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  • Okay folks, this is serious - No Alcohol, No drugs, No Nonconsensual

I'll preface this by saying that it's totally fine if everyone wants to continue the discussion around this topic, since it's obviously one that there is a lot of passion behind.

But while floating the idea that a porn company (or virtually any online company) could/should/would shift away from major credit cards and move to crypto-only payments is a fun thought experiment, and maybe in another decade the outlook might look different - right now it would be an immediate death sentence, and I hope everyone understands that. To say that the loss of income/revenue would be "profound" would be an understatement, and no amount of guides/manuals/walkthroughs to help new users understand and set up crypto payments would ever come even remotely close to recuperating that loss.

So if we're weighing the pros and cons of a site shifting to crypto-only payments, with the "pros" being a porn site can now have the freedom to include things like fake alcohol/drugs/non-consensual content in their scenes and the "cons" being that porn site immediately loses 99% of income, hopefully the obvious choice is pretty clear.

we get it...i was just doing a little responding. we read the answer just above 🙂

but who is driving this...is very clear.

seems like the one i was responding to vanished...was responding to the site telling us it was a death sentence

it was the one that SAID wouldn't touch crypto

argyle43 unless we proceed with our own crypto implementation we are going to be a subject for the same rules like we have with other financial institutions.

      most people don’t understand crypto and the freedom it does and will bring. that’s fine. remain dinosaurs.

      the world is changing though.

      doublevr I really don’t follow your logic here. I buy some LiteCoin (LTC) on KuCoin. I transfer it to my Ledger cold wallet. I buy things from any merchant that accepts it. There is no financial intermediary to exert their conditions and censorship, period.

      Yes @justsomedude101 I certainly understand that the volume of CC payment processing vs. what I’ve just described doesn’t make this financially viable as a wholesale change, but if service providers that don’t want to be beholden to these financial behemoth bullies don’t begin implementing these changes and warming the masses to the option then nothing will ever change for the better. Just as simple as that.

      SLR is in a good position to lead on this. I think they should.

          argyle43 SLR is in a good position to lead on this. I think they should.

          Maybe they could finally invest in some innovation that has actually a point...

              argyle43 SLR is in a good position to lead on this. I think they should.

              LordCrash Maybe they could finally invest in some innovation that has actually a point...

              Your input is appreciated, but in general we'll usually choose to stay in business rather that try to take some moral high ground and immediately lose virtually all of our income. Your time would be better spent taking this argument to Amazon/Walmart/whatever companies are relevant for where you live, who do millions of times more business than we do, have active lobbyists, etc.

              Until the point in time comes where we're losing 99% of potential customers because they are so infuriated at our inability to host certain types of content, there is zero reason to willingly choose to give up 98% of revenue. I trust that neither of you (nor anyone else) would choose to give up 99% of your paycheck if it meant "sticking it" to credit card companies.

              @LordCrash I deleted one of your comments - it was weirdly hostile. Please stop that.

                    walmart, amazon, etc., all sell alcohol, and a good portion of print/media advertisements are centered around alcohol and sex. but oh hell no, not in porno! if these credit card companies are so morally pure, why are they not banning alcohol sales and displays at these establishments as well?

                    do the major porn companies like brazzers, bangbors, czechvr, realjam, etc. use the same credit card billing system on their exclusive sites? and are they being held to the same standard of removing past content featuring alcohol and prohibited from making future content featuring alcohol? . i get it there are a lot of other videos on here besides the ones removed, and slr is an awesome site especially with the deo compatibility, but i am a paying customer and a lot of videos i had bookmarked just flat out disappeared that i still see on other sites. so this is just a random and hard one to comprehend and to figure out what the point of this is and who it applies to.

                      justsomedude101 @LordCrash I deleted one of your comments - it was weirdly hostile. Please stop that.

                      So how about deleting the post I was answering to as well? THAT one was weirdly hostile and my post was only a reaction to it.

                          justsomedude101 Your time would be better spent taking this argument to Amazon/Walmart/whatever companies are relevant for where you live, who do millions of times more business than we do, have active lobbyists, etc.

                          Walmart and Amazon produce porn? I never knew...

                              Even ignoring the logistical nightmare and complete collapse of the business model, crypto is justifiably associated with a lot of really scammy and illegal shit.

                              People using crypto to buy porn on the internet has some very very bad associations tied to it and would just invite more federal intervention. It would be exchanging one problem for another.

                              LordCrash So how about deleting the post I was answering to as well? THAT one was weirdly hostile and my post was only a reaction to it.

                              Didn't see it, don't care - no one else's behavior excuses your own. You can always flag it if this comes up again for review.

                              And I'm done for the time being as far as discussing the pragmatism of shifting to a crypto-only payment model. If anyone is particularly passionate about it, they could always consider quitting their job, giving up virtually all of their income, and lobbying full time against the credit card monopolies, since that's essentially what it's being suggested we do. And while it's a beautiful "David vs Goliath" type daydream, it's incredibly unrealistic. Maybe some day it won't be, but for now - it really, really is.

                                  justsomedude101 I know you’re done on the topic so no need to respond. I only wanted to point out I wasn’t advocating a wholesale change and my last post said as much. What I said was that SLR is in a good position to add crypto payment as one option, provide help for those that are interested to learn how to move to that option, and therefore be a leader moving the needle. Despite the non-believers above who most likely just don’t get it, blockchain and digital currencies are coming. It’s up to ordinary people to ensure these are ones that allow people to truly own their money and how they use their money, vs. being ostriches while central governments lobbied by big banks put out their own non-private and centralized versions.

                                  I’ll shut up now too.

                                      doorsareopen

                                      do the major porn companies like brazzers, bangbors, czechvr, realjam, etc. use the same credit card billing system on their exclusive sites? and are they being held to the same standard of removing past content featuring alcohol and prohibited from making future content featuring alcohol

                                      SLR is taking a harder stance with potentially trouble content to prevent any potential issues down the line. At the tippy top, the big thing card companies don't want to see among legally-produced content are non-con themes. Billers, who to keep things short, are the actual customers of card companies, not sites like SLR, may err a bit more to play it safe. Then you have the paysites themselves that may or may not play it even safer because the best amount of emails one can receive from one's biller is zero.

                                        LordCrash No, but both sell 4K remasters of Cannibal Holocaust. Surprising, because I think what SLR is doing with passthrough vastly has more cultural merit and certainly is considerably less obscene than that movie. Such is the prejudice our industry faces.

                                          argyle43 SLR already has a crypto option. I just loaded the join form and it is there.

                                              argyle43

                                              if you keep crypto at a brokerage like a gemini....it's not as private and carefree as you think

                                              been questioned a few times on transfers....they wanted screen shots and closed the acct...holding my money when the market crash 40 percent

                                              i got into crypto to play online poker....so if you want something bad enough...you will make some changes

                                              now have crypto, but before transferring it out...send it all to a wallet and do it....kind of pain in the ass, but still worth it when i need to use it

                                                  spanker Exchanges (in USA at least) and other financial companies push crypto in that they want users to 'invest' in it, but gosh forbid the moment you want to start using it to pay for goods and services...

                                                    ZENRA cool. I’ve had a LT since mid 2020 so haven’t been by the billing pages in awhile.

                                                    spanker nobody should keep crypto on a CEX. That’s asking for trouble right now. Get cash on, get crypto off and into a hardware wallet. Yes there’s a learning curve just like there was a learning curve to use the Internet when it first emerged 30-some years ago. This too will get easier with more adoption, and the current stigmas will pass as they do for all breakthrough technologies that have come before.