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  • Plz do not kill DLNA , think about adding SMB!

Rakly3 To be fair, streaming only platforms are today among the biggest companies in the tech industry. Most people can name you 5 or more off the top of their head without googling.

Your talking about sites that stream a max of 4k across a 2d screen? We're talking about 3d 6K-8K videos? You need high end fiber web to consistently stream videos and scripts and not have drops..? Their is not even infrastructural majority or a precedent yet on this kinda of streaming tech.. Most people don't, can't, or are able to get that nor should you be forced to even if you can smh it's porn not rocket science

Rakly3 And of the ppl whom download, it are largly people whom download as much they can for as little spending they can.

I spent $1000 for a lifetime sub to download scripts/videos and occasionally stream.. I don't think that's spending "as little as I can"

Always been a huge supporter of SLR both here and on socials. But going off what's happened to videos and sign up terms being altered under the radar recently. Added with the comments here by staff and Reddit SLR has apparently become very shady.

        dexter313

        I spent $1000 for a lifetime sub to download scripts/videos and occasionally stream.. I don't think that's spending "as little as I can"

        Then I was obviously not talking about you. ;-) - I said OF the people whom download, most of them are ...
        This is not explosively for SLR ofc, this is true for all studios.

          I'd be interested to know what percentage of members are based in the US.

          Internet speeds and lack of ISP competition is definitely a very real issue here outside of the metro areas- just a hunch but I would be curious to know if "downloaders vs streamers" as a % is higher in the US because of the generally shittier internet speeds. And as a result whether US members are going to be more affected by a drop in DLNA support. I know that's a huge part of why I prefer to download, even having "COX Gigabit Fuck You Pay Us" levels of internet I still have issues streaming from time to time.

            Rakly3 How is forcing the use a clunky web browser of solace to anyone? DLNA is a much better solution for local media streaming.

            Rakly3 Reading between the lines, this looks like an attempt to force customers into streaming and consequently maintaining an active subscription.

            I feel like that will backfire massively because you are underestimating just how many customers or potential customers around the world have bad internet connections that are not suitable for smooth streaming of 8K or even lower resolutions. Even with a connection that is fast enough, but not super fast, the experience could still suck. Other devices in a household may be cutting into some of that bandwidth (e.g. if someone else were streaming Netflix at the same time), causing pauses from buffer underruns. Seeking through a video will be slow all the time anyway because of the latency and buffering involved. None of that is an issue when users are able to download and stream locally.

            For many the removal of DLNA would be a big downgrade at best or straight up unusable at worst.

                  spacepirate

                  How is forcing the use a clunky web browser of solace to anyone? DLNA is a much better solution for local media streaming.

                  It's just like using SLR site with DeoVR. Not a web-browser.

                  Reading between the lines

                  You don't need to read between the lines for that. SLR markets itself as a streaming platform.

                  you are underestimating just how many customers or potential customers around the world have bad internet connections that are not suitable for smooth streaming of 8K or even lower

                  It's not like downloads have been taken away. With 30 downloads per 72h you can still download more than the whole library of any other studio. it's roughly 900 downloads per month. If we put no limit on the downloads, we'd be bankrupt. People whom download a lot is a net loss on income. Massive bandwidth costs with next to no income. Having subscriptions is how all streaming platforms work as otherwise they couldn't exist.

                  BTW, I'm not yelling or fighting with you guys, just trying to explain.
                  Also, running a bit ahead of the facts, As time progresses and VR becomes more and more mainstream, the content delivery and hosting will improve, there already are encoding techniques to make the files even smaller, or same size with better quality. The current hardware is just not powerful enough yet.

                      justsomedude101

                      affected by a drop in DLNA support.

                      This is what I've been trying to say. You don't really need DLNA to use your downloaded content over your home network with SLR/DeoVR.
                      DLNA is a protocol. As is HTML
                      DeoVR will always support HTML or the app is useless otherwise. Instead of setting up a DLNA server, you can set up a HTML webhost. - To be clear, I'm not talking about using a web-browser, this still works with DeoVR/SLR as you are used to.

                          Rakly3 I feel somewhat relief after hearing this as I can never stream without stuttering.I would be very grateful if you could demonstrate how to set up a HTML webhost for this purpose (in detail as I am unfortunately not at all technically minded,sorry).

                            As a DeoVR product owner DLNA is my major concern.

                            We get multiple support requests that DLNA is not working properly that often follows with negative app reviews. In most cases we are not able to replicate any such issue. Because we rely on unique setup of each user so badly we are not able to make it work for everyone even if we would go for it.

                            Every day DLNA generates us support requests and negative reviews we are not able to address. We are experiencing a terrible staff shortage that makes it stressful for everyone and it only gets worse over time.

                            I feel all the frustration and I would like to keep the feature if there would be a chance for it. Please understand it's not sustainable for us any longer.

                              Rakly3 It's just like using SLR site with DeoVR. Not a web-browser.

                              How?

                              Unless I'm missing something, you would still need to use the built-in browser to browse a web page. That is clunky compared to the current DLNA experience. You can only get the nicer SLR-style native interface if your HTTP server hosts a JSON file using DeoVR's custom manifest format, which almost no software supports.

                              That means a customer, who just wants to watch their porn, is forced set up a HTTP server and to write software to build a JSON file with the correct content and DeoVR format. I don't understand how you think this is an adequate replacement for DLNA which is simple to set up, supported by plenty of 3rd party software and just works.

                              Rakly3 It's not like downloads have been taken away. With 30 downloads per 72h you can still download more than the whole library of any other studio. it's roughly 900 downloads per month. If we put no limit on the downloads, we'd be bankrupt. People whom download a lot is a net loss on income. Massive bandwidth costs with next to no income. Having subscriptions is how all streaming platforms work as otherwise they couldn't exist.

                              Going forward, are downloads going to remain even for newly released scenes? With streaming being pushed so heavily there is a legitimate concern that things will become streaming only. Any clarification here would be appreciated.

                              It's totally reasonable for SLR to have the download limit to prevent abuse by the minority who go crazy with downloads and I have no problem with that.

                              BTW, I'm not yelling or fighting with you guys, just trying to explain.

                              The problem is that no one from SLR has given any satisfactory justification for why a perfectly good feature, that many users are dependent on, is going to be removed from the app. Can you please explain? EDIT: Nevermind, Aesthetics explained

                                    Aesthetics Instead of taking the drastic step of removing DLNA, why don't you reduce the number of ways that people can shoot themselves in the foot?

                                    At the moment everyone is rolling their own DLNA solution using different approaches, different software, different configuration. Add on top of that the fact that many people don't understand anything about this stuff or how to troubleshoot issues and it's a recipe the trouble.

                                    To fix this you could publish a DLNA setup guide that explains one or two proven, reliable, supported ways to set it up (e.g. Windows and a Mac version with step by step instructions and images). Even better if it's accessible from within the app so that people can immediately find help when they encounter difficulty.

                                    Makes no sense to drastically reduce the usefulness of your app and enrage many otherwise happy users over something like this.

                                      Rakly3

                                      We spend $$$ on ultra high definition too! This isnt an issue in netflix because the content is story driven rather than "realism" driven. You are a different product.

                                      If you disable downloads, we simply will never get the opportunity to view videos at those levels of clarity because streaming (for me anyway) doesnt support that kind of bandwidth

                                      You might as well save some money recording the videos in the first place and make them shit quality

                                        spacepirate

                                        spacepirate The problem is that no one from SLR has given any satisfactory justification for why a perfectly good feature, that many users are dependent on, is going to be removed from the app. Can you please explain? EDIT: Nevermind, Aesthetics explained

                                        It has been explained a few posts earlier - SLR wants to avoid someone getting a one month membership, downloading everything, and then never paying another monthly fee. I can see why they are trying to stop "potential revenue" leakage. But by the same token SLR should also quickly phase out lifetime or yearly membership, because those also allow customers to avoid the expensive monthly renewals which are obviously so critical to SLR cash flow

                                        Alternatively, if you think downloads are acceptable with a yearly or lifetime subscription, but not with a monthly subscrption - why not simply change the monthly subscription so it doesnt allow downloads?

                                              Rakly3 Might be worth considering a stickied walkthrough of how to set up and use HTML for network streaming rather than DLNA. I'm not experienced with HTML, but if it does indeed allow for the same level of functionality/etc. as DLNA, sounds like most dudes are not aware of it being an exchangeable option and would probably benefit from a guide of some sort.

                                                  Rob5en Specially when there is no other player who supports 200 degi vids if im correct.

                                                  Try HeresphereVR (via Steam VR). There is no native Oculus version available yet but you can at least try the PC version with sideloading in Steam VR. The developer said he will focus on the Oculus version once "the pc version is in a good spot".

                                                  HeresphereVR is even in early access much, much better than DeoVR already and yes, it supports fisheye videos, it's actually one of the reasons why it was developed in the first place. Newcomers might be a bit overwhelmed with the amount of options HeresphereVR offers but even in the "standard" mode it offers a smoother experience than DeoVR - and even a better picture (sharpness/colors/etc). It's also not a corporate product but a work of passion by a very dedicated and community-friendly developer who always tries to innovate and to include requested features.

                                                  I think once HeresphereVR gets a full native Oculus version DeoVR will be pretty dead, at least for the dedicated fanbase (to which I count probably 99% of the people in this thread).