Passthrough changes heads-up

Sandi_SLR

Vrsumo2017 The color box is coming back, it was an oversight issue, we noticed too late.

Vrsumo2017

metaverse Hey, thank you for your comment!
By default passthrough settings are set to black color and without changing settings such as hue or saturation it wont work properly on the videos with background other then black.

Before with black backgrounds I just had to turn on the passthrough and it worked simple, it still does

But also before with non black backgrounds all I had to do is turn saturation on, and adjust the color, worked well with alot of videos, very rarely I had to fiddle with the hue or brightness, now I'm fiddling cuz the majority of scene are not black backgrounds.

Oh, and the opacity...i use to just use it to smooth out edges, now its making the models darker cus i guess its on a 1000, before a simple -1 to 99 helped smoothing the edges out if it needed it.

Also I'm getting more passthrough on bodies more now when I have to put the hue color on white and adjusting the color setting.

Mind you I'm using passthrough on cg rcg parts.

I like the chrome wheel tho, easier to find a color of a wall background if have to use it.

Before I rarely didn't use it now I'm constantly using it to find white or tan colors, "most wall colors"

I'm sure if I find a scene with a red wall it will work good.

At that point my go to prevouis easy method before the update will not work on red...then I would use the chrome color hue and brightness settings.

Now I'm using hue/brightness on every video along with the other settings 😔

Ima still mess with it, tho...I'm looking for that comfort I had before the update. 🤷‍♂️

Vrsumo2017

Found a Positive!

I notice less artifacts or ruff edges on body's and objects, but for sum reason the bodies will have spotted passthrough on them.

Like the full body will look perfect with no ruff edges but half a face or a boob will have a passthrough hole.

Vrsumo2017

I think the the chrome circle needs white, the square inside I can chose white but it could be like a white from a color group. Might need pure white 🤷‍♂️

I set the square inside the circle to white but it doesn't work well. Models start to get passthrough spots on there body the more I keep taking white out from the picture, but I do notice the edges of body's stay straight with no ruff edges, wouldn't have to use the opacity to smooth out ruff edges.

But I can see how this should work, would be simple and easy but the passthrough not working well.

Vrsumo2017

It takes colors out good but its easier to find the color I want to get out but it also will take skin color out along with the color I choose.

Does it a lot with white. 🤷‍♂️

Vrsumo2017

Positive.
Brunette hair stays black,but the models are getting passthroughd

Passthrough threw it just enough and you got floating hair 😏

Guenthalg

just wanna say thank you guys for working on this stuff. a little feedback on the update, i agree that the skin tone gets affected way more with the new algorithm. before if you created a green or blue chroma, and adjust the color range, the passthrough would remove all blues, greens, purples, blacks, greys, and whites last, before affecting skin tones. now that is not the case. It is hard to find one color that will hit all the background colors prior to affecting the skin color with the new update.

I think one approach would allow for a layered approach for the user. where you have layer 1 (i.e. remove blues), set color & color range, save. Then set layer two, remove whites, adjust color range, then save, ect

Vrsumo2017

Guenthalg i agree that the skin tone gets affected way more with the new algorithm. before if you created a green or blue chroma, and adjust the color range, the passthrough would remove all blues, greens, purples, blacks, greys, and whites last, before affecting skin tones. now that is not the case. It is hard to find one color that will hit all the background colors prior to affecting the skin color with the new update.

That's what I notice too, I tried first doing this method,
Turn on passthrough
Put brightness to max
Then adjust the color, it look like it wants to work but like u say the pass through would effect skin, especially if there's camera light on skin, like the passthrough working to hard or something.

Seems like more work to find a good passthrough

I did notice brunette hair doesn't get effected like it use to. which a pluse.

If we could keep that
The chrome wheel
And how the passthrough worked before
I'd be fine with that. 👍

Oh and i like how the bodies kinda keep a straighter edge with this new update, it's like a invisible person but the skin is passthroughd. We need skin in 😏👍

Something needs tweaking. 🤷‍♂️

Vrsumo2017

Welp, guess this my final review

I tried finding that comfort level I had with the previous version, but never did 🥺

I notice brunette hair got effect way Less, that's a pluse 👍

I noticed Bodie edges were less ruffer,, that's a pluse 👍

But the options settings take more work now to find a good passthrough, I mean you can find one, just one scene I found got a good soild pass threw, but damn that took sum time ⏲️ 👎

The passthrough I got on that video I could of easily got it with the previous version by my simple go to method for every video. I'm broken record

Turn on passthrough
Turn on saturation, didn't matter how much cus you were just basically turning it on
Then adjust color to -10 or more and slide back down till you got a decent passthrough...

Which i got on many videos with previous version with that quik method.

I was trying to find a easy method with this new version but I never found it....🤷‍♂️

Every video was like

Just messing with the settings the whole time 🤷‍♂️

Edit: I know this version supose to work good with black backgrounds, and will varie from video to video but the previous version worked good with many videos and with black backgrounds or green screen
And was faster getting into a good passthrough.

This version I can find a color fast (usually trying white walls)
But body skin gets effect when trying to get a good pass threw.

Hope this helps, 👍🥂😉

Vrsumo2017

Damnt, now i got give a example lol

https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/charitable-donations-6601

For example I'm trying to take the white background wall out, I put the chrom wheel on white and adjust the color range..

#s going down are
63
2
84
300
1000
And thats on cg rcg part.

It takes the white out good but the bodies get effected

My quik and easy method with previous versions would of worked great with this scene.

Saturation on
Color range about 6
Opacity 99

Would of been in a decent passthrough quickly. 👍🥂

Found better settings for that scene

54
67
100
339
1000
Cg rcg parts.

Bodies not effected much but still took more work to find right settings.

Previous version

Lol, would of got me there faster. 😏

ttv34

I like that trying to give us more control and the colour wheel is a good step in the right direction, but I hate these changes. Was hyped for this update and just disappointed 🙁

I had around 20 favourite videos with passthrough working very well and now after mucking around for 5-10mins on multiple clips, I can't for the life of me get anything to work - not even plain ones with pure black backgrounds like Noir scenes. Very painful and tedious, can't get anything to work like before - I have no idea what I'm doing now. Used to be able to try and get things working just by tweaking a few things.

Is there anyway for me to revert to the previous SLR app version?

Also I think the colour wheel and the whole process would be a lot better if you could:

select colour wheel
pick a colour by selecting it in the video, colour gets removed
repeat this as many times as you want for multiple colours

Is this possible?

Really pleased SLR is focusing on improving passthrough, but this feels like a step backwards @doublevr @Sandi_SLR

Vrsumo2017

ttv34 can't get anything to work like before

Lol, what is dis, i can't get jiggy with dis 😂
Guy from next Friday movie.

Guess it's back to regular no passthrough for me for now, it's to much fiddling with the settings just to find a passthrough.

Previous version was easy and faster. 🤷‍♂️

doublevr

ttv34 Sorry about that. Looking into things

Sandi_SLR

ttv34 Hey, we plan to add up to 3 colors, note that each added color drops the fps.

Hurto11

Yeah the new settings don't work at all the way they're supposed to. It's awesome they added the color wheel, but when you select the color it seems to just take out everything with it. I think if you had two color wheels that would be ideal, where you can select a color to remove....and ALSO select a color to remain unaffected by any changes. That way you can remove the background, but then select the skin tone and clothing color of the model so those don't get changed.

Ideally these setting should be figured out and applied automatically to each individual video but that's obviously a shitload of work and effort to program I'm sure. For now though, the settings need to be a little more nuanced.

Hurto11

I also think having Saturation, Color Range and Brightness is unnessecary. There should only need to be the removed color range and falloff. I think the way it is now is just super confusing and not intuitive.

Sandi_SLR

Hey folks, the feedback was heard, we are working on a solution.

vrpicasso

So am I correct in that Quest 2 with airlink or virtual desktop + DEO doesn't support passthrough modes? The app has been updated so I can see a passthrough feature now but with VD the passthrough bits just turn black. VD has no passthrough environment.

ttv34

Sandi_SLR Sounds good! Will it be like seperated, "Colour 1", "Colour 2" etc or will it be from the wheel? Found it really hard to select the dots in the colour wheel (really small), and get the colour want to target. Would love to have "click colour 1 > click a part of the video with the colour want to remove", for each colour ? Would be amazing

Sandi_SLR

We have the adjustment basically ready to go, it will be included in the next release.

It will be closer to what it was before, also we noticed falloff and color range sliders have way too much range, so we will limit it to get finer control.

As you can see this is a learning process for us, you are expected to match the color for best result and we understand using Saturation, Brightness and Hue is not intuitive to some, so we will work toward implementing the color picker, that should streamline all of this hassle we go trough now.

ttv34

Sandi_SLR Good stuff - do appreciate this is all new to everyone 😃

Maybe helpful for testing, with the previous setup I got these working well (CG and HJ)

Thanks @doublevr @Sandi_SLR

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