Plz do not kill DLNA , think about adding SMB!

dexter313

doublevr I don't feel bad about letting it go.

Wow that's a huge fuck you to loyal paying premium+ subs.. You know like me? Well then who do I contact to get a refund for my premium+ portion? As I will be unable to play the monthly 3 downloaded local scripts I have purchased as part of my premium package. Not all people can just stream. This is super anti consumer and your fup to get rid of a key feature advertised to be part of the premium package after purchasing a sub.. Bait and switch.

argyle43

dexter313 Not all people can just stream.

Dexter makes an excellent point. I can stream where I live, but where I vacation where we have a lake house, the Internet is not fast enough to allow it. At these times I have to let a scene download for hours in order to enjoy it without halting or freezing up, and I bring a laptop, external disk with my best content and I absolutely rely on DLNA. SLRO 200 deg content only plays through DeoVR or SLR app. The other players like Skybox or Pigasus badly distort your original content. So how then are the bandwidth and speed challenged supposed to watch yours and other saved content if you remove this? Please listen to your community on this. Please think it through.

doublevr

argyle43 SLRO 200 deg content only plays through DeoVR or SLR app.

Not a single player inquired about getting these meshes.

mgbgt35

Inspite of the fact that my download speed is around 70MBPS,I always get frozen picture when I stream.The ONLY WAY I can enjoy the videos un-interupted is by DLNA with DEOVr.

doublevr

mgbgt35 what's your headset?

@Rakly3 let's investigate that?

doublevr

argyle43 that really is a middle finger to the community

It's not. Not sure why would you put it this way. We are committed to community and I don't know anyone else so much invested in making things happen.

Yet DLNA is something that doesn't fit our vision. Not that we are against about it, it's not something we want to be a part of.

argyle43

doublevr I don’t mean disrespect. If you read through both of my posts and others you’ll see why this decision will be a devastating one. I hope you’re open to hearing us, or will offer a solution. Again, how are those with bandwidth caps and slower internet speeds supposed to consume content if DLNA is removed and downloaded content cannot be accessed? How are we supposed to watch your originals that are only compatible with your proprietary players when streaming is not available or an option at all?

dexter313

doublevr We are committed to community

Obviously false if this is the future of SLR. Or your just ignorant to the importance of the dlna feature itself. You don't know how vital dlna is to Q2 and VR users who want to keep a physical copy of media they purchased through your site. DLNA on deo is the only option to play downloaded scripts and scenes on Quest 2.. Streaming does not work for everyone in all areas. People pay and were offered to sub to download a physical copy of your scene and scripts.. Especially after this giant purge and editing of content recently why wouldn't people download videos SLR might delete or alter in the future.. When I signed up the key feature that made me buy into the premium+ was the ability to download videos and keep 3 scripts monthly as described by your own terms and fup.. You can't just alter your sign on terms willy nilly and expect happy compliance from the consumer.. I didn't make a fuss or look to pursue a case for a refund when you shadily changed your sign on terms from 50 downloads in 72 hours to 30.. But I will pursue a case for breach and be refunded in full if you follow through on this. Do not drop dlna.

mgbgt35

doublevr Quest2

doublevr

argyle43 That's a very good point where we have to decide if we want to pursue the innovation or making DLNA folks happy.

Kinda reminds me when Apple abandoned floopy disks, CD Roms and USB 2 ports.

To really enjoy VR you need a good headset and a good internet. We are discontinuing Cardboards for that reason as these have no chance in 2022. Also there is no other way around in the long term than look for better streaming options. I never had to use DLNA in my life.

argyle43

doublevr but the difference here is that oftentimes the lifeblood of streaming, ie actual Internet, is not fast enough, not generous enough, or sometimes just not available at all. DLNA has always allowed me to get my fap on even if Comcast goes down, and Comcast often goes down!!

argyle43

doublevr I never had to use DLNA in my life.

A lot of people live in areas with subpar service. You can’t expect people to just up and move. Or start picketing their local providers to revamp the infrastructure because they need a wank. Never going to work. I think you’ll be surprised how many people you’ll be impacting here.

We’ve gone beyond simple DLNA here. Now we’re talking about download ability itself. Streaming will never be a universal ability until the planet is blanketed with geosynchronous satellites providing affordable consistent and fast service. Don’t see that happening anytime soon.

argyle43

doublevr To really enjoy VR you need a good headset

You haven’t heard from everyone on this yet. I know people with the very best headsets, Pimax and others, that avoid online streaming because the quality is far better downloading and streaming on their local network… via DLNA or similar.

doublevr

argyle43 Poor internet speed is a fundamental challenge of the whole streaming industry. Especially for heavy bandwidth VR.

I'm really surprised many people find themselves in such a situation. I bet all over Europe you get 100Mbps as least default, while normally it's around 1Gbps now.

Definitely something to think about. On the other hand it's imminent for VR to rely on good connection. DLNA isn't really fixing it, but it's a way around.

Rakly3

dexter313 I just would like to throw some solace in the mix. HTTP streaming will still work. It's real easy to set this up and many many apps available to do this. Or even write your own. - I personally do local/home network streaming all the time with DeoVR and without using DLNA.

I just can not suggest you 3rd party tools or apps in case you suffer data loss or damages.

argyle43

doublevr bet all over Europe you get 100Mbps

This is not the case in many rural parts of the United States. I think you’ll find that you have more subscribers that do not enjoy the bandwidth speeds you mention, than actually do. Unlimited 100Mbps+ service is not as common as you might think.

Anyway, I’m now just repeating my points so I’ll let others weigh in. @doublevr, I appreciate that you stay engaged in this forum and respectfully ask that you be open to the many protests you’re going to see when others become aware of this thread and the potential direction you’re considering here.

midorijin

doublevr For info, the fiber is not deployed on 100% of each European territory, and even in the countries where it is well developed, there is still a huge share of customers still with simple copper adsl subscription.

It's not because the fiber is deployed that everyone has to have a subscription.

doublevr

argyle43 Ultimately we are not able to provide experience we are looking for without a good internet. And it's not DLNA related

That's the real problem and I have no solution for it

aviator

You could just say flat out that in the future you're planning to be a streaming service only. Let me guess, you cant DL the scenes soon neither, or you'll have to buy them individually in order to do so? I'm sorry, but the tech isnt even close to being there yet, so the only thing you'll be doing is losing customers.

Also your own experience of never using dlna is not the customer research you may think it is. It's good to have visions and so on, but I think all youre doing is pissing of the existing customers with this.

doublevr

aviator Downloads are not going anywhere

MikeOxmall

No renewal for me. Support always blames the customers ISP yet I can max out my gigabit connection with many other subs, only SLR struggles to keep up. SLR get a better rep, this doublevr dude is a moron and doing so much brand damage. Just check out reddit.

aviator

doublevr Glad to hear

argyle43

doublevr Downloads are not going anywhere

Yet downloading and DLNA pretty much go hand in hand. Like milk and cookies, peas and carrots, Blake Blossom and Melody Marks.

doublevr

midorijin Just like back in the days there were people using floppy disks, CD Roms and USBs. It's not gone yet, but we won't be able to cater everyone. It's a two way street.

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