Support Ukrainian troops fighting for ours and yours FREEDOM!

BlueSky3290

"How are you any different than Putin?"

Putin is murdering women, little kids, and babies. That's a massive difference!!!

BlueSky3290

" Putin's verbal vomit even says they are the same people.

They are, we are all humans on planet earth in the solar system somewhere in the milky way of our universe.
Nationalities are just artificial "classifications" of human beings."

Putin does not suggest others are the same people as his, like black people. He wants to own ukrainians, doesn't believe it's a real country. He thinks the Nazis have taken over Ukraine and is run by drug addicts. Putin literally said this to all Russian people, with a significant amount of them too stupid to know they are lies.

doublevr

RandomGuy4567 We are not punishing anyone. We just don't want to be a part of russian economy. Every dollar we send to russia converts into bombs for civilians and cyber warfare. My and your homes could be next

Darkpri

doublevr
So, i suppose you're region blocking the acces to the site from russia and find and block any russian user account on the site. Or is this site partially financed from an authoritarian country that kills children? See what I've done? C'mon...

Reducing everything to "every russian connection is bad" only shows the lack of sympathy and knowledge about this problem.

Banning russian models it's a bad idea in my opinion. They're trying to do his job, nothing more. This just shows, once again, the discriminatory treatment the models suffer.

I really hope this can be rectified and common sense wins.

And fuck Putin!

justsomedude101

All my personal opinion:

I can appreciate that there is a lot of passion about this topic, and I'm genuinely glad that we all are fortunate enough to live in societies where we can even have discussions like this openly. Some are not so fortunate- as we're typing these opinions out, Putin and his regime are tightening down on the already limited freedom of speech in Russia. I believe it's up to 15 years in prison now for telling the truth, the factual & tangible reality, about what Russian forces are doing in Ukraine (for example the maternity hospital they bombed today) - so as individuals we should not take it for granted.

As doublevr said, a conscious choice was made to no longer be a part of the Russian economy. This is the same choice made by hundreds of companies around the world.

By choosing not to operate within Russia, it denies Russia funds flowing into the country, some portion of which would either directly or indirectly end up in the hands of Putin's government, which in turn would be paying for the war crimes that are now being committed in Ukraine. No one is arguing that the girls and those affected by this decision were going to walk up to Putin and hand him their tip money, but that's exactly where at least some of that money would ultimately go, because that is how national economies work. Period.

I don't think anyone here is expecting this decision to single-handedly end Putin's invasion and war in Ukraine. But continuing to operate "as normal" has zero positive impacts on the millions currently suffering in Ukraine. None.

However- stopping all moneys from entering Russia could have a positive impact by starving the regime of the funds it needs to continue this war (as well depriving it of the ability to pay for future wars), and potentially creating enough unrest among the Russian people that they start to push back on their government. Which, for those of us old enough to remember, was one of the main contributors to the independence of many former Eastern Bloc countries as well as main contributors to the dissolution of the original USSR, which is exactly what Putin and his regime are trying to revivify.

/end rant

Busbear

It will probably surprise one or two people now.

The Russian girls get a maximum of a quarter of the money you pay.
The rest goes to the website and to the operators of the big studios, especially in the big Russian cities.
So... if you pay 100 EUR for sexual services to a girl, and you think you are doing something "good" for the girls, you must know that 75 EUR of that money goes into the pockets of very rich Russians.

Does this system sound familiar to you?
Exactly! Every pimp and hourly hotel works on the same principle!

It's a very bad business.

doublevr

Busbear That is true to some degree. Otherwise performers are making 50% from every dollar spent.

M-BC

Busbear It surprises less of us than you might think since some of us have been users, moderators and friends to the women in this industry for a long time. Furthermore, nuance is important, and the ratio you're quoting is inaccurate and can not be extrapolated for every studio or every site in the industry (not even mentioning the women that are independent). It's also very unwise to cite actual locations of performers and it borders on malevolent behavior. I guess because these are Russian women all bets are off. Burn them at the stake?

ibins

It will probably surprise one or two people now.

It will probably surprise one or two but not every Russian camgirl/pornstar is actually living/working in Russia.

Busbear

M-BC the ratio you're quoting is inaccurate and can not be extrapolated for every studio

Yes... it is. There are also studios and sites which take more.

M-BC It's also very unwise to cite actual locations of performers

I don't know where the performers on this site work. However, it is no secret that the city I mentioned is the Russian cam capital. (PS: I edited and erased the name in the first posting....)

M-BC I guess because these are Russian women all bets are off. Burn them at the stake?

I did not say this with one word....
Just because some VR Cams are not working on all sites none of the girls will starve!
But maybe... the studios will "feel" it!

Busbear

If today would be the 23.02.22 i would be 100% with you!
I have a lot of friends in russia and i always try to understand different views.
Some friends of mine even joked during this time that i am a secret Putin friend.
And yes. I still think it is very important not to cut every connection!

But now the Putin Regime bombs a free country in the middle of Europe!
Ordinary People looses their life, they're health and they home!
And hard sanctions are a way to help without risking a 3. world war!

And again.... the girls will find their way around.... Its just one VR site for them...
But the Studios and their financiers will "feel" it much more...

ibins

Just because some VR Cams are not working on all sites none of the girls will starve!

They won´t, because not every cam site will be as stubborn and punish everything just because it is russian

doublevr

ibins we are taking action on those operating from Russia

ibins

But now the Putin Regime bombs a free country in the middle of Europe!

Ukraine has the "title" being the one of the most corrupt countries in Europe, so it is not exactly a "free" country as well.

Ordinary People looses their life, they're health and they home!

Russians also lose their sons, husbands and brothers.

And hard sanctions are a way to help without risking a 3. world war!

Honestly the best way to avoid WW3 would be giving Putin what he wants, but this of course would mean sacrificing Ukraine to Russia. This is also the reason why NATO does not intervene for now, because if they do WW3 is inevitable, and this is also the reason Putin is doing what he does. He knows his country has no chance against the NATO, but he also knows nobody wants to risk WW3.

Darkpri

Busbear I would be ashamed to think like that and tell my Russian friends to their faces that I don't give a shit if they lose their jobs, their only way of making a living.
Desensitizing, dehumanizing "the enemy" makes you a villain too. No matter how good your intentions are for the greater good.

And, again, support initiatives that help Ukrainians, donate to those defending themselves from atrocious attacks, promote dialogue, impose sanctions on Putin's government, INFORM yourself well on both sides. That is good.
But wanting to boycott some without caring about the human side of those who suffer the consequences of those acts is something I will never tolerate.

The Russian people are not to blame for this war.
These models, girls. Like you and me they must have a very normal life. Their week consists of going from home to work and back home. Maybe they are worried because they like a boy, their mother is sick or they miss their friends because they had to move to another city alone. Like you and me.
And from anonymity you tell them to fuck off, that they don't matter. That this happens because it is Putin who governs their country.
And that the studio bosses are financing the war. Without proof, by the way.

I'm sorry, but no.

PD: And what happens in Ucraine is faaaar worse, of course! Absolutely. horrible. And i will help however i can.

ibins

And what will you do if they use VPN?

BlueSky3290

"Honestly the best way to avoid WW3 would be giving Putin what he wants"

So Russia, in addition to already killing countless women and little kids, bombs a maternity and children's hospital, and you want Ukraine to surrender to them. Russia is literally a terrorist state. Your comment is disgusting.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60675599

BlueSky3290

ibins Russians also lose their sons, husbands and brothers.

Because they are war criminals and terrorists. Purposely attacking women and children is pure evil. Russian troops have a choice. They can lay down their weapons and surrender. There are reports that some have done this, including purposely damaging their tanks.

Those who refuse to commit war crimes and murder, and surrender, they have my respect. It would be better if they killed their commanding officers though.

Any Russian forces in Ukraine that continue to fight, are pure evil. It's as simple as that. They have a choice, be evil or be a decent human being and surrender.

Busbear

Darkpri
Of cause sanctions must hurt.... if they do not hurt they make no sense...
Thats exactly the reason i feel sad for my Russian friends... but even they now, that this is the only way to change the public opinion about Putin.
And again... because nobody seems to read this.... Yes the girls will lose some money, but they will not starve.
The main goal are the studios.... and when you really like how they treat the girls... we can stop talking here.

Last thing.... you seem to be an empatic guy.... but where is your empathy with the guys of SLR that are in real fear of loosing relatives and friends???

Darkpri

Busbear "PD: And what happens in Ucraine is faaaar worse, of course! Absolutely. horrible. And i will help however i can."

This includes slr staff that is suffering. So yeah, here's my empathy.

You get my point, i get yours. I think we won't agree. I think punishing ones because of others and blaming all Russians it's wrong. I still think models should be allowed to work.

If any model is reading this: You matter.

Love and peace.

RandomGuy4567

Busbear Yes the girls will lose some money, but they will not starve.
The main goal are the studios....

What's the goal of trying to hurt the studios exactly? It's not like they are contributing to the war or going to complain or stand up against their government... I think we all know that in Russia this kind of work isn't the most accepted by the authorities. There's no way the "bosses" are going to risk losing their operation altogether by rubbing their government the wrong way.

As for the girls losing money, yes, SLR is only a part of their income. What happens when other platforms feel pressured to do the same because another platform did? Many of these girls started doing this kind of work for reasons "we" tend to ignore... You guys really feel comfortable taking the thing that let them have a more "normal" life away from them?

ibins

So Russia, in addition to already killing countless women and little kids, bombs a maternity and children's hospital,

Which never would have happened if Ukraine had surrendered the first day of war.

and you want Ukraine to surrender to them.

I never said I wanted it. I just stated the obvious that this would be the best for the rest of the world, and actually short term even for Ukraine themself the more they fight back the longer the bloodshed is going on, and even if they accomplish to fight back Russia completely they would end in a completely destroyed country.

In long term it would mean that Ukraine would convert from one of the most corrupt so called democracies part of a more or less open dictatorship. So yeah it is fully understandable that Ukrainians do not want that, and want to fight back, even if this means that this destroys their country for at least one generation, just from the hope that the next generation will have a better life then being part of Russia.
And yes I support the Ukrainians fighting back, but this does not mean I can not see that them doing so is not just an extreme risk for them but also the entire world.

Russia is literally a terrorist state.

Terrorism is just a fiction ironically created by western propaganda to justify surveillance measurements and of course wars. It justified many wars the US started, Assad is using it to justify the war against his own people, and yes even Putin is justifying his attack on Ukraine by claiming that they are a country in the hand of terrorists.
Sounds similar? Well this is just the same how USA is justifying basically any war they start. Every country, or at least their governments, think the way they live is the right thing, and all the others that want to live a different way are terrorists.

There are murderers, rapists and many other heavy criminals in this world. But there are no terrorists, they only have been created because in western democracies people would actually go on the streets against many of their governments actions if it would be just against "criminals" and not so called terrorists.

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