensual

What I also don’t get is, who is checking on this stuff for the banks/billing providers? There’s an almost infinite number of porn sites. Who has the manpower to watch every second of every porn scene on every site in the world to see if someone swallows a bit of piss or there’s an alcoholic drink in the shot. It’s impossible.

There’s porn sites with the word ‘piss’ in the title of the site. Pissplay.com is pretty much 100% piss drinking scenes and they don’t attempt to hide it. Surely that’s the first site you’d check if you were closing sites down for that?

That’s the thing I’ve never understood, if these are standardised rules for all porn sites that use credit card billing, why is there such inconsistency between what sites are allowed to show?

I will stress, as I’ve said before, that SLR have every right to be as risk averse as they want to be. I get that they can’t afford to lose access to credit card billing and don’t blame them for doing what they’re doing. I’ve just never understood why other sites are able to operate without these restrictions if the credit card companies are so hot on this stuff.

Polar if I have purchased content that potentially falls into a JAV category that could get pulled, do I lose that since there’s no download option?

Polar There was a discussion on the forum recently about "stepfamily" content. Both card networks have an explicit ban on depictions of incest which leads to the "step" modifier being used... liberally. But we also understand that some people are really into daddy or mommy talk without the step modifier being used. That can happen, the scene just needs to be presented as being a sugardaddy or sugarmommy scenario instead.

Does that mean girls can’t say “daddy” in stepdad scenes anymore even after it’s been clearly shown earlier in the scene that it’s a step relationship?

petermc Does that mean girls can’t say “daddy” in stepdad scenes anymore even after it’s been clearly shown earlier in the scene that it’s a step relationship?

Honestly, the studios should just substitute the word "sir" in there instead. Anyone wanting to fantasize about a daddy kink could, and the folks who don't like that could just imagine the sir means boss or something else.
It seems the payment processors are hung up on the word "dad/daddy", which is stupid but it is what it is, but you could make some pretty intense scenes using the word "sir" instead. Dad/Daddy would be unspoken but implied through context. That would get rid of the stupid "step" talk as well.

BML5768 Sir just doesn’t hit in the same way. It works similarly I suppose in a sub/dom scenario but when you’re wanting to watch incest storylines in porn, it’s not the same.

Avakian My understanding is that the pressure does not come from some religious right anti-porn fundamentalists (those Gilead folks are usually pretty comfortable with violence against women and would probably rather target gay porn) but more likely is the aftermath of some players in the porn industry not paying attention to the content they earn their money with, which was partly abusive and illegal and, most importantly, not acted. Mastercard and Visa cut their services to Pornhub after this was made public in the NY Times in 2020. Many people nowadays just won't accept such things anymore, even if in general they would have a liberal attitude towards porn. And incest is probably illegal in most countries.

As a result, payment providers are extra cautious and will not accept any porn content that is non-consensual or incest-related. It does not matter if this content is just acted, because the card companies for sure will not start evaluating videos or publicly defending the legal content produced by the porn industry.

Not sure though who drew the line between peeing and pee drinking. I am truly glad that peeing is still considered acceptable, because the urge really starts getting unbearable after a while...

Sperson Your JAV suggestion would require SLR getting a local Japanese biller, but said biller would probably reject the site if the usage is going to be mainly foreign cards because the site would have to comply with global rules. As I noted above, statistically if certain JAV was removed, it will probably be content not many are watching, not the popular releases.

petermc Some billers use global crawlers to locate non-compliant terms plus random compliance checks (logging in, accessing random movies, etc.). You are right that they can't patrol for everything and they don't. A legit site like SLR though will always err on the side of caution to avoid any potential issues rather than keep trying to push the envelope to suddenly discover no processing ability one day.

Avakian Swallow the Sun (your avatar). A man with taste.

ZENRA sorry, I may not have asked the question clearly. I wasn’t suggesting anything, I was asking if data was segregated in regional subsidiaries would that be sufficient for regional payment processors. Similar to hosting all EU customer data in EU to be GDPR compliant but rest of the world can operate normally hosted in other regions.
Either way sounds like you answered that it still wouldn’t work.

PS. Did someone delete the original question?

Sperson I see, but yes, it won't work. Visa/MC rules are global. My theory as to why JAV can do what it does is because JCB owns the nationwide processing network. No other way to really explain how they can produce and easily sell content that would receive anti compliance ban hammers right away elsewhere.

petermc Sir just doesn’t hit in the same way. It works similarly I suppose in a sub/dom scenario but when you’re wanting to watch incest storylines in porn, it’s not the same.

Sure, but "step" doesn't hit the same either, and apparently any daddy talk is going to get banned eventually. Any other ideas?

BML5768 not really no, I’m just saying “Sir” is not the answer. Some people can live with “Stepdaddy” but, for me personally (and this is only my opinion), if it’s going to be “Step” all way through the scene, it does nothing for me. I’d rather they just abandon it altogether and come up with different scenarios. It’s not just for step parents either. I don’t want to hear “stepbro” and “stepsis” through the whole scene or “stepson/stepdaughter”. Once you’ve clearly established at the beginning of the scene that the characters are only step related, I don’t see why you can’t drop the step during sex as the participants get more turned on by the taboo nature of what they’re doing.

Wait, even daddy is not acceptable anymore?