Feedback. Less all the time?

rolly

dango789 But they actually specify in their terms that you can watch on TV... so if they would remove the TV access then NO, I wouldn't be satisfied. Your example is like saying SLR removed Oculus support... which they didn't.
So my Plex example is exactly what is happening here... A few people wanting to watch on a 3rd party app that was never promised and making a big fuss about it.

dango789

rolly So you're saying that you shouldn't expect to get anything more out of subscribing to SLR than to POVR and VRPorn?

rolly

dango789 I'm saying you get what they offer. Don't expect more and don't compare it to other platforms by cherry-picking.

bobbytables Well, if you did a good market study you should know that their numbers started dropping after other platforms (cheaper) started to be released in Europe+Asia and that you don't have "their subscriber data" in real-time + the stock value drops every time a negative news appears. You should check other stocks two, I guess Disney's stock price also started dropping in 2021 because Netflix announced the removal of multi-home streaming... (sarcasm).
As for "major feature", what major feature did SLR remove? And if you say Heresphere support... I don't think that even 5% of SLR subscribers even know what Heresphere is... so that was never an SLR major feature.
I will take a look at that link and on reddit, thanks.

With this, I will stop... There is no reason for me to continue posting here since it will lead nowhere. Some people will never be happy and I am not like that 😛

Have a nice day/evening 🙂

bobbytables

rolly lol my dude pretty much all of your four points are provably wrong. I've done an actual market study on netflix for my job.
1) go ahead and name major features they've removed in the past year. ill wait
2) This is just you basing things off feels. You can look at their subscriber data, the graph drops the very day they announced the removal of multi-home streaming. As did their stock value. There's zero reason for you to lie here
4) There have been a few threads talking about his insulting of people (it's even worse on reddit. go check out his reddit account) here's one thread https://forum.sexlikereal.com/d/3465-can-i-apply-for-a-pr-job-with-slr

You've continued to move goalposts in this thread repeatedly, especially with the TV argument. It's a bad look and kills your credibility.

someoneX

rolly I'm saying you get what they offer.
rolly As for "major feature", what major feature did SLR remove?

30 downloads per 72 hours (and even more in the past) - did we have to expect it will be reduced by 50%?

For me that was the turning point, when I stopped recommending SLR to other users. Before I always recommended them as basic subscription and starting point and everything else as addon - I even defended them on Reddit in the past.

I still like them enough to use them myself, but now they are one of many and not my/the default choice.

As for customer interaction I agree with you, that only WankzVR/POVR has interaction and forums on the same level. Every other big studio avoids customer interaction - only a few smaller studios are very active in comments and on reddit - and this made me buy lifetime subscriptions to their sites and also is one of the reasons why I still like SLR to a certain degree.

LordCrash

rolly I think 99% of subscribers are satisfied with what they get from the SLR subscription but we only see the 1% complaining.

Based on what data?

Everybody can make up bullshit numbers...

rolly There are a lot of things they implemented based on user feedback

Ok, tell me. What did they implement based on user feedback?

It's pretty much always SLR themselves coming up with stuff nobody asked for in the first place...

How about these things:

People asked for consistently high video quality. Nope, won't do.
People asked for unlimited downloads. Nope, won't do.
People asked for decent bitrates. Nope, won't do.
People asked for Heresphere integration. Nope, won't do.
People asked for proper release schedules. Nope, won't do.
People asked for more hardcore content. Nope, won't do.

Maybe I'm the 1% lousy complainers and everybody else is happy but if you name yourself the no 1 customer friendly and overall the no 1 VR porn company you should deliver on that claim.

Right now, SLR is imho pretty much in decline because they don't get the most basic things right anymore: consistently high video quality on the best possible software and an ever growing catalogue of high quality content. Imho almost nobody gives a damn fuck about most of the amateur studios on the network. Most people are probably here for the SLR Originals and some of the major studios that are left, like RealJamVR and VRHush. So that's the stuff that they should focus on, not all the other fancy gimmicky stuff that is all just a huge bubble of nonsense. Great content in great video quality. That's what it's all about.

rolly There is no reason for me to continue posting here since it will lead nowhere.

In that case there was no reason to post here in the first place.

bobbytables

rolly except i did have access to their live data for work.... lmao. but uh, go off.

Rakly3

someoneX The problem is that SLR closed the DeoVR API access to 3rd party solutions like HereSphere. So it won't help to ask the Heresphere develovper - the change has to happen on SLRs side,

nope, wrong. I can't say any more though.

rerun119

Rakly3 I'm not saying you are wrong because I have no idea but your boss said "HereSphere simply started stealing one SLR feature after another becoming a parasite from being a contributor. We simply don't want to do any business with him." Plus other stuff further up this thread that implies that you guys stopped it from your end

Will65

doublevr Oh, you service us alright...

Rakly3

we have a custom made 10k rig.
unlimited downloads, impossible.
Bitrates, we have the studio original files available.
HereSphere, Stop assuming you know what's going on. If it was up to us, HereSphere would work with SLR right now. - I don't want to throw the HereSphere dev under the bus here. He explained to me the details and I understand his side too.
Schedules. Not sure what you mean. We don't decide when studios release their scenes.
Also, not sure what you mean by implying there is no hardcore on SLR, or what your definition is.

90% of VR studios and their content would not exist without SLR.

That "gimmicky stuff" is advancing VR R&D and costing SLR millions $.

Rakly3

HiItsMe you're reading into things I didn't say.

someoneX

Rakly3 unlimited downloads, impossible.

I understand that with SLR's business model they can't be unlimited, but I don't understand why they've had to be reduced so substantially several times already while charging the same monthly fees, and why you can't offer addon packs at extra cost for users who would like more downloads.

I also don't understand the prices for individual purchases - they bear no relation to the subscription price. Why do single scenes have to cost up to $9.99? That's out of proportion to the monthly flat rate prices of SLR and the studio websites, which include DRM-free access to hundreds of scenes. Even $0.99 would be high in comparision, but at least would be something I would maybe consider in some cases.

And if your answer is, that the studios decide those prices, even SLR Originals are $6.99 - so it seems you also consider prices of multiple dollars per scene as justified.

Rakly3 Bitrates, we have the studio original files available.

Oversized "original files" (sometimes with unfavorable codecs) make no sense to the user as an alternative to a reasonable bitrate at the level of many other studios.

Rakly3 If it was up to us, HereSphere would work with SLR right now.

As independend product, that also supports other sites and without restrictions for the developer? If you really want that, just implement the Heresphere API - I doubt he will actively block you from doing that.

LordCrash

Rakly3 we have a custom made 10k rig.

Not here yet. Let's talk again when it's up and running and looking good. I might change my opinion then.

Rakly3 unlimited downloads, impossible.

Yeah, maybe, but the amount of downloads has been further reduced. There are by the way major websites where you can download hundreds of scenes without restrictions. Believe me, I've been subscribed or I am still subscribed to almost every major porn site out there...

Rakly3 Bitrates, we have the studio original files available.

You know exactly what I'm talking about and this has been discussed many times. Original files are useless for most people. And the bitrate of your normal downloads suck. There has to be a high-quality option with a better bitrate without being forced to download a 100 GB file. Every other major studio does better than SLR. Let's have another look:

CzechVR - 60,000 kbit/s
NA VR - 60,000 kbit/s
WankzVR/POVR - 50,000 kbit/s
VR Bangers/VR Conk - 50,000 kbit/s
RealJamVR - 50,000 kbit/s
Virtual Real Porn - 50,000 kbit/s
BadoinkVR/18 VR/VRCosplayX/Kink VR - 40,000 kbit/s
Virtual Taboo/DRVR - 40,000 kbit/s
SinsVR - 40,000 kbit/s
SLR - 30,000 kbit/s (or overblown 100,000+ kbit/s)

Now tell me again about that no 1 customer satisfaction approach...

Rakly3 HereSphere

I didn't assume anything. I stated the facts that it's not available. And there is simply no alternative since your own player is inferior. People wouldn't request Heresphere if Deo was just as good or better.

Rakly3 Schedules. Not sure what you mean. We don't decide when studios release their scenes.

Release schedule for SLR Originals. Stuff gets shifted all the time and nobody knows when videos finally show up. It looks like it's all made up on the fly with no actual planning involved.

Rakly3 Also, not sure what you mean by implying there is no hardcore on SLR, or what your definition is.

Not no hardcore, more hardcore. Nasty, filthy, fun stuff. Anything that isn't the vanilla GFE type of scenes. Of course mostly for SLRO since almost nobody cares about the amateur studios anyway. Looks to me like stuff like that is rather reduced than extended. You're lucky that RealJamVR is still on your board since they consistently do more of that stuff like the DP lately. And by the way, why is there no MMFF SLRO scene since like forever although people have been asking for it?

Rakly3 That "gimmicky stuff" is advancing VR R&D and costing SLR millions $.

Yeah, that's probably the main issue. Like I said, contentrate on the most important things first. We seem to have different opinions on what that is but I guess that's why there is a gap between the wishes of your customers and your own plans. If some of that money would go into making more quality content with best quality tech it might be a better deal for the customers who pay you money right now. I'm not against R&D in general, far from it. But it seems like you're much more invested and concerned about that gimmicky stuff that might turn into something in 3 years or 5 years or 10 years than the stuff that is released today. At least that's how it looks from the outside.

And don't get me wrong, I very much assume that you guys work hard and that's good. But I doubt that claim that you primarily listen to customer feedback and implement that rather than coming up with stuff on your own.

If you really want to be the no 1 customer centrific site how about implementing a requests board on which people can request things and other people get to vote for them and on which people can actually see what you guys implemented based on actual customer feedback?

LordCrash

Rakly3 90% of VR studios and their content would not exist without SLR.

I guess you're speaking about most of the smaller studios since the bigger studios/productions like RealJamVR, VR Hush, LethalHardcoreVR, WankzVR, LustReality, CzechVR that most people care about (if purely based on likes and everything) were there before SLR was even established and will very likely still be there if SLR was gone. And I'd bet that newer studios like SinsVR and FuckPassVR could also continue to exist without SLR since they already have their own sites and loyal fans. Or do you really think most people are primarily subscribed to all the "filler content" from smaller and often much more amateurish studios on SLR? Most scenes from smaller studios usually have no more than 100 or 200 likes which tells a lot about their appeal to the broader customer base.

So technically, you are right that these other studios probably won't be there without SLR and that the major studios might had to deal with some decreased income if SLR shut down but imho you overestimate the effect SLR actually has on the VR porn industry. There are major other VR studios out there, some completely or almost completely detached from SLR, like Naughty America or Badoink or CzechVR or POVR or VR Bangers (now). They can thrive perfectly without SLR and I'd claim that some of them even do some things quite better than SLR. POVR, for example, offers a lot of the same major studios and you more or less get the same experience watching the actualy high quality scenes there. Only difference is that they don't offer SLRO scenes while you guys don't offer POVR scenes. That's the reason why I'm subscribed to both networks.

In my honest opinion, your actual unique selling point are SLR Originals combined with releases from other major studios . For many users that's the actual reason for subscribing - not the fancy webpage or all the other small VR studios or all the gimmicky stuff etc. It's about getting access to high-quality VR porn.

So most people are likely here for SLR Originals and these other major studios I've mentioned above. With a SLR sub they don't have to seperately subscribe to RealJamVR, for example, which is indeed a real benefit. That's the reason why the departure of VR Bangers is so devasting for the network. Every major brand leaving the subscription is something that you can hardly compensate without either offering more content produced on your own or by substituting it with another major brand. I don't know why you're defensive about that, it's just a simple fact. Sad for both you as the platform holder and us as the customers. It definitely shouldn't come as a surprise that your subscribers are really pissed about stuff like that and demand for action to compensate for the lost content/functionality.

Will65

Rakly3 we have a custom made 10k rig.

Will it be as awesome as your 8k rig? /s

Rakly3 unlimited downloads, impossible.

Other sudios manage it, so not impossible. You just won't.

Rakly3 Bitrates, we have the studio original files available.

You can offer smaller downloads in better bitrates, but apparently can't be bothered.

Rakly3 HereSphere, Stop assuming you know what's going on. If it was up to us, HereSphere would work with SLR right now. - I don't want to throw the HereSphere dev under the bus here. He explained to me the details and I understand his side too.

Not enough infromation public, but inference seems to be that you wanted his proprietary information he was unwilling to share, due to fear of you just stealing it and implenting it (likely poorly) into DeoVR. With SLR's reputation for shady practices and your stellar community relations (/s), I'm not surprised.

Rakly3 Schedules. Not sure what you mean. We don't decide when studios release their scenes.

You can't meet YOUR OWN publicly posted release schedules. This type pf answer is exactly the type of doubletalk that aggaravates people. Everyone know you can't trust SLRs release schedule. It's a damn running joke in the forums. Yet, here you are acting like you dont know what in the world we could be talking about.

Rakly3 Also, not sure what you mean by implying there is no hardcore on SLR, or what your definition is.

I dont like most hardcore, so I don't care about this. But: your content is pretty vanilla. Even when you tag something as BDSM, it's 30 seconds of someone lightly restrained with a scarf.

spacepirate

rerun119 slr offered the heresphere dev some sort of deal and he turned them down. slr then threw a tantrum because they didnt get what they wanted and cut heresphere off from their api. then doublevr made posts about how heresphere was supposedly stealing features (with zero evidence to back up the claims) while slr was at the same time trying to copy heresphere features (for example autofocus... which they seem to have given up on now).

doublevr

spacepirate That's just pure bullshit. Please stop bringing this non sense

I'm not even touching that shit because it's so stupid and ridiculous. Just get the fuck out with it.

doublevr

Everyone who is mad on SLR for whatever reason just leave this place. We really don't have to go through this back and forth every time you get another stupid conspiracy. And every time we reply you come up with even more outrageous push backs. Just keep that to yourself.

We have a service to run and it speaks for itself.

dango789

doublevr
A few days ago, I was a big fan of SLR who happened to also have a few concerns. Initially, I was just mildly frustrated, and spoke out mostly so that more features don't get removed. I even defended SLR on the things that you do right!

But then you and others refused to even acknowledge how repeatedly removing features from customers after we've paid can possibly upset us. Zero empathy. Just days of fighting, insisting that we are wrong with your outrageous logic.

As a lifetime member, I WANT to see SLR succeed. I want SLR to offer the best content. I want SLR to have the best experience. I want SLR to have a good reputation. I want to work with you, but you turn us against you when you refuse to listen to our collective feedback, insist you're always right and fight with us instead.

Frankly, after being treated like this, I am quite annoyed. Do you not understand that this sort of behaviour turns us against you?

spacepirate

dango789 well said

trying to play us for fools doesnt help either

doublevr

dango789 Do you not understand that this sort of behaviour turns us against you?

What kind of behaviour do you expect? As for someone who makes enthusiastically things work your requirements are not bearable. What is even worse is the disrespectful way you express it.

There is no other site anywhere near to SLR. I do my best to get even more cool stuff, it's just not physically possible to have everything under one roof. And it's not someone's fault or plan. It's how things work. Yet you come up with the opposite of it blaming people who do their best to provide.

doublevr

dango789 you guys should understand VR is living and breathing thing. It's not even a business as you can't make money there since you re-invest everything to make things happen.

Other companies have better luck taking money out of it. Instead we are fully committed to bring things up to the next level. It's not only about tech we invent, but also the policies we make. There's some logic in things we do which is not immediately clear for a regular customer, but we totally have to implement it if we want to succeed.

Please respect our decision. And if you are concerned of anything check https://forum.sexlikereal.com/d/3406-slr-2023-plans

dango789

doublevr I expect you to put a stop to this toxic environment that normalises insulting customers, people on reddit or other stakeholders. This sours your relationship with customers, ruins your reputation in the community and burns bridges with those who you could have formed working relationships with.

I expect you to listen to what your customers have to say rather than instantly dismiss us, or worse yet, fight with us. We are not your enemies. Stop treating us like we are. Work together with us. Listen to our feedback and make our experiences better.

I expect you to stop taking features away from us without replacing it with anything else.

Do those things and I assure you that SLR will be seen far more favourably by your customers and the community.

Mutiny

Edit: I vented here and while I still believe what I said, it didn't need saying.

Hope you all have a great day, and I'll see ya around.

spacepirate

Mutiny people have raised very valid criticisms here. you chiming in to say "youre all assholes who dont deserve to watch my vids.. and btw i met doublevr once.. hes a good dude" while simultaneously dismissing all the criticisms isnt helping anything. very presumptuous of you to assume that everyone watches your vids too i might add.

Will65

LordCrash In my honest opinion, your actual unique selling point are SLR Originals combined with releases from other major studios . For many users that's the actual reason for subscribing - not the fancy webpage or all the other small VR studios or all the gimmicky stuff etc. It's about getting access to high-quality VR porn.

Add in top-notch scripting and this comment is spot on. No one cares about the garbage ameture studios. They are clutter. I used to check new vids every day, but since major studios left, I only check on new scripts and new SLR Originals. I'm sure that you all preceive yourselves as visionaries advancing the future of VR, but your current customers are not investors in your visions of future startups. We are paying customers who expect regular, technically compentent, high quality releases on a consistent and predictable schedule. And we expect the terms of our subscriptions to be consistent as well, not continually negotiated down AFTER THEY ARE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR. And we certainly don't appreciate condescension and shit-talking when we suggest or complain on a public forum that you put in place explicitly FOR OUR FEEDBACK. Can't take the criticism? Close the discussion boards. What you really seem to want is an echo-chamber full of fawning praise. You all act like we should be thankful for this wonderful gift you're giving us out of the goodness of your hearts! You are a business, providing a product. We pay for that product. You owe us what we paid for. We owe you payment. If either sides doesn't deliver, the other side complains. WTF is so hard to understand?

Mutiny There's a half dozen of you on here I wish I could block from watching my shit because you don't deserve it.

No one cares about your silly PMVR nonsense. This platform is overrun with "creators" with overinflated and narcississtic views of their own imporrtance.

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