Only 8% of users re-watch at least 60 sec of the same videos in 2 month
rerun119 I have no clue why he’s employed tbh. Reminds me of the guy from Pervrt. Can’t control themselves. Always wants to be defensive and argue.
Horrible selection as one of the faces of SLR’s franchise.
For sites like SLR, at the end of the day, almost all users (90%+ or as noted here, 92%+) are going to be very casual. The question is how heavy users should be handled. From my own experiences, semi-heavy users are fine but if a site is based on a revshare method where the very heavy ones end up costing more in royalties than what the site makes from their subscriptions, the question of whether to keep them as a subscriber becomes paramount.
SLR's Premium offering is a blessing in that it's one fair price that includes downloads and while not totally unlimited, is still extremely generous. Still, there are going to be some very heavy users that for various reasons prefer to essentially make a local mirror of the site. I can't imagine their usage hurts SLR's bandwidth bills, but the risk of losing a lot of money off them (akin to big eaters hoarding king crab legs at a $19.95 buffet) grows everyday they remain active. There also is the risk that a very small subset of these users may be passionately downloading for more nefarious reasons.
My advice for the very small number of users who may be affected by SLR's fair use download policy is instead of downloading anything and everything, to first stream movies of interest and then decide if this is something you'd like to have locally.
Natch Per JAV and piracy, I agree it's a terrible issue that stems from most established studios still operating as "we shoot content and let others distribute so leave us alone!" mindset. Sadly, they don't realize that as copyright holders, they are the only entities that have the immediate legal might to successfully patrol for illegally uploaded content. What hurts even more is when some do try, they always forget to DMCA Google which should be step 1 in any takedown procedure (Google's Takedown History page when it comes to JAV is a barren wasteland outside of Dreamroom whom as you probably know is more of a western company that caters to Japanese).
It doubly hurts that along with such a buried-head-in-and approach to piracy, many are strict with ensuring DRM or no download ability remains active. I believe with enough pushing, opening up downloads for older content would be possible, but even that remains a very uphill battle since SLR has so much of it.
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Why are you trying to convince us with cherry picked statistics? You've already seen on Reddit what happens when you piss off opinion leaders. All of your posts get downvoted and even if someone else recommends SLR, they get downvoted too.
You hurt your business by forcing your opinion on people, and even if the mainstream doesn't care, even those will listen to those opinion leaders, and you hurt your business by pushing your personal agenda. Even some of your employees use SLR in a way you don't like (downloads, XBVR, Heresphere), but they are not allowed to talk about it.
And I don't even have a problem with your character - on the contrary, at least I know where things stand with you. I prefer that to a PR guy or a cautious employee who just beats around the bush when the end result is the same. My disapproval is not directed against your person, but against your business decisions.
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If yall do go streaming only, will yall add more sites like all czechvr sites, badoink, vrcosplay, naughty america, bang bros vr, virtual taboo, darkroomvr, wetvr?
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Vrsumo2017 CVR and NA not very likely interested in such a partnership. I have no proof of that, but I’d still bet all in on it.
What I’d give for opportunity for lifetime subs on those two sites.
argyle43 CVR and NA
cvr has great scenes! I was going threw a few recent trailers and omg! 
And NA has been releasing pertty good scenes with good camera work since they switch to 8k, but I only sampled their trailers so I don't know how good the 8k looks.
Vrsumo2017 I don't know how good the 8k looks
I’ve not been happy with NA’s 8K. It got much blurrier on my midrange Quest2 headset. Their scale has been consistent though. I will say the scenes are slowly getting clearer. Hopefully all the studios work out this confounded Canon rig soon. CVR is always flawless. They just need to get their casting game back on.
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ZENRA The question is how heavy users should be handled. From my own experiences, semi-heavy users are fine but if a site is based on a revshare method where the very heavy ones end up costing more in royalties than what the site makes from their subscriptions, the question of whether to keep them as a subscriber becomes paramount.
That's why discriminatory pricing exists.
- You only want to stream content? Ok, pay us amount Y/month (maybe less than today but with no downloads)
- You want to download high quality files? Ok, pay us amount X/month (maybe a bit more than today but for better quality, bitrates and stuff!)
Others big sites like ZZ have been doing that exact things for years now for a good reason...
Reality is that most enthusiats are willing to pay good money for the best quality and downloads while many casuals don't want to pay extra for such things like downloads and are happy with mediocre streams on mediocre hardware.
More options for the customers. A bigger chance to make everyone happy and to increase the customer base while keeping the existing customers happy. Personally, I'd like such a solution for sure.
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Vrsumo2017 whatever the perks of only streaming applies there is still one issue: people share internet and that is why they download. To pusha streaming only agenda finger points, streaming problems to the user. I paid my membership knowing to having the option of download.
If the site did a stream only option I wouldn't have payed my membership. If it all comes down to converting the site to stream only 2 predictions: all shared internet users will leave. All ex members will spread bad word of mouth.
If losing customers is the objective of a business boss, cause of a boss vs the public opinion. I don't think I am wrong here ready your perk ideas.
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agree with lordcrash. have a membership "addon" where you pay extra.. on top of the regular sub.. to have less limitations (eg a higher download limit) or alternatively higher pricing tiers for subscriptions. that way enthusiast/heavy users who download can consume all the porn they want without feeling limited and slr isnt paying more in revenue share than they earn from those users. its a win-win.
casual users dont care but forcing the enthusiast users to use slr in a particular way or imposing ever stricter limits is clearly not popular. it doesnt have to be that way.
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spacepirate Also, paying less revenue share ( by eliminating heavy users and downloads) would make the major studios less interested in offering their content on SLR.
For them, the only thing that matters is what they get from SLR at the end of the month, and how many users are less likely to opt for a direct subscription to the studio's site in return.
Studios/Networks like C and B already arrived at the conclusion that it is more profitable to sell directly to end users, without a middleman. W has set up its own aggregator website. V is using a compromise with a 4 month delay, but if revenue share drops - if that is the goal of download reduction - they will think about offering V+C themselves.
Or SLR would have to increase revenue share and would be back to the old net result. This is more complex than simply increasing the profit by reducing the revenue share by pushing out the heavy users. If you change one variable in an ecosystem, you don't just get one singular result, but the whole ecosystem reorders itself, becomes unstable in extreme cases, and leads to a new state that is not easily predictable.
As a market leader, you should actually be interested in keeping the system as stable as possible in order to maintain your position as long as possible and optimizing it with very small tweaks only.
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someoneX > yours is another helpful post with a ton of context few of us likely have factored into our thinking. And of course SLR really isn’t at liberty to discuss any of this in detail. I see and now agree this is a lot more complicated than I had realized. I see too that I owe @doublevr and @Rakly3 an apology for a number of my uninformed assumptions yesterday. Rakly did say that there’s much more to this than fighting download abuse, and I was a bit of a dick in response. I’m sorry both of you - I’ll be backing away from this discussion, and am going to go enjoy one of my downloads instead. Though I do still maintain the statistics and charts aren’t helpful to the convo. Thanks for your post @someoneX
How about something different entirely with downloads?
For example :
Option 1 -
Day 1 you can download 1 file, Day 2 you can download 2 files.... and so on. If you stop downloading, the number resets to 1.
This means that people who download regularly are not impacted since after a month they can download more files than are even being produced, going back into the back catalog. Yet the people who pay for a 7 day subscription cannot choke the servers and do a smash-and-grab
Option 2 -
Netflix and other big streamers offer downloads for offline viewing, which eventually expire. This means you can have people download at high quality if they want, but you doing lose control over your content
Option 3 -
Issue people "download tokens" based on their membership level and let them download what they want, but obviously in reasonable quantities
This is what I came up with in 5 minutes.... I am sure there are 50 other options to look at and propose, vs. just going down to a stream-only platform. After all, if you genuinely are only planning on offering streaming, what is the point of investing in these high fidelity recordings and associated high end equipment?
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Download limits are fine as they're. The whole 98 percent stream graph from doublevr, actuallys shows there is no download abuse. If the data says nobody hardly downloads, then this isn't about abuse but still an opinion.
In the business world you cater for customers or you don't. The ecosystem of pornsite customers: has 2 types of customers as one sharing the internet (can't stream) and the other people that have gigabyte of no share internet or are just rich with internet giga use. Not confusing or some idea of complicated knowledge.
If you squeeze the download allowence or stream only: then that screws the household internet share users and/or the low budget limited internet users. Not everyone is blessed with 'good internet' so that is your ecosystem.
If you don't mind losing customers that have shared internet or low internet data allowence - then so be it. Are you guys serious comtemplating finger pointing the shared internet users and low internet allowence users?
Pull the plug and see if you don't lose the customers that have not good internet.
Not sure if this has been mentioned but streaming is only done in DeoVR but a lot of people (including me) use a different player for downloads exclusively. That makes statistics that compare downloads vs streaming on DeoVR only pretty skewed.